SEGway Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) Has anyone paired these (pdf, reproducible, $10) workbooks with the HIG/textbook for standards or US edition? Is there a good reason why that wouldn't work. Also, I searched and couldn't find discussion of Frank Shaffer's Challenge workbooks in comparison with either FAN Math Process Skills or Singapore's CWP. It's so much cheaper (and did I mention reuseable...) that I'm wondering what about this "too good to be true" is. TIA Sarah Edited May 31, 2017 by SEGway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEGway Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) Here are links: http://www.carsondellosa.com/products/704681--Singapore-Math-704681#/?book media type=f389e45b92884d48844baaf09d49e3c5 http://www.carsondellosa.com/products/704280--Singapore-Math-Challenge-Workbook-704280#/?book media type=f389e45b92884d48844baaf09d49e3c5 Edited May 30, 2017 by SEGway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEGway Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 Also...I can't seem to figure out how to edit the title of the thread. I meant Carson-Dellosa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underthebridge Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I haven't used them, but I did buy 70 Must Know Word Problems for grade 1, which appears to be related. http://www.carsondellosa.com/products/0768240115--70-Must-Know-Word-Problems-Workbook-0768240115#/?book%20media%20type=f389e45b92884d48844baaf09d49e3c5 I didn't care for the workbook and we ended up not using it at all because the problems were watered down versions of those in CWP 1. The language used in the word problems was very simple and repetitive. Every problem was x more than y or how many were left. There were also no problems about time, money, distance, ordinal numbers or anything other than quantities of balls, cars, etc. Perhaps the other books in the series are better, but this book definitely was inferior to CWP and IP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEGway Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 I haven't used them, but I did buy 70 Must Know Word Problems for grade 1, which appears to be related. http://www.carsondellosa.com/products/0768240115--70-Must-Know-Word-Problems-Workbook-0768240115#/?book%20media%20type=f389e45b92884d48844baaf09d49e3c5 I didn't care for the workbook and we ended up not using it at all because the problems were watered down versions of those in CWP 1. The language used in the word problems was very simple and repetitive. Every problem was x more than y or how many were left. There were also no problems about time, money, distance, ordinal numbers or anything other than quantities of balls, cars, etc. Perhaps the other books in the series are better, but this book definitely was inferior to CWP and IP. Thanks for the review! I couldn't see much of a preview for that series because it was a print-only option. I appreciate the information. The series that I could see (most of the book) were the Singapore Math and Singapore Challenge Math. I'm wondering if anyone else has compared them to US edition workbooks and FAN Math Process Skills, respectively. And, if they would work comparably well. Any one else? Thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 They're 50% off now till August. I was looking at them. I haven't seen SM in ages but they look like I remember. The complete workbook is in the preview if someone has it to compare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underthebridge Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 I flipped through the preview of both books. I don't think these are as good as the SM books, to be honest. The word problems are simpler in language and there are many more drill type questions than are in the SM books (CWP and IP, I haven't seen the EP books). For grade 3, I judge workbooks by how they handle fractions. I may have missed it, but I didn't see any at all in the Singapore Math Challenge workbook, and there were no word problems on fractions in Singapore Math Level 3. I'm not saying these books are not good, but the SM books are just very well done. In addition, there is much more explicit instruction on how to do the problems in these workbooks - this can be good and bad depending on your preference. There is also much more white space, which is great for students to work out problems. There is very little white space in IP and CWP, which can be annoying, but then again, you get more questions! The Carson Dellosa books are long, but they probably contain equal or fewer number of problems compared to SM. Hope this helps. I am biased because I am such a fan of CWP and IP (especially IP), so go with what works for you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) Underthebridge, are you saying they're different editions or totally different authors/programs/systems? CD is also selling ebooks that say CWP and something else I think. But I really didn't snoop enough to figure out if they're the same authors as the regular SM or different. Like is SM a trademarked name, or is everything Singapore Math if it's inspired by or coming from there?? Edited May 31, 2017 by OhElizabeth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneStepAtATime Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Also...I can't seem to figure out how to edit the title of the thread. I meant Carson-Dellosa. Edit your original post by hitting the edit button on that post. That will give you access to editing the title. HTH. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Ok, mystery solved! It's totally different. Here's a thread where they parsed it out before. http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/349504-singapore-math-practice-books-at-costco/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underthebridge Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Ok, mystery solved! It's totally different. Here's a thread where they parsed it out before. http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/349504-singapore-math-practice-books-at-costco/ Wow, that was quite a thread to read through! Reading it reminded me of a few other good points about the Carson Dellosa books. They had a nice section in both workbooks that detailed the learning goals. There were more worked out examples at the beginning of each section (five in Frank Schaffer vs two or three in CWP) There were also suggestions for mental math techniques and reinforcement - for example, 101 x number is explained as 100 x number + number *1 This is followed by several practice problems using this tactic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEGway Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) Thanks, OhE, for finding the older thread! I think I'm clear that these are not tied in any official way to the Primary Mathematics books. They (this series, at least....) do look similar enough to me to the US edition version of the PM workbooks to be useable....especially if I'm teaching the actual material with the HIG/textbook (I have standard ed. for the HIG/tb) and just finding the right section for my student to do to go along with the lesson. I don't think the Challenge workbooks are really in the same class with Primary Mathematics CWP....but, as I keep looking at them they do seem to be roughly on par with the FAN Math Process skills books, imo....demonstrating standard and alternate strategies that aid in mental math and then giving sections of practice to cement understanding of the method. Extended illustrations of the usefulness of bar diagrams has helped at our house. So...not a replacement for IP or CWP...but, maybe a helpful middle option to help a student get ready for CWP without being completely frustrated by practicing different strategies before putting them to use with harder problems. Has anyone actually used either of these books? I'd love to hear from you, too! Edited May 31, 2017 by SEGway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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