The big difference I see here is this, the speakers on college campuses and the posts on social media are optional. You can choose to attend or follow those events/posts. Teachers and curriculums are not optional. Those students, professors and outsiders that show up at these on campus events to protest speakers in an effort (usually successfully) to shut down free speech have the option to just not attend the event. Students in classrooms that are presented with a curriculum can not opt out. As we have seen in some of these cases the curriculum is being hidden from parents. That in particular raises red flags for me.

As I said afaik. She may have known and chosen not to ask. That wouldn't really surprise me. If those forms were dependent on my siblings and I bringing them home from school she likely never saw them. We were latchkey kids. She was gone to work before we woke up and didn't get home until we were home from school. The schools never saw my mom's signature on anything. We learned early to forge her name rather than get in trouble at school for not remembering to get forms signed the night before 🙂.

No, welfare is not the ONLY cause. It certainly played a big part. I do think it is odd that there was no mention from our (3 siblings + me) PS that we qualified for free lunch. The pediatrician's office surely knew about our situation and that we qualified for welfare/food stamps etc. and afaik never suggested to mom to apply. I do recall my mom helping another single mom (CNA who obviously made less $ than mom) who was told she did not qualify for food stamps after she did request them. This woman had 3 kids and had taken in her elderly parents as well.

The Welfare system's "man in the house" rule certainly played a part in setting up this family dynamic. https://ifstudies.org/blog/family-breakdown-and-americas-welfare-system From 1890 to 1950, black women had a higher marriage rate than white women. And in 1950, just 9% of black children lived without their father. By 1960, the black marriage rate had declined but remained close to the white marriage rate. In other words, despite open racism and widespread poverty, strong black families used to be the norm. But by the mid-1980s, black fatherlessness skyrocketed. Today, only 44% of black children have a father in the home. In unison, the rate of black out-of-wedlock births went from 24.5% in 1964 to 70.7% by 1994, roughly where it stands today. One contributor to family breakdown, which soon spread to the poor and working-class white family, may have been welfare expansion. Cash welfare in meager form existed since 1935,4 and some welfare expansion took place during the Kennedy administration. But under Johnson’s Great Society, which began in 1964, benefits became substantially more generous and came under greater control of the federal government. In the words of Harvard’s Paul Peterson, “some programs actively discouraged marriage,” because “welfare assistance went to mothers so long as no male was boarding in the household… Marriage to an employed male, even one earning the minimum wage, placed at risk a mother’s economic well-being.” Infamous “man in the house” rules meant that welfare workers would randomly appear in homes to check and see if the mother was accurately reporting her family-status. The benefits available were extremely generous. According to Peterson, it was “estimated that in 1975 a household head would have to earn $20,000 a year to have more resources than what could be obtained from Great Society programs.” In today’s dollars, that’s over $90,000 per year in earnings. I was raised by a single mother during this time period who worked as an LPN and never made more than $13k/yr. Under these rules we qualified but never received a penny of welfare/free lunch/food stamps or any other government assistance. My mom has already passed away, but I do wonder if she was ever offered any of this assistance as a single white mom. I sure never heard any mention of it.

Paraphrasing from the video, "If you believe in kids and teach them to believe in themselves they will rise to the occasion and succeed." IMO, that's the secret sauce no matter gender, race, or sex! This starts at home with the parents. I realize not every kid gets that from their parents. Having the schools do a better job of this rather than studying the wheel of privileges' or focusing on our perceived differences based on race seems likely to bring about a better outcome for all kids.

The following websites may be of interest to some on this thread. http:// manningvbsb.com/ Vicky Manning serves in the At Large seat on the Virginia Beach School Board Her posting (with embedded links for groups she addresses) below may be of interest to some. http://www.manningvbsb.com/blog/praising-marxism-virginia-inquiry-collaborative-virginia-beach-schools-joins-6-other-schools-across-the-state-to-rewrite-va-history-curriculum https://defendinged.org/ https://noleftturn.us/about-us/ This group brought the lawsuit previously mentioned in this thread representing Gabrielle Clark and her son William in Nevada. Nicole Solas (from RI) school board apparently discussed suing her for requesting documents pertaining to her kindergartener’s education regarding CRT. https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/06/update-smear-of-mom-nicole-solas-was-prepared-by-public-relations-firm-hired-by-south-kingstown-ri-school-committee/ Gonzalez and Andrea Gross organized hundreds of parents to advocate for pro-human values at Columbus Academy in Ohio. The school called the police and brought in bomb-sniffing dogs. https://procacoalition.com/ this link has a very short video of the two moms from mentioned above. It may be of interest as it does show (very briefly) what appears to be part of a middle school or high school syllabus regarding CRT assignments. https://www.fairforall.org/ Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism When I started this thread I truly had no idea that many of you had either never heard that this was being taught in school systems across the country, or where unaware of the controversy over it's implementation. I have been hearing about this for awhile now. Maybe because I do read/watch Fox news. I am grateful to Plum for all of her digging to find examples of CRT being taught and the controversy surrounding it. I don't have a dog in this fight (currently), as my children are grown but I want to know what's happening in schools for the sake of all children in this country and for my possible, maybe, it could happen, future grandchildren. I was fortunate to be able to homeschool my children. For the record I am for vouchers, charter schools and school choice. Make these schools compete for your children's attendance with proven results! Just because your home is located in x neighborhood your child should not be required to attend the x school, IMO.

This and the fact that many, maybe even most of the school systems aren't able to get all ( or even a majority) of the children on grade level in the basics. IMO, it is much more important for their futures to focus getting a solid foundation in the basics than establishing who is oppressed/oppressor etc..

I do not see any mention of an increase in white supremacy in either of the above links.

From the link: Barrett ended the email with a reasonable request: “I would like to know HOW this fits into your science curriculum and when and how many other lessons like this you plan to teach this school year.” The school responded to the mom The school’s principal, Myra Arnone, set up a phone call to discuss Barrett’s concerns. “She explained that this kind of teaching is now being incorporated into all subjects at the teacher’s ‘professional discretion,'” Barrett explained to the Jason Rantz Show on KTTH. “If the teacher feels that there is something along the racial, social justice, LGBTQIA+, equity/diversity, et cetera – they can incorporate that however they want into their lesson plans.” So it's whatever the teacher wants it to be, taught however the teacher wants to teach it, no matter what the actual subject is? As I said before too much wiggle room. There is no place for this in K-12 setting. They need to stick to academics.

That is what I mean about too much wiggle room for what is included in the "CRT curriculum". This has no place in K-12 setting. They have enough material they aren't effectively teaching now.

From the link from the teacher: New Jersey prep school teacher Dana Stangel-Plowe resigned this week over her school's curriculum, which she argued is causing White and male students to believe they are "oppressors." "The school’s ideology requires students to see themselves not as individuals, but as representatives of a group, forcing them to adopt the status of privilege or victimhood," Stangel-Plowe wrote in her letter, adding that students arrive in her classroom believing that "people born with less melanin in their skin are oppressors, and people born with more melanin in their skin are oppressed." That does not sound like a curriculum that belongs in public school.

No worries, I have to come to expect it here. If some don't like what is posted they choose to attack the source and/or me. Happily I have discovered the ignore feature.

I think it is important hear all sides of an issue. I have no interest in "sewing discord or division". It does seem to me that many on this board want it to be an echo chamber. I prefer to read from several sources to get a better understanding of issues.

The videos are of real people who are responding to the CRT being taught in their school system. They are not foxnews employees speaking about CRT. Loudoun County, Va. is a wealthy county that leans left. According to Wikipedia: "Democrats carried the county again in the 2016 presidential election, when Loudoun swung heavily towards Hillary Clinton, giving her 55.1% to Trump's 38.2%. In 2020, Joe Biden won over 60 percent of the vote". I haven't been in public schools, or private for that matter, in many years. Given what CRT claims to be about as Plum has posted, I do not think there is any place for this in public school. The factual history of our country about slavery, Tulsa, segregation, Jim Crow, etc.. .yes absolutely should be taught. This was taught when I was in school. The public schools are not doing a stellar job of just getting students on grade level in the basic subjects. IMO, that needs to be their focus especially after being out of the classroom for over a year now in most cases. If parents want to teach CRT at home, great do that. I don't trust public schools to do an adequate job with just teaching the basics. I think anything beyond that is too much to expect. Expecting them to teach this without pushing the oppressor/oppressed is dangerous territory IMO. I think there is too much wiggle room for interpretation as well as to what exactly can/will be included in the curriculum under the umbrella of CRT and how it will be taught.

Nope, not at all. Although I did not say "I'm so sure" . Go ahead argue away that this is not what CRT really is. I have noticed the dismissiveness of some on this board to deflect by slamming the source rather than speak to the topic at hand.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-xi-van-fleet-critical-race-theory-china-cultural-revolution-loudoun I am sure some will, as usual, attack the source (Foxnews.com) . The video is of the mother speaking about the parallels she sees with CRT and what she experienced in her childhood in China. The link below is a teacher speaking before the same school board. This too has the video of her speech. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/teacher-confronts-loudoun-county-school-board-progressive-agenda And another parent addressing this school board https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-parents-loudoun-school-board-graphic-books-critical-race-theory You will need to scroll down to see this video I am sure there will be claims that this is only happening in this particular county, and this is not what CRT really is.

I've been following this UFO news and the maneuverability is crazy. Up until reading this article I had not been terribly concerned. The whole turning nukes on and putting them online is very disturbing!

https://unherd.com/2021/06/beijings-useful-idiots/ Posting this in two similar threads dealing with the importance of truth in medicine and science. “Nature and The Lancet played important roles in enabling, encouraging, and enforcing the false narrative that science evidence indicates Sars-CoV-2 had a natural-spillover origin points and the false narrative that this was the scientific consensus”. Or as another well-placed observer put it: “The game seems to be for Nature and The Lancet to rush non-peer revised correspondences to set the tone and then delay critical papers and responses.” But why would they do this? This is where things become even murkier. Allegations swirl that it was not down to editorial misjudgement, but something more sinister: a desire to appease China for commercial reasons. The Financial Times revealed four years ago that debt-laden Springer Nature, the German group that publishes Nature, was blocking access in China to hundreds of academic articles mentioning subjects deemed sensitive by Beijing such as Hong Kong, Taiwan or Tibet. China is also spending lavishly around the world to win supremacy in science — which includes becoming the biggest national sponsor of open access journals published by both Springer Nature and Elsevier, owner of The Lancet.

Yes to Katie Herzog. Thanks for the Nelly link. Not Jewish, not gonna convert, but interesting read.

I was only loosely familiar with Bari Weiss as a writer for NYT until she wrote this resignation letter https://www.bariweiss.com/resignation-letter Perhaps I should have title the original post Bari Weiss. Although as has already been pointed out Bari Weiss is not the author of either of the articles I posted about. I do hope some of you will read the second article I mentioned as well. Coming from the medical field this topic is of great importance to me. In the same vein https://unherd.com/2021/06/beijings-useful-idiots/ From the article: “Nature and The Lancet played important roles in enabling, encouraging, and enforcing the false narrative that science evidence indicates Sars-CoV-2 had a natural-spillover origin points and the false narrative that this was the scientific consensus”. Or as another well-placed observer put it: “The game seems to be for Nature and The Lancet to rush non-peer revised correspondences to set the tone and then delay critical papers and responses.” But why would they do this? This is where things become even murkier. Allegations swirl that it was not down to editorial misjudgement, but something more sinister: a desire to appease China for commercial reasons. The Financial Times revealed four years ago that debt-laden Springer Nature, the German group that publishes Nature, was blocking access in China to hundreds of academic articles mentioning subjects deemed sensitive by Beijing such as Hong Kong, Taiwan or Tibet. China is also spending lavishly around the world to win supremacy in science — which includes becoming the biggest national sponsor of open access journals published by both Springer Nature and Elsevier, owner of The Lancet.

Sadly, free speech has been being restricted on some college campuses for years. A quick google search: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/college-students-support-free-speech--unless-it-offends-them/2018/03/09/79f21c9e-23e4-11e8-94da-ebf9d112159c_story.html https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/the-ongoing-challenge-to-define-free-speech/thwarting-speech-on-college-campuses/ https://centerforacademicfreedom.org/a-university-effectively-fired-this-professor-after-he-spoke-at-a-conservative-think-tank/ https://www.businessinsider.com/list-of-disinvited-speakers-at-colleges-2016-7 https://apnews.com/article/north-america-us-news-wisconsin-courts-marquette-university-87630740b8b74a04b10aac3b62c5904b And I agree the lack of free exchange of competing ideas in academia is a serious issue in this country.

If you scroll down a few topics on the link for Bari Weiss you will see a discussion on Critical Race Theory if you ae interested.

Mormons - yes JW- I don't think I know any currently more than lose acquaintances. I knew some in my K-12 years. The others you mentioned- No, not more than acquaintances. Have taken care of people of some of these beliefs in my work.

It's been 4 years! I'd hardly call it jumping the line if AOC found the money and resources in that time to fix the roof etc.. If (as the original question was) this had been me and my grandma, I would have paid to get the repairs done as soon as possible if I could afford them. I would have wanted the damage to be as limited as possible, fix the roof asap to avoid the potential for the development of mold/ mildew , rot etc... And I would not blame AOC or anyone else for doing what they could for their family member in need. If the money was not there and this fellow offered to raise money for the repairs, I would have happily accepted the money, made the repairs, and used the leftover money to help others make their repairs as well. But that's just me. As I said before I believe this is more of a someone said something uncomfortable about AOC issue on this board,

If you aren't familiar with Bari Weiss the former writer for New York Times you really should check out her reporting on substack.com. This particular lecture from this professor is pretty sickening, but needs to be pointed out. The article further down the list about doctor's not being allowed to speak the truth for fear of retaliation is disturbing as well. This craziness of scientists/doctors not being allowed to tell the truth for fear of losing their jobs or research funding (Covid-19 origin cover up for example) has to stop. https://bariweiss.substack.com/ Changed the title. I'm sure that will not stop the deflection from the subject at hand and personal attacks on Bari Weiss, but I have come to expect nothing less from some people on this board.