EmmaNZ Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 My 11 year old son has gone from loving history (SOTW) to hating it since he started K12 human odyssey (we have the student workbook). He struggles to answer any of the questions without being spoonfed the answers, and dislikes reading the book. He is reading some historical fiction and the OUP books (history of near eastern world) alongside, which I think he quite enjoys. What would you do? Change to something else? Change the output required? Outline from the OUP books and drop K12? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milknhoney Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 History has always been a struggle for us, and this is what I decided to do for logic stage. It's working well for us so far. We're using DK History of the World as our spine and then using All Through the Ages as a book list for supplemental reading. Ds has to read the chapter in DK and take notes. Then he reads supplemental books of his choice and takes notes on the nonfiction and summarizes the fiction. And that's it. Maybe we'll worry about analysis and fact memorization in high school. For now I'm just happy when he smiles and tells me he likes the book he's reading. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlily Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 I highly, highly, highly recommend listening to Susan Wise Bauer's lecture on the Great Books. It's $3 or $4 and you can order the cd or get it instantly as an audio download. It explains clearly what the goal of the history study for the logic stage should be and how to do it. In the logic stage the student is "finding connections between events...history changes from a set of stories into one long, sequential story filled with cause and effect" (TWTM p. 269, 3rd ed.) I think how you proceed with your son will be determined by what your goals for his history study are. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kareni Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 We started homeschooling when my daughter was in seventh grade. This is what I did. I had my daughter keep a Book of the Centuries when she began homeschooling in 7th grade. We did a three year sweep through world history, and she added information to her book for three years. Here are the instructions I gave her in 7th grade. "History and Reading The plan: To study history chronologically from prehistory to about AD500. The means: We’ll use Hillyer and Huey’s two books Young People’s Story of the Ancient World as well as numerous other books and resources. Typically each week there will be a list of required reading. There will generally be a novel to be read pertaining to the time period. There may also be some myths and legends to be read. There will also be non-fiction books or selections to be read and perhaps a website to visit or a video to view. You will need to locate any places mentioned on the map, in a historical atlas and on the globe (if we obtain one). Each week you will make two pages for your Book of the Centuries. These pages should be work you can be proud of! They should be well planned, edited and neat. They can be in your best cursive or done on the computer. All art work should be done with care. The pages should pertain to the time period being studied. Each page should be titled. Pages might cover such topics as: A people A great man or woman (a ruler, artist, explorer, scientist) An artifact (tools, buildings, type of writing) A religion An event A discovery or invention A war or battle The daily life of a people A map (route of an explorer, location of a people) An imaginary encounter between two historical personae ??? You might find information on these topics at home or you may need to do additional research at the library or online. Maps should include a legend (which may be printed) in addition to the title. In addition to your two pages, you should also note five to ten important dates in your Book of the Centuries." If you'd like to see the materials we used in 7th, 8th, and 9th grade, let me know and I'll post them. Regards, Kareni 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmmaNZ Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 Thank you all for your comments. Kareni, your post is really helpful - I would love to see the materials you used if you don't mind. Having read your comments, two things jump out at me: 1. that logic stage requires a child to engage their brain and 2. it requires some effort. My son just doesn't want to do either. He doesn't want to answer questions that he can't just lift the answer from the book, he doesn't want to take any time over his work because he wants to be outside practising his rugby. I think perhaps this is more of a character/discipline issue than a history curriculum one. Sigh - that is much harder to fix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerryAtHope Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Thank you all for your comments. Kareni, your post is really helpful - I would love to see the materials you used if you don't mind. Having read your comments, two things jump out at me: 1. that logic stage requires a child to engage their brain and 2. it requires some effort. My son just doesn't want to do either. He doesn't want to answer questions that he can't just lift the answer from the book, he doesn't want to take any time over his work because he wants to be outside practising his rugby. I think perhaps this is more of a character/discipline issue than a history curriculum one. Sigh - that is much harder to fix. Maybe, or not necessarily. Does he write easily, or is it a struggle for him? I had struggling writers, and they weren't ready to do the note-taking etc... at age 11. One started at 12, but one was still narrating at that age and worked on writing separately from having to come up with content and answers. When a kid goes from loving to hating a subject, take a step back and really analyze why. Maybe the jump from last year to this was too big of a jump and your son wasn't prepared for it--he could need more incremental steps to get there. Maybe K12 human odyssey is really boring to him or doesn't teach in a way that grabs his interest. Maybe the expectations this year were a surprise and he's never gotten over that. My oldest especially needed the expectations to be clear--and once he knew, he was usually better with things. He still might not like a change, but he could understand it and better meet the challenge. Or maybe he's just a somewhat typical adolescent :-). Think through what he needs to succeed, and also what he needs to bring to the table--can you work together to make this work, or does it need to be ditched? Hang in there! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbutton Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Think through what he needs to succeed, and also what he needs to bring to the table--can you work together to make this work, or does it need to be ditched? Hang in there! Agreed (as we slog/soar/slog along ourselves). Even if "work ethic" is in the area of character, our kids respond better when we meet them where they are at and show them what they do well. It helps if we can try to understand what makes it difficult as well. I do think that connecting dots WITH WORDS is harder for a lot of kids. They can see something or even intuit something, but they need help working that out. We do a lot of reverse-engineering the process for something. For instance, if we want to write out ideas, we take them apart first. I really like The Reader's Handbook for this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momling Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 We do a History Portfolio which sounds very similar to Kareni's book of centuries. When my daughter was in elementary school, we used this: http://www.homeschooljourney.combut have just purchased blank portfolios for the past few years. In the portfolio she pastes essays, pictures, lists, newspaper headlines, biographies about famous people, summaries of books from the period, etc... We supplement the textbook (was human odyssey, now using american odyssey) with literature, crash course videos, stanford reading like a historian, documentaries, historical cooking, period movies. We love it. That said, my other daughter would hate all the extras and just want to do the minimum and move on. For that kind of kid, maybe just worksheets and reading are all they need? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kareni Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Kareni, your post is really helpful - I would love to see the materials you used if you don't mind. My daughter used the following materials in 7th grade which covered the time period up to 500AD. Yes, she did read all of these books; however, she was and is a voracious reader. We are also quite liberal, so some of these materials might not work for others. Selections from The Kingfisher Illustrated History of the World by Charlotte Evans et al. The Young People's Story of Our Heritage: The Ancient World, Pre-history to 500BC by V. M. Hillyer and E. G. Huey The Young People's Story of Our Heritage: The Ancient World, 500BC to 500AD by V. M. Hillyer and E. G. Huey A Bone from a Dry Sea by Peter Dickinson Cave of the Moving Shadows by Thomas Milstead Spirit on the Wall by Ann O'Neal Garcia Mara, Daughter of the Nile by Eloise Jarvis McGraw Pharaoh's Daughter by Julius Lester Video: David Macaulay's World of Ancient Engineering: Pyramid Black Ships before Troy by Rosemary Sutcliff Dateline: Troy by Paul Fleischman Inside the Walls of Troy by Clemence McClaren The Curse of King Tut by Patricia Netzley The Golden Fleece by Padraic Colum Escape from Egypt by Sonia Levitin Troy by Adele Geras The Wanderings of Odysseus by Rosemary Sutcliff The Cat of Bubastes by G. A. Henty City of Gold and Other Stories from the Old Testament by Peter Dickinson Gods and Goddesses by John Malam The Riddle of the Rosetta Stone by James Cross Giblin Selections from Cultural Atlas for Young People: Ancient Greece by Anton Powell Selections from Then and Now by Stefania and Dominic Perring Selections from Usborne Book of Famous Lives Selections from Heroines by Rebecca Hazell Selections from A Picturesque Tale of Progress, Volume 2 by Olive Beaupre Miller The Story of the World, History for the Classical Child: Ancient Times by Susan W. Bauer Niko: Sculptor's Apprentice by Isabelle Lawrence How Would You Survive as an Ancient Greek? by Fiona Macdonald Calliope Magazine: Taharqo Calliope Magazine: Ancient Celts Alexander the Great by Peter Chrisp Video: Alexander the Great (The History Makers) Men of Athens by Olivia Coolidge Selections from Mathematicians are People, Too by Luetta and Wilbert Reimer Science in Ancient Greece by Kathlyn Gay Selections from A Day in Old Athens by William S. Davis Your Travel Guide to Ancient Greece by Nancy Day The Librarian who Measured the Earth by Kathryn Lasky The Emperor's Silent Army by Jane O'Connor Selections from Ancient Japan by J. E. Kidder Hannibal's Elephants by Alfred Powers The Story of the Romans by H. A. Guerber Galen: My Life in Imperial Rome by Marissa Moss Caesar's Gallic War by Olivia Coolidge Selections from Ancient Inventions by Peter James and Nick Thorpe Video: Anthony and Cleopatra (Royal Shakespeare Company, 1974) Videos: I, Claudius (Volumes 1-7) Augustus Caesar's World by Genevieve Foster City by David Macaulay The Wadjet Eye by Jill Rubalcaba Video: David Macaulay's World of Ancient Engineering: Roman City Song for a Dark Queen by Rosemary Sutcliff Detectives in Togas by Henry Winterfield Video: Ancient Mysteries: Pompeii, Buried Alive The Capricorn Bracelet by Rosemary Sutcliff The Eagle of the Ninth by Rosemary Sutcliff Selections from Wonders of Ancient Chinese Science by Robert Silverberg The White Stag by Kate Seredy Saint George and the Dragon by Margaret Hodges Selections from The Dark Ages by Tony Gregory Lady Ch'iao Kuo: Warrior of the South by Laurence Yep The Dancing Bear by Peter Dickinson Video: Africa (Ancient Civilizations for Children) The Cartoon History of the Universe II, From the Springtime of China to the Fall of Rome by Larry Gonick Regards, Kareni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kareni Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Here's the mega list of resources that my daughter used when she was in 8th grade (quite some moons ago). Since she'd only begun homeschooling in 7th grade, she was on the second year of a three year sweep through world history and was studying the time period AD500 to AD 1700. The list includes books, videos and music. She was/is a speedy reader so she read many more books than others might. Asterisked entries were used only in part. Eighth Grade History Reading and Resource List Dorling Kindersley History of the World edited by Plantagenet Somerset Fry ** The Story of Mankind by Hendrik Willem van Loon ** The Story of Mankind: A Picturesque Tale of Progress by Olive Beaupre Miller ** The Hollow Hills by Mary Stewart The Man Who Loved Books by Jean Fritz Across a Dark and Wild Sea by Don Brown The Sword in the Stone by T. H. White Brendan the Navigator by Jean Fritz The Illustrated History of the World, Vol. 3, Rome and the Classical West by J. M. Roberts ** The Mists of Avalon by Marion Zimmer Bradley – audio (Vol. 1) The Brendan Voyage by Tim Severin ** Then and Now by Stefania and Dominic Perring ** I am Mordred by Nancy Springer The Illustrated History of the World, Vol. 4, The Age of Diverging Traditions by J. M. Roberts ** Tusk and Stone by Malcolm Bosse Muhammad by Demi The Shining Company by Rosemary Sutcliff The Real Middle Earth by Brian Bates ** The Middle Ages by Mike Corbishley ** Beowulf the Warrior by Ian Serraillier Beowulf: A New Telling by Robert Nye The Collected Beowulf by Gareth Hinds Maples in the Mist by Minfong Ho Ancient Cliff Dwellers of Mesa Verde by Caroline Arnold The Arabian Nights retold by Neil Philip The Age of Chivalry edited by Merle Severy ** His Majesty’s Elephant by Judith Tarr Charlemagne and the Early Middle Ages by Miriam Greenblatt Prison Window, Jerusalem Blue by Bruce Clements Norse Gods and Giants by Ingri and Edgar Parin D’Aulaire The Real Vikings by Melvin and Gilda Berger Medieval Knights by Trevor Cairns ** Otto of the Silver Hand by Howard Pyle The Story of Science: Aristotle Leads the Way by Joy Hakim ** The Edge on the Sword by Rebecca Tingle Alfred the Great and the Saxons by Robin May The Time Traveler Book of Viking Raiders by Anne Civardi and James Graham-Campbell Blood Feud by Rosemary Sutcliff The Song Dynasty by Scott Ingram Hakon of Rogen’s Saga by Erik Haugaard Early Explorers of North America by C. Keith Wilbur ** The Cartoon History of the Universe III by Larry Gonick Fafnir by Bernard Evslin The King’s Shadow by Elizabeth Alder 1000 Years Ago on Planet Earth by Sneed Collard The Legend of the Cid by Robert Goldston Shakespeare Stories by Leon Garfield ** Shakespeare and MacBeth: The Story Behind the Play by James Barter Shakespeare’s MacBeth (video) William the Conqueror by Thomas B. Costain Anna of Byzantium by Tracy Barrett A Travel Guide to Medieval Constantinople by James Barter Robin Hood by Neil Philip A Proud Taste for Scarlet and Miniver by E. L. Konigsburg Daily Life in the Middle Ages by Paul B. Newman ** Brother Cadfael videos: A Morbid Taste for Bones and Monk’s Hood Tales of the Crusades by Olivia Coolidge A Single Shard by Linda Sue Park Saladin by Diane Stanley In a Dark Wood by Michael Cadnum The Story of the Wise Men by Regine Pernoud and Canon Grivot Canticles of Ecstasy (the music of Hildegard von Bingen) by Sequentia The Magna Charta by James H. Daugherty Marvels of Science by Kendall Haven ** The Road to Damietta by Scott O’Dell Eyewitness Medieval Life by Andrew Langley Music of the Gothic Era (The Early Music Consort of London/David Munrow) Brother Sun, Sister Moon (video) (Wertmuller and Zeffirelli) Book of the Lion by Michael Cadnum Angkor: Heart of an Asian Empire by Bruno Dagens ** Sir Walter Scott’s Ivanhoe (video, BBC production) Quest for a Maid by Frances Hendry Castle by David Macaulay The Ramsay Scallop by Frances Temple Girl in a Cage by Jane Yolen Archers, Alchemists, and 98 Other Jobs You Might Have Loved or Loathed by Priscilla Galloway The King’s Swift Rider by Mollie Hunter Marco Polo: To China and Back by Steven Otfinoski Cathedral by David Macaulay The Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer as retold by Geraldine McCaughrean Geoffrey Chaucer’s The Canterbury Tales (read by Prunella Scales and Martin Starkie)** Dog of the Bondi Castle by Lynn Hall Harold the Herald by Dana Fradon Traveling Man: The Journey of Ibn Battuta, 1325-1354 by James Rumford The Inferno of Dante (cantos 1 – 5) translated by Robert Pinsky Beckett (video, 1964) The Lion in Winter (video, 1968) A Distant Mirror by Barbara Tuchman ** The Black Arrow by Robert Louis Stevenson The Trumpeter of Krakow by Eric P. Kelly The Second Mrs. Giaconda by E. L. Konigsburg Rats, Bulls, and Flying Machines by Deborah Prum The Passion of Joan of Arc (video, 1928, Carl Th. Dreyer) 1492: Music from the Age of Discovery by The Waverly Consort The Cargo of the Madalena by Cynthia Harnett 1492: The Year of the New World by Piero Ventura The Prince and the Pauper by Mark Twain Great Painters by Piero Ventura ** Accidental Explorers by Rebecca Stefoff ** Greensleeves: A Collection of English Lute Songs by Julianne Baird and Ronn McFarlane Beware, Princess Elizabeth by Carolyn Meyer The Sea King: Sir Francis Drake and His Times by Albert Marrin Elizabeth R: The Lion’s Cub (video, BBC production, 1971) Elizabeth (video, 1998, with Cate Blanchett) Den of the White Fox by Lensey Namioka From Coronado to Escalante: The Explorers of the Spanish Southwest by John Miller Morris Cantos 1 – 5 of Fierce Wars and Faithful Loves: A retelling of Edmund Spenser’s The Faerie Queene, Book 1 by Roy Maynard On the Banks of the Helicon: Early Music of Scotland by the Baltimore Consort The Inquisition (video, The History Channel, 1996) The Adventures of Don Quixote de la Mancha by Miguel de Cervantes (adapted by Leighton Barret) The World of Captain John Smith by Genevieve Foster ** The World of Lully by the Chicago Baroque Ensemble John Bunyan’s Pilgrim’s Progress retold by Gary D. Schmidt I, Juan de Pareja by Elizabeth Borton de Trevino Dowland: Ayres and Lute Lessons by the Deller Consort Out of Many Waters by Jacqueline Dembar Greene The Trial and Execution of Charles I by Leonard W. Cowie Rembrandt by Ceciel de Bie and Martijn Leenen The Reduced Shakespeare Company (video, Acorn Media, 2003) Witch Child by Celia Rees At the Sign of the Sugared Plum by Mary Hooper Vivaldi’s Ring of Mystery: A Tale of Venice and Violins (audio) Girl with a Pearl Earring (video, 2003) Regards, Kareni 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kareni Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Last one since we did a three year sweep through world history. In 9th grade, we used a hodgepodge of materials when my daughter covered the time period 1700 to 2000. Here are the resources (non-fiction, literature, videos and music) that we used. Be aware that we are fairly liberal so some materials might not suit all families.World History the Easy Way, Volume 2 by Charles FrazeeAmerican History the Easy Way by William KelloggWorld History Map Activities by Marvin Scott Poor Richard’s Almanack by Benjamin FranklinGeorge Washington, Spymaster by Thomas B. AllenTomaso Albinoni – 12 Concerti a cinque Op. 5Roots by Alex Haley (to p. 126)Georg Philipp Telemann – Suite A Minor, 2 Double Concertos (Michala Petri, Academy of St. Martin-in-the Fields)Amadeus (video)"A Modest Proposal" by Jonathan SwiftGeorge Washington’s World by Genevieve FosterThe Scarlet Pimpernel by Baroness Emmuska OrczyI Will Repay by Baroness Emmuska OrczyEldorado by Baroness Emmuska OrczySir Percy Hits Back by Baroness Emmuska OrczyThe Scarlet Pimpernel (three part video, BBC)Carl Friedrich Abel – Symphonies Op. 10, numbers 1 – 6, La StagioneFrancesco Geminiani – 12 Concerti Grossi, I MusiciThe Art of the Fugue by Bach, Emerson String QuartetFrankenstein by Mary ShelleyLongitude (video, A&E)C.S. Forester’s Horatio Hornblower (set of 8 videos, A&E)Lock, Stock, and Barrel by Donald SobolLudwig van Beethoven – Symphonies 5 in C Minor, Op. 67, and 6 in F Major, Op. 68, Pastoral"Midnight Ride of Paul Revere" by Henry Wadsworth LongfellowCartouche (video)Joseph Haydn – String Quartets, Op. 17, Nos. 1, 2, and 4, Kodaly QuartetLes Miserables by Victor Hugo (translated by Norman Denny)The New Nation by Joy HakimA Tale of Two Cities (video)Georges Bizet – Carmen Suites No. 1 and No. 2; L’Arlesienne Suites No. 1 and No. 2, Leonard BernsteinAdolphe Adam – Giselle, conducted by Richard Bonynge, Orchestra of the Royal Opera HouseAnton Bruckner – Symphony No. 4 “Romanticâ€, conducted by Eugen Jochum, Berlin Philharmonic OrchestraMen-of-War: Life in Nelson's Navy by Patrick O'BrianYoung Frankenstein (video)Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein (video with Kenneth Branagh)Lily Afshar -- A Jug of Wine and Thou (Persian music)Rifles for Watie by Harold KeithMaster and Commander (video)Chamber Works by Women Composers, The Macalester TrioCommodore Perry in the Land of the Shogun by Rhoda BlumbergWassail! Wassail! Early American Christmas Music by the Revels"An Occurrence at the Owl Creek Bridge" by Ambrose BierceThe Devil’s Dictionary by Ambrose BierceStephen Foster’s Civil War Songs (sung by Linda Russell)The Century for Young People by Peter Jennings and Todd BrewsterCritical Thinking in United States History, Book Four, Spanish-American War to Vietnam War by Kevin O’ReillyPeter Ilyich Tchaikovsky, Sleeping Beauty, Swan Lake and Nutcracker, Berliner Philharmoniker, Mstislav Rostropovich conductingWinsor McCay: The Master Edition (The Sinking of the Lusitania)Claude Debussy: La Mer, Nocturnes, Jeux, The Cleveland Orchestra, Pierre Boulez conductingThe Battleship Potemkin (video)“Broadway, Blues, and Truth†from RESPECT: A Century of Women in MusicBotchan by Soseki Natsume (translated by Umeji Sasaki)Many Lives, Many Stories by Kathryn Abbott and Patricia MinterWitness by Karen HesseInfluenza 1918 (video from PBS)New Orleans Rhythm Kings and Jelly Roll MortonAntarctica by Walter Dean MyersWar Game by Michael ForemanMao Tse-Tung and His China by Albert Marrin“The Butcher Boyâ€, “The Garage†and “Rough House†from The Best Arbuckle Keaton Collection (video)Fluffy Ruffle Girls: Women in RagtimeAll Quiet on the Western Front by Erich Maria RemarqueCharles A. Lindbergh: A Human Hero by James Cross GiblinInherit the Wind (video)Pygmalion by George Bernard ShawAll Quiet on the Western Front (video)The Depression and New Deal by Robert McElvaineCabaret (video)Radio Comedy Classics: Jack Benny Program and Fred Allen ShowSurviving Hitler by Andrea WarrenMaus I and Maus II by Art SpiegelmanRabbit-Proof Fence (video)The Verse by the Side of the Road by Frank Ransome, Jr.Elvis Presley title albumAaron Copland, Appalachian Spring, Rodeo, Billy the Kid, Fanfare for the Common Man (New York Philharmonic, Leonard Bernstein)1940s House (video)Diary of Anne FrankNorth to Freedom by Anne HolmShane (video)Frank Sinatra, Come Swing with MeAnimal Farm by George OrwellThe Little World of Don Camillo by Giovanni GuareschiEd Sullivan’s Rock and Roll Classics, Volume 8: Legends of Rock (video)Beatles, Beatles for SaleAtomic Café (video)Bob Dylan, Highway 61 Revisited“I Have a Dream†by Martin Luther King, Jr.All the President's Men (video)Forrest Gump (video)Judy Collins, Whales and NightingalesHair (video)The Vietnam War by Marilyn B. Young, John J. Fitzgerald and A. Tom GrunfeldSingers and Songwriters, 1974-1975Good Morning, Vietnam (video)Out of the Silent Planet by C. S. LewisThe Mouse that Roared by Leonard WibberleyThe Mouse that Roared (video)Abba, The Definitive CollectionW;t by Margaret EdsonW;t (video)Persepolis by Marjane SatrapiFax from Sarajevo by Joe KubertU2, Achtung BabyA Little History of the World by E. H. GombrichRegards,Kareni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serendipitous journey Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 OP, I've been thinking about your post (we're also using OUP, and I have a Q&A-averse 5th grader). May I ask what writing/composition program (or general strategy) you are using with your son? Also, when you did SOTW, did the child do narrations? and does he have experience with oral and/or written narrations in other subjects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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