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I am doing MCT Grammar Town with dd11 this year. We have got to verbal phrases and are finding it confusing, really just participial phrases.

Here is the sentence that is confusing:

 

Eating the pizza, Roberto laughed at the dog.

adj. adj. n. n. v. prp. adj. n.s

partic. phrase

 

I don't get why eating is classified as an adj. Also in the book he says that participial phrases are adjectives but my dh (an English teacher) says that in this case he would call it an adverbial participial phrase which is modifying 'laughed'.

 

I would be very grateful for any explanations as it has really stumped us and my grammar loving dd is now not so loving it.

 

Thanks,

Trenna

 

ETA - sorry about the labeling under the words -didn't format how it should.

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I am doing MCT Grammar Town with dd11 this year. We have got to verbal phrases and are finding it confusing, really just participial phrases.

Here is the sentence that is confusing:

 

Eating the pizza, Roberto laughed at the dog.

adj. adj. n. n. v. prp. adj. n.s

partic. phrase

 

I don't get why eating is classified as an adj. Also in the book he says that participial phrases are adjectives but my dh (an English teacher) says that in this case he would call it an adverbial participial phrase which is modifying 'laughed'.

 

I would be very grateful for any explanations as it has really stumped us and my grammar loving dd is now not so loving it.

 

Thanks,

Trenna

 

ETA - sorry about the labeling under the words -didn't format how it should.

 

Participial phrases can be adjectives or adverbs, depending on what they're modifying. Is "eating the pizza" modifying "Richard" or "laughed"? I'd argue that it's telling us something about Richard, not about his laughter, so I'd say it's an adjectival phrase - the participle in the phrase is then labeled according to what the whole phrase is. Since the phrase is adjectival, the participle is labeled an adjective. Introductory participial phrases usually modify the subject of the sentence.

 

A present participle (like eating) can also be used as a noun, but then it's called a gerund and the phrase would be a gerund phrase - as in the sentence "Eating pizza was Robert's favorite pastime." Then "eating" would be labeled a noun.

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Participial phrases can be adjectives or adverbs, depending on what they're modifying. Is "eating the pizza" modifying "Richard" or "laughed"? I'd argue that it's telling us something about Richard, not about his laughter, so I'd say it's an adjectival phrase - the participle in the phrase is then labeled according to what the whole phrase is. Since the phrase is adjectival, the participle is labeled an adjective. Introductory participial phrases usually modify the subject of the sentence.

 

I can see the pt of the OP b/c when I read the sentence I read it as telling when he laughed, not the pizza-eating boy.

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I can see the pt of the OP b/c when I read the sentence I read it as telling when he laughed, not the pizza-eating boy.

 

I could see that interpretation - but I'd probably write it "While eating the pizza" if I wanted it to mean when he laughed. I did see it as pizza-eating boy. :) One could make a good argument for either interpretation, I think.

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Thanks for the explanations. It has helped to know that if the phrase is adjectival then the participal is labelled accordingly.

 

So I think what you are both saying is that either way could be correct? If you choose to label it as an adverbial participial phrase then you would also label eating as an adverb, is that right?

 

Thanks,

Trenna

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Yes, the participle in an adverbial phrase is labeled as an adverb, and the participle in an adjectival phrase is labeled as an adjective.

 

 

Thanks for this. It makes sense to me now and I'll be able to tell dd that the phrase could be interpreted either as adjective or adverb. Hopefully this will get us back on track.

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I think that matroyshka's pt about it being at the beginning of the sentence and that participles normally modify the noun following it is the key to the explanation.

 

Here is a site that has a good explanation for it being an adj:

http://www.edmondschools.net/Portals/0/docs/ParticipialPhrases.pdf

 

ETA: I went to look for an example of what I was thinking about in one of my grammar books, and apparently, I am completely confused. (a normal occurrence these days!!) The 3 that I looked in stated that participles always act as adjs. So, accept my apology for confusing you! (I'm not sure why I was thinking that they could act as adverbs.)

 

Purdue Owl is one of my most trusted sources and here is the info from their website:

http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/627/02/

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I think that this is one of those areas where it is going to depend on who is teaching and how. I think that matroyshka's pt about it being at the beginning of the sentence and that participles normally modify the noun following it is the key to the explanation. (though I have seen in some grammar books where that is not taught. THere are times when more than one answer is the acceptable answer. )

 

Here is a site that has a good explanation for it being an adj:

http://www.edmondschools.net/Portals/0/docs/ParticipialPhrases.pdf

 

Your link, as you know, has support for the phrase functioning as an adjective. Do you (or anyone else) have evidence or support for teaching the phrase might also function as an adverb?

 

Bill

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ETA: I went to look for an example of what I was thinking about in one of my grammar books, and apparently, I am completely confused. (a normal occurrence these days!!) The 3 that I looked in stated that participles always act as adjs. So, accept my apology for confusing you! (I'm not sure why I was thinking that they could act as adverbs.)

 

Purdue Owl is one of my most trusted sources and here is the info from their website:

http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/627/02/

 

Sorry we cross posted.

 

Bill

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At lunch, the kids were chatting. A dog came up to them and begged for food. Eating the pizza, the boy looked at the dog and laughed. Then he called the dog to his side.

 

Eating the pizza identifies which boy is looking at the dog so that means it's an adj. phrase, right?

 

 

The boy and the dog played together all morning. After a while they got hungry. The dog found a bone and gnawed on it. Eating the pizza, the boy looked at the dog and laughed.

 

The phrase, eating the pizza, shows that the boy was laughing while he was eating. That sounds like an adverbial phrase to me in this case.

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I am a middle school English teacher and can see no way that the phrase is adverbial. Eating the pizza is definitely telling about the boy which makes it an adjective phrase I would like to understand how it could be an adverb phrase?

 

If you change the phrase to a one word participal that is slightly different, the fact that it is an adjective phrase might be more clear. "Smiling, the boy looked at the dog and laughed." It seems obvious to me that it is the boy who is described as smiling and not the laughter.

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Just got back and saw these answers. MCT, in Grammar Town, states that participial phrases are adjectives. I'll have to look at the links that 8fillstheheart posted, haven't done that yet. I'll have to see if I can ask the ? on the yahoo group. The thing that was particularly confusing me was labeling 'Eating' as an adjective in the 1st level but that seems to make sense if it's because it is an adjectival phrase.

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