5LittleMonkeys Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Have any of you using JAG\AG do any type of grammar in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd grades before you start JAG? I was considering using FLL\WWE for my dd1st next year but don't want her to be bored by the time we get to JAG. Is it necessary to do grammar with a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd grader? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdeveson Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Very little. Ds knew nouns and pronouns. I never bothered with grammar until fifth grade. We started JAG this year and are almost done -- he now knows exactly what he would know if I'd badgered him with grammar all these years. Glad I didn't waste the time -- there's just not that much to know. Next year we'll begin AG more or less at the recommended pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacy in NJ Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) We did FLL and then Evan Moore's Grammar and Punctuation workbook prior to and along with JAG. They were an easy intro for a smooth transition. ETA, FYI, I really love JAG (and AG), but JAG covers the 8 parts of speech and diagraming, not sentences, phrases, clauses or punctuation. I recommend that you incorporate punctuation instruction via a workbook or copywork/dictation along with JAG. Edited December 11, 2009 by Stacy in NJ more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekarl2 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Just wanted to give my two cents here. Hope you don't mind. JAG/AG is FORMAL grammar study. We never say not to do INFORMAL study prior to our program. I for one plan to do FLL with my little ones before beginning our programs. FLL and the like cover a multitude of language arts topics, not just grammar. JAG will not be redundant; it's a completely different, formal take on grammar from an analytical level. (FYI - My mom wrote JAG/AG.) Blessings, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siloam Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 I go through FLL 1/2 starting in 2nd grade. I don't do it as scripted, but just cover the big ideas. Heather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine State Sue Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 We used LLATL in 2nd/3rd/4th and Shurley in 5th before I discovered AG. FLL didn't exist back then. If I could do it all over again, I'd probably use FLL or nothing beforehand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather in VA Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 You don't need to do anything else before hand. You can if you want but it isn't necessary. I did with both of my older kids mostly because I didn't know about JAG/AG until we'd already done other grammar. This year I have my middle dd doing Shurley between JAG and AG just to keep it fresh. I really don't need to and probably will let it go as we do more grammar in Homer. I hadn't planned on any with my youngest until we did some in WT1 and WT2 (it's there so I wouldn't be doing something separate) but I panicked at the last minute. Ends up we aren't really doing much anyway. I never seem to get to it. About the comment that you need punctuation and phrase, clause etc stuff in addition to JAG - you really don't. It's covered in AG and it's covered last in AG for a reason. To truly, properly understand how phrases, clauses and punctuation (especially commas) work and where they go, you have to understand the grammar. It's an excellent session and my oldest really got a good understanding of all of that stuff. Heather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori in MS Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 I do FLL 1-4 in 2nd to 5th grade and then AG 6-8. I found that my dc made the transition easily and didn't need JAG. They did find it very helpful to already have the definitions memorized from FLL before doing AG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacy in NJ Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Erin, Is there any chance that you or Robin will write a season 2 and 3 to JAG? I would love to have a phrases/clauses and punctuation season for JAG similar to AG. Just a thought. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekarl2 Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Erin, Is there any chance that you or Robin will write a season 2 and 3 to JAG? I would love to have a phrases/clauses and punctuation season for JAG similar to AG. Just a thought. :-) Actually, next winter's plan is to write a JAG Mechanics. It will cover basic punctuation and usage issues. We won't be covering phrases and clauses (other than prepositional, of course), though. We teach for mastery (as our users know) and verbal phrases and subordinate clauses are just too analytically difficult in our opinion to cover in elementary school. I'm excited about JAG Mechanics, though; I think it's going to be great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacy in NJ Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 (edited) Actually, next winter's plan is to write a JAG Mechanics. It will cover basic punctuation and usage issues. We won't be covering phrases and clauses (other than prepositional, of course), though. We teach for mastery (as our users know) and verbal phrases and subordinate clauses are just too analytically difficult in our opinion to cover in elementary school. I'm excited about JAG Mechanics, though; I think it's going to be great! That's wonderful to hear. :001_smile: Will you be working on it next winter, or will it be completed by next winter? No pressure of course. I'd like to be able to use it with my 5th grader. Edited December 12, 2009 by Stacy in NJ more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekarl2 Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 That's wonderful to hear. :001_smile: Will you be working on it next winter, or will it be completed by next winter? No pressure of course. I'd like to be able to use it with my 5th grader. This winter is the university edition of AG (a one-semester grammar course for incoming freshman). So NEXT winter (2010-11) is the JAG Mechanics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacy in NJ Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 This winter is the university edition of AG (a one-semester grammar course for incoming freshman). So NEXT winter (2010-11) is the JAG Mechanics. Okay. Thanks again, Erin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5LittleMonkeys Posted December 12, 2009 Author Share Posted December 12, 2009 Thanks to all of you for your responses. It was very interesting to me to hear that Erin will be using FLL prior to using the AG programs. I wish family members of the writers of all my curriculum choices were on this forum.:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalanamak Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 I'm chugging through the first two books of GWG for second grade, but I'm killing two birds with one stone. It is the only thing I have he can really do on his own, once we get the book open, and I'm sure he can pronounce any new words, like synonym. He enjoys it, he does some independent work, he learns a few words along the way. It only takes 10 minutes a day. I intend to move over to JAG or AG at the appropriate age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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