Rosepetal Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) Hi, I am looking for some advice and or recommendations. Could anyone compare and write the Pros and cons for both the programs? I am leaning towards Derek Owens Algebra 1 and Algebra 2 or Math Without Borders Foerster Algebra 2 but have some queries: 1) As my kiddos are in full time high school and currently doing 6 full time courses so whatever I researched on the WTM boards I got the idea that the homework problems are 1 page in DO for each section of chapter but don’t know the number of questions at the end of each chapter tests, reviews and exams. The support is good but I don’t know the support for the distance learners. Can DL students email DO if they get stuck during the course work for clarification of Practice problem? Are the solutions step by step in the manual for self grading? How many hours of homework'll be given each week? How many questions / practice problems are on each HW and Tests / Exam reviews and Exam papers? Would DL kids get their progress reports? Could you compare DO Algebra 2 book with Foerster Algebra 2? Though I heard DO Algebra 2 book is light in a good amount of work problems or applications like Foerster's Algebra 2. Are both the books solid for STEM career? My ds is in the mid of Grade 10 right now so if he starts DO Algebra 2 this month then after 7-8 months he can start DO Pre Calculus that will end by next year but how can I squeeze a full year DO Geometry from now until August 2020 and he can’t take any course in his High school Grade 12, as his school has two Maths named Advanced Functions and Calculus and Vectors to do and apply for Universities. Any recommendation for condensed solid Geometry course? He is a brilliant Math student always achieved 97% to 99% in Maths in Landry Academy and VHSG and local schools here. 2) I am tempting to Foerster Algrebra 2 due it’s solidness, real life Word problems and having Pre Calculus in half of the book. Regarding Math Without Borders Math book, what I saw a sample at Rainbow Resource books online that every section of each chapter has too much practice questions like 50 I saw in one sample, though we don’t mind this much questions like Saxon books but time is a important thing to kids so can’t spent this long to do all practice questions and I think tutors may recommend to do odds or evens only but I don’t know that skipping practice questions will be good for my kiddos. My dd's too slow and has a Mathphobia. Would DO be a good choice for such students? ls there any test assessment available to check the level? Does MWB has good support for self paced students? We need a good support self paced courses as don’t want to let my kids stuck on any topic or problem and to waste the time and money. Kindly correct me, if anything's not correct in this post. If anyone has any opinion and recommendations, kindly share it with me.. Thanks! Edited February 10, 2019 by Rosepetal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8filltheheart Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 I am slightly confused by your questions bc I thought that MWB used the Foerster textbooks. Did they publish their own? I have used Foerster's with all of my kids. I bought the MWB videos at one pt, yrs ago. My experience then was that they were just someone working through the examples in the textbook and pretty much just teaching the textbook content. I personally didn't find any value added from the audio bc I can read the book and explain exactly what it says (which is what I felt was all the videos did.) Back them there was no teacher support, but maybe there is now bc that was a probably 10?? yrs ago. (No idea, but it was a while ago.) I have used DO 2x now for pre-cal. (The 2nd part of my confusion about your post.) My kids complete Foerster's alg 2/trig book and then follow it with a yr of pre-cal. My 2 dd's who have used DO pre-cal lectures have both liked the way he explains graphing trig function s better than the explanations in Foerster's. We have never used anything other than the DO lectures. We use the Sullivan textbook and I assign the problems and grade with its SM. If we can't figure something our, I'll ask one of my other kids or post a question on here. My kids probably spend 1-2 hrs on math per day (depends on the day and whether or not we struggle with a problem.) I am also confused by your 10th grader's make background. You say he is brilliant in math, but he hasn't taken geometry or alg 2? What math is he is currently? What math did he take in 9th grade? Is he in school not taking a math credit right now? Are these math courses meant to supplement school or be his math course? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosepetal Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 Thanks for sharing your experience. I mean MWB Foerster books videos. We admitted our son in local school, where he took Grade 9 Maths and now he has Grade 10 Maths in the second semester of his High school. We want to supplement it, in order to make him strong and get ahead in his High school. My question is about Math sequence that how he will cover these full year Math courses in a short time and to compare both Maths program. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8filltheheart Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 21 minutes ago, Rosepetal said: Thanks for sharing your experience. I mean MWB Foerster books videos. We admitted our son in local school, where he took Grade 9 Maths and now he has Grade 10 Maths in the second semester of his High school. We want to supplement it, in order to make him strong and get ahead in his High school. My question is about Math sequence that how he will cover these full year Math courses in a short time and to compare both Maths program. Thanks! What is being covered in Math 9 and Math 10? Is there a valid concern in the math education to require completely redoing alg 2 and geometry? Will he be redoing pre-cal 2? When you state get ahead, do you mean skip a class in his school and place into a higher level course? Without understanding you concerns about your ds's math skills, it is hard to answer your questions. Both programs are meant to be full high school courses, not supplemental material. Foerster's strength is word problems. If he has already completed alg 2, you could just have him go through the text completing the word problem and possibly chat tests. Foerster's word problems are all in a single section, so it would be easy vs finding word problems spread throughout multiple sections. I have not seen DO's materials. He has published his own workbooks for the lower levels. I think there are materials for pre-cal, but I am not sure. For pre-cal, the videos follow the Sullivan text. Working through just his videos is time consuming, so don't discount just the video time in your assessment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJosMom Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 8 hours ago, 8FillTheHeart said: What is being covered in Math 9 and Math 10? Is there a valid concern in the math education to require completely redoing alg 2 and geometry? Will he be redoing pre-cal 2? When you state get ahead, do you mean skip a class in his school and place into a higher level course? Without understanding you concerns about your ds's math skills, it is hard to answer your questions. Both programs are meant to be full high school courses, not supplemental material. Foerster's strength is word problems. If he has already completed alg 2, you could just have him go through the text completing the word problem and possibly chat tests. Foerster's word problems are all in a single section, so it would be easy vs finding word problems spread throughout multiple sections. I have not seen DO's materials. He has published his own workbooks for the lower levels. I think there are materials for pre-cal, but I am not sure. For pre-cal, the videos follow the Sullivan text. Working through just his videos is time consuming, so don't discount just the video time in your assessment. I agree with the concerns raised by 8, above. If your son is already a strong math student who has successfully completed the first two years of standard high school math, I would suggest that you look at AoPS for supplementation "in order to make him strong and get ahead in his High school." Having a strong student re-do basic algebra and geometry seems like torture to me, not supplementation. As for your daughter, who you say is "too slow and has a Mathphobia," what do you mean by this? Too slow for what? How old is she and what math has she done? Is she struggling, or does she simply work more slowly and not like it? If she IS struggling, could you please describe what seems to be causing her problems? There are lots of curriculum choices out there to help struggling students, but the appropriate choice is going to depend upon what the particular challenge is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosepetal Posted February 11, 2019 Author Share Posted February 11, 2019 10 hours ago, 8FillTheHeart said: What is being covered in Math 9 and Math 10? Is there a valid concern in the math education to require completely redoing alg 2 and geometry? Will he be redoing pre-cal 2? When you state get ahead, do you mean skip a class in his school and place into a higher level course? Without understanding you concerns about your ds's math skills, it is hard to answer your questions. Both programs are meant to be full high school courses, not supplemental material. Foerster's strength is word problems. If he has already completed alg 2, you could just have him go through the text completing the word problem and possibly chat tests. Foerster's word problems are all in a single section, so it would be easy vs finding word problems spread throughout multiple sections. I have not seen DO's materials. He has published his own workbooks for the lower levels. I think there are materials for pre-cal, but I am not sure. For pre-cal, the videos follow the Sullivan text. Working through just his videos is time consuming, so don't discount just the video time in your assessment. My son has done Grade 9 last year from local High School and the table of content of Grade 9 were in the pics attached. You can see how much Geometry was included in that curriculum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosepetal Posted February 11, 2019 Author Share Posted February 11, 2019 10 hours ago, 8FillTheHeart said: What is being covered in Math 9 and Math 10? Is there a valid concern in the math education to require completely redoing alg 2 and geometry? Will he be redoing pre-cal 2? When you state get ahead, do you mean skip a class in his school and place into a higher level course? Without understanding you concerns about your ds's math skills, it is hard to answer your questions. Both programs are meant to be full high school courses, not supplemental material. Foerster's strength is word problems. If he has already completed alg 2, you could just have him go through the text completing the word problem and possibly chat tests. Foerster's word problems are all in a single section, so it would be easy vs finding word problems spread throughout multiple sections. I have not seen DO's materials. He has published his own workbooks for the lower levels. I think there are materials for pre-cal, but I am not sure. For pre-cal, the videos follow the Sullivan text. Working through just his videos is time consuming, so don't discount just the video time in your assessment. Currently, my son is doing Grade 10 Maths High School and the curriculum is here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Why are you trying to supplement for your son? Is he bored because it’s too easy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosepetal Posted February 11, 2019 Author Share Posted February 11, 2019 Can we skip Geometry and whatever he has learned and is learning in his High school coursework, would be enough for Advanced courses Algebra 2 and Pre Calculus? We are planning to go for Honours Level DO Algebra 2,so is this a good path for my son? After seeing his last year and this year’s Math curriculum which Math would you suggest? Algebra 2? My daughter is so slow in finishing her school work and doesn’t like Maths. Does AOPS has self paced courses like DO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosepetal Posted February 11, 2019 Author Share Posted February 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Roadrunner said: Why are you trying to supplement for your son? Is he bored because it’s too easy? He wants to do Honours Level Maths work and to get ahead in his High school coursework. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Rosepetal said: He wants to do Honours Level Maths work and to get ahead in his High school coursework. If he wants to challenge himself, I would start with AoPS Intermediate Algebra. This won’t “get you ahead” in terms of linear progression, but will really deepen the math learning. You can progress linearly quicker with DO and along with other traditional math curricula, but they will be at the same level as public school. I guess the question to ask is why are you trying to get him “ahead”? Maybe you should reconsider and go deeper instead. It’s good to understand the motivation of he student. I also want to add that if your son isn’t interested in math heavy major (math/physics) he might just be better off with DO instead of aops. This is going to be an unpopular opinion on this board since AoPS seems to be the default curriculum, but I suggest you think about the motivations before making decisions. Edited February 11, 2019 by Roadrunner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal_Bear Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Glancing through the math curricula that OP posted and that this is a school setting, it looks like her son is an intergrated math sequence. Nothing will line up for her when comparing traditional math courses in the homeschooling world. It will just ocme down to whether or not she is okay with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosepetal Posted February 11, 2019 Author Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, calbear said: Glancing through the math curricula that OP posted and that this is a school setting, it looks like her son is an intergrated math sequence. Nothing will line up for her when comparing traditional math courses in the homeschooling world. It will just ocme down to whether or not she is okay with that. Yes, in Grade 9 & 10 there is Intergrated Math but in Grade 11 he will have Functions and in Grade 12 Advanced Functions and Calculus and Vectors. So which courses do you recommend to do before his Grade 12? Algebra 2 and Pre Calculus? Kindly advice me. Thanks! Edited February 11, 2019 by Rosepetal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) Well if he is in Calculus in grade 12, then it’s precalculus in grade 11, and he is most likely in algebra 2/geometry combo now. What I am saying is this is what’s his school is covering. Edited February 11, 2019 by Roadrunner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal_Bear Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) I'm sorry I have no clue how you would weave in a traditional math progression with a student on an Integrated Math path without there being any holes. I am guessing that this would be an example of what IM3 (his functions class) would cover:Integrated Math III is the third course of a three course sequence. This course utilizes a problemcentered approach and includes content standards from Algebra 1, Geometry, Algebra 2 and Statistics at an intermediate to advanced level including coordinate geometry, circles and other conic sections, binomial distributions, permutations and combinations, exponential and logarithmic functions, rates of change, derivatives, trigonometry and quadratics. The course requires that students further develop the logic needed for abstract problem solving and emphasizes the common core standards through examining polynomial functions, exponents and logs, trigonometric functions (equations and applications) triangle trigonometry (law of sine and cosine) trigonometric addition formulas, and solving trigonometric equations. The second semester examines analytic geometry, polar coordinates, geometric representation of complex numbers, powers of complex numbers, roots of complex numbers, vectors and determinants, sequences, series, limits and iterated functions, and introduction to calculus, including finding derivatives of curves, using derivatives in curve sketching, extreme value problems, and velocity and acceleration. Edited February 11, 2019 by calbear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosepetal Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 This's the curriculum for Grade 11 Functions: Grade 11 Functions Topics: Chapter 1 Introduction to Functions 1.1 Relations and Functions 1.2 Function Notation 1.3 Exploring Properties of Parent Functions 1.4 Range and Domain Mid Chapter Review 1.5 The Inverse Function 1.6 Parent Functions 1.7 Horizontal Stretches, Compressions, and Reflections 1.8 Using Transformations to Graph Functions of the Form y = af[k(x -d)] + c Functions Chapter Review Practice Test Chapter 2 Equivalent Algebraic Expressions 2.1 Adding and Subtracting Polynomials 2.2 Multiplying Polynomials 2.3 Factoring Polynomials 2.4 Simplifying Rational Functions Mid Chapter Review 2.5 Exploring Graphs of Rational Functions 2.6 Multiplying and Dividing Rational Expressions 2.7 Adding and Subtracting Rational Expressions Chapter Polynomials and Rational Review Rational Expression Chapter Test Chapter 3 Quadratic Functions 3.1 Properties of Quadratic Functions 3.2 Determining Maximum and Minimum Values of a Quadratic Function 3.3 The Inverse of a Quadratic Function 3.4 Operations with Radicals Mid Chapter Review 3.5 Quadratic Function Models: Solving Quadratic Equations 3.6 The Zeros of Quadratic Functions 3.7 Families of Quadratic Functions 3.8 Linear-Quadratic Systems Chapter Quadratics Review Practice Test Quadratic Functions Chapter 1 to 3 Review Questions Chapter 4 Exponential Functions 4.1 Exploring Growth and Decay 4.2 Working with Integer Exponents 4.2 Working with Integers Exponents 4.3 Working with Rational Exponents 4.4 Simplifying Algebraic Expressions Involving Exponents Exponent Properties mid Chapter Review 4.5 Exploring the Properties of Exponential Functions 4.6 Transformations of Exponential Functions 4.7 Applications Involving Exponential Functions Chapter Exponential Review Chapter Practice Test Chapter 5 Trigonometric Ratios 5.1 Trig Ratios in Acute Triangles 5.2 Special Angles 5.3 Trig Ratios greater than 90 5.4 Relevant Acute Angles Mid Chapter Review on Trig 5.5 Trig Identities 5.6 Sine Law 5.7 Cosine Law 5.8 Trigonometry 3D problems Chapter Review Chapter Test - in Progress Chapter 6 Sinusoidal Functions 6.1 Periodic Functions 6.2 Investigating Properties of Sinusoidal functions 6.3 Interpreting Sinusoidal Functions Mid Chapter Review 6.4 Exploring Transformation of Sinusoidal functions 6.5 Sketching Sinusoidal Functions 6.6 Investigating Model of Sinusoidal functions 6.7 Solving Problems Using Sinusoidal Chapter Review Chapter Test on Trig Functions Ch 4 to 6 Cumulative Review Chapter 7 Discrete Functions 7.1 Arithmetic Sequence 7.2 Geometric Sequence 7.3 Creating Rules to Define Sequences 7.4 Recursive Sequences 7.5 Arithmetic Series 7.6 Geometric Series 7.7 Pascal's Triangle Chapter Sequences and Series Review Practice Test Chapter 8 Financial Applications 8.1 Simple Interest 8.2 Compound Interest Future Value 8.3 Compound Interest Present Value 8.4 Future Value 8.5 Present Value Could someone point out that which chps are Geometry here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosepetal Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 This's the curriculum for Grade 12 Advanced Functions & Calculus and Vectors : Grade 12 Advanced Functions Topics: Chapter 1 Functions, Characteristics and Properties 1.1 Functions 1.2 Exploring Absolute Value 1.3 Properties of Graphs of Functions Mid Chapter Review on Functions 1.4 Sketching Graphs of Functions 1.5 Inverse Function 1.6 Piecewise Function 1.7 Exploring Operations with Functions Chapter Review Chapter Practice Test on Functions Chapter 2 Functions-Understanding Rates of Change 2.1 Determining Average Rates of Change 2.2 Estimating Instantaneous Rates of Change of Change from Tables of Values and Equations 2.3 Exploring Instantaneous Rates of Change Using Graphs 2.4 Using Rates of Change to Create a Graphical Model 2.5 Solving Problems Involving Rates of Change Chapter Review on Rates of Change Chapter 3 Polynomial Functions 3.1 Exploring Polynomial Function 3.2 Characteristics of Polynomial Functions 3.3 Characteristics of Polynomial Functions in Factored Form 3.4 Transformation of Cubic and Quartic Functions 3.5 Dividing Polynomials 3.6 Factoring Polynomials 3.7 Factoring a Sum of Differences of Cubes Chapter Review Chapter Practice Test Chapter 4 Polynomial Equations and Inequalities 4.1 Solving Polynomial Equations 4.2 Solving Linear Inequalities 4.3 Solving Polynomial Inequalities 4.4 Rates of Change in Polynomial Functions Chapter Review Chapter 5 Rational Functions, Equations, and Inequalities 5.1 Graphs of Reciprocal Functions 5.2 Exploring Quotients of Polynomial Functions 5.3 Graphs of Rational Functions of the form f(x) = (ax + b)/(cx + d) 5.4 Solving Rational Equations 5.5 Solving Rational Inequalities 5.6 Rates of Change in Rational Functions Chapter Review Chapter Test Chapter 6 Trigonometric Functions 6.1 Radian Measure 6.2 Radian Measure and Angles on the Cartesian Plane 6.3 Exploring Graphs of the Primary Trigonometric Functions 6.4 Transformations of Trigonometric Functions 6.5 Exploring Graphs of the Reciprocal Trigonometric Functions 6.6 Modelling with Trigonometric Functions 6.7 Rates of Change in Trigonometric Functions Chapter Review Chapter Test Chapter 7 Trigonometric Identities and Equations 7.1 Exploring Equivalent Trigonometric Functions 7.2 Compound Angle Formulas 7.3 Double Angle Formula 7.4 Proving Trigonometric Identities 7.5 Solving Linear Trigonometric Equations 7.6 Solving Quadratic Trigonometric Equations Chapter Review of Trig Identities and Equations Chapter Test - work in progress Chapter 8 Exponential and Logarithmic Functions 8.1 Exploring the Logarithmic Function 8.2 Transformations of Logarithmic Functions 8.3 Evaluating Logarithms Mid Chapter Review 8.4 Laws of Logarithms 8.5 Solving Exponential Equations 8.6 Tutorials of Solving Logarithmic Equations 8.7 Solving Problems with Exponential and Logarithmic Functions 8.8 Rates of Change in Exponential and Logarithmic Functions Chapter Review for Logs Chapter Test Chapter 9 Combinations of Functions 9.1 Exploring Combinations of Functions 9.2 Tutorials of Combining Two Functions - Sums and Differences 9.3 Tutorials of Combining Two Functions - Products 9.4 Exploring Quotients of Functions 9.5 Composition of Functions 9.6 Techniques for Solving Equations and Inequalities 9.7 Modelling with Functions Grade 12 Calculus and Vectors Topics: Chapter 1 Introduction to Calculus 1.1 Radical Expressions Rationalizing Denominators 1.2 The Slope of a Tangent 1.3 Rates of Change 1.4 Limit of a Function 1.5 Properties of Limits 1.6 Continuity Chapter Review Limits and Continuity Chapter Test Chapter 2 Derivatives 2.1 The Derivative Function 2.2 The Derivatives of Polynomial Functions 2.3 The Product rule 2.4 The Quotient Rule 2.5 Derivative of Composite Functions Chapter Review Derivative Rules Chapter Test Chapter 3 Derivatives and their Applications 3.1 High Order Derivatives, Velocities, and Acceleration 3.2 Max and Min on a Interval 3.3 Optimization Problems 3.4 Optimization in Economics and Science Chapter Review Optimization Chapter Test on Optimization Chapter 4 Curve Sketching 4.1 Increasing and Decreasing Functions 4.2 Critical Points, Local Maxima, Local Minima 4.3 Vertical and Horizontal Asymptotes Graphing Mid Chapter Review 4.4 Concavity and Points of Inflection 4.5 An Algorithm for Curve Sketching Chapter Review Curve Sketching Chapter 5 Derivatives of Exponential and Trigonometric Functions 5.1 Derivatives of Exponential Functions, y=e^x 5.2 Derivative of y =b^x 5.3 Optimization Problems Involving Exponential Functions 5.4 The Derivatives of sinx and cosx 5.5 Derivative of tan(x) 5.6 Chapter Review Log and Trig Functions Cumulative Calculus Review Chapter 6 Introduction to Vectors 6.0 Chapter Pre Req. Review of Trig 6.1 An Introduction to Vectors 6.2 Vector Addition 6.3 Multiplication of a Vector by a Scalar 6.4 Properties of Vectors 6.5 Vectors in 2D and 3D 6.6 Operations with Algebraic Vectors in 2D 6.7 Operation with Vectors in 3D 6.8 Linear Combination and Spanning Sets Introduction to Vectors Chapter Review Chapter 7 Applications of Vectors 7.1 Vectors as Forces 7.2 Vectors as Velocity 7.3 The Dot Product of Two Geometric Vectors 7.4 The Dot Product of Algebraic Vectors Mid Chapter Review 7.5 Scalar and Vector Projections 7.6 The Cross Product of Two Vectors 7.7 Applications of Dot and Cross Product Applications of Vectors Chapter Review Chapter 8 Equations of Lines and Planes 8.1 Vector and Parametric Equations of a Line in 2D 8.2 Cartesian equation of a Line 8.3 Vector, Parametric and Symmetric Equations of a line in 3D 8.4 Vector and Parametric Equations as Plane 8.5 The Cartesian Equation of a Plane 8.6 Sketching Planes in 3D 8.7 Mid Chapter Review Chapter Review Chapter Test Chapter 9 Relations between Points, Lines and Planes 9.1 The intersection of a Line with a Plane and the Intersection of Two Lines 9.2 System of Equations 9.3 The Intersection of Two Planes 9.4 The Intersection of Three Planes 9.5 The Distance from a Point to a Line in R2 9.6 The Distance from a Point to a Plane Relations between Points, Lines and Planes Chapter Review Relations between Points, Lines and Planes Test Vectors Cumulative Review Chapter 10 Appendix 10.1 Implicit Differentiation 10.2 Related Rates 10.3 Derivative of Natural Logs 10.4 Derivative of Log Functions 10.5 Derivative of Log or Exponent that Requires Implicit Could someone point out that which chps are Geometry here? 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Roadrunner Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Are you abroad? What textbooks is he using at school? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosepetal Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 35 minutes ago, Roadrunner said: Are you abroad? What textbooks is he using at school? Yes, in Canada. The school is using Nelson Mathematics series from Grade 9-12 here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, Rosepetal said: Yes, in Canada. The school is using Nelson Mathematics series from Grade 9-12 here. OK. I was surprised to see Calculus along with other material in grade 12. They seem to cover all the material in their own sequence, different than in the states. If I were you, I would contact Derek Owens and see if he can do a placement test for your son and go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosepetal Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) As there are so many experienced and Maths expert ladies here so can they help me in taking out the Geometry and Pre Calculus topics in these Grade 11 and 12 course content? I am totally helpless..... Anyone can pm me if they don’t mind helping! Thanks! Edited February 12, 2019 by Rosepetal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicentra Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Hi Rosepetal, Based on the curriculum, are you in Ontario? 🙂 That's where I am and where I've taught in the public high school system. It's also where I went to high school. 🙂 If your son has done Grades 9 and 10 Academic math, then he will have covered most of what is in a Geometry course in the States. The Grade 11 Functions course and the Grade 12 Advanced Functions course together will be more or less equivalent to a Pre-Calculus course. And Calculus is Calculus. 🙂 Having said that, though, much will depend on the school he is currently at. As you know, all public schools are not equal and there are schools and teachers who simply don't cover everything that they are supposed to in any given course for a variety of reasons. If your son is strong in math, he should be able to start Derek Owens Pre-Calculus course after finishing his Grade 10 Academic math. If there are any gaps in knowledge, they should be small and he should be able to either reason through them or find short videos on those topics on Khan Academy - if his Grade 10 math course is thorough. 🙂 Hope that helps! Connie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosepetal Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Dicentra said: Hi Rosepetal, Based on the curriculum, are you in Ontario? 🙂 That's where I am and where I've taught in the public high school system. It's also where I went to high school. 🙂 If your son has done Grades 9 and 10 Academic math, then he will have covered most of what is in a Geometry course in the States. The Grade 11 Functions course and the Grade 12 Advanced Functions course together will be more or less equivalent to a Pre-Calculus course. And Calculus is Calculus. 🙂 Having said that, though, much will depend on the school he is currently at. As you know, all public schools are not equal and there are schools and teachers who simply don't cover everything that they are supposed to in any given course for a variety of reasons. If your son is strong in math, he should be able to start Derek Owens Pre-Calculus course after finishing his Grade 10 Academic math. If there are any gaps in knowledge, they should be small and he should be able to either reason through them or find short videos on those topics on Khan Academy - if his Grade 10 math course is thorough. 🙂 Hope that helps! Connie Dicentra, Thankyou very much for easing me! One thing to ask that in Ontario Maths when school board covers Algebra 2 (USA)?In Grade 10 and Gr 11 of Ontario Public Schools? Can my son skip DO Geometry course? Whatever Geometry he has learned in his school Grade 9 and 10,will that be good enough for DO Pre Calculus course? Would this sequence looks good- DO Algebra 2 ———DO Pre Calculus ———DO Calculus? We want to do Geometry course also, but due to time constraints we have to choose the accelerated path. Thanks!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicentra Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 As I mentioned previously, much will depend on how thorough his public school math classes have been. You can sign him up for DO Algebra 2, try it for a month (Derek Owens charges per month of access), and see how he does. If he seems to be comfortable, then I think your sequence above is fine. Algebra 2 in the US is probably mostly covered over the course of Grade 9 and 10 Academic math with some not being covered until Grade 11 Functions (I'm thinking in particular of roots and logarithms). If you have your son start with DO Algebra 2 after Grade 10 Academic math, that should be fine. If you really are looking for enrichment, though, AoPS would be a good curriculum to look at. The courses there are not going to be comparable to other curriculae. In other words, AoPS Intermediate Algebra is going to be more rigorous and go deeper than Algebra 2 in another curriculum. This is the placement test for AoPS Intermediate Algebra: https://data.artofproblemsolving.com//products/diagnostics/intermediate-algebra-pretest.pdf All that to say - don't be worried if you decide to go with AoPS and your son seems to need to go back a bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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