I have learned so much from these wise ladies here over years. :iagree:

Not the same situation but I have done the bolded as well. I have grown a lot since then, both in my faith (better theology) and I hope as a friend. I have also learned to trust people's perceptions of what they are going through. Yes, there are liars and fakes but in my personal experiences (not global obviously) they are by far the minority.

I think she does. I'm not her but I think she is saying that we need to keep an atmosphere where women (and men) can come forward and say they were raped and ask for justice. While the false accusations are deplorable they are not a reason to force victims back into silence. Again those are my words not hers.

Okay I have 'liked' and commented on three of your posts in a row. You might be my new best friend. :seeya:

:hurray: :hurray: :hurray: Yep...nope not fair...about there has been little about the 'don't get raped' attitude that has been fair to date.

Yes, Mrs D brought the 'dad's opinions' into the discussion. This would then get Clare and friends in an uproar over being judged. My first thought was that Mrs D either has limited experience with teen girls in groups or she is accustomed to the behavior of a small subset of teen girls (possibly at her church). I of course do not know Mrs D. so this is supposition. Pretty much the entire way she handled it would have had my dd raring for a fight. My dd does obey rules that are presented clearly and explained, (she's a great kid and I like her the way she is ) but at that age a subjective judgement of 'provocative dancing' would have received a 'whatever'. :001_rolleyes: This would then get authoritative adults in an uproar and escalate from there. :banghead: Really, are they familiar with teens at all.

She might, some cats seem to get infected easier than others. The pills are not expensive and you do not have to go the the vet. After years of being around stables we learned that there are some animals you just have to hit with a wormer on a regular schedule. Get two pills and do the 'give a pill wait x weeks give second pill' routine. I have had many cats in my life but only this one have ever had this problem twice. huh? It's a good thing she is a sweetheart. :001_smile:

yes but cats do not pre-"furr" it. ha ha - sorry I haven't had my coffee yet and I could not resist :svengo:

That made me laugh. I don't know why the old classic fairy tales just aren't popular anymore. People don't seem to remember the old nursery rhymes either. :mellow:

That's fantastic! Does your whole family work together at it? I have seen people with fancy labels but never really thought about where they might get them.

Yay! for 4Hers and the adults that teach them. :hurray: younger dd did the fashion competition and went to State twice, it really really helped her develop her personal style

What conventions do they do? My daughter and I do the local one and she has gone to Orlando and Phoenix for comic conventions. I love to see the costumes the attendees wear. wow... some of them are works of art

The Advantage drops are good for outside and inside. You may have to treat more often if they live outside. You might also get some type of spray to treat the area where they sleep. I don't use sprays so I am not familiar with what is out there. Quick warning: do not use the Hartz stuff it can be harmful to cats

A couple of years ago I went to a comic convention with my daughter. There were many cosplayers there including some furrys. The comic con was on the third floor of a convention center. At the same time there was a church convention going on (I did not catch the denomination) on the second floor of the convention center. Because the first two floors are connected by escalators with an escalator or elevator from there, the cosplayers ended up walking through the same hallways as the church crowd all day long. Everyone co-existed nicely.

She did mention that she and her friends behaved badly as they were leaving in the original post. So there is no contradictory information there. I did try to google, the stories are mostly the same and I only found the same side view with finger tips photo and the photo in the car. Where did you find other pictures? I am willing to believe she is telling her view point on the evening. I am willing to believe that she felt everyone was staring, most people and certainly teens, feel everyone is looking at them, especially if she was already self conscious after the encounter with Mrs. D. She specifically mentioned in the original post that she was told the dad's were complaining. Yes, she might be over dramatic but I doubt she pulling things out of thin air.

I have 5 cats and live in Florida (yikes fleas). I buy Advantage for large dogs and use a vial and dosage syringe to divide it between the five of them. Do not use Advantix for dogs, it has an ingredient that is harmful to cats. You can find the dosage chart for dog flea meds converted to cats by cat weight online. It is MUCH cheaper that way. It works well for all but one cat . One cat just insists on getting fleas matter what I do. Like that kid that always gets eaten up by mosquitos. :glare: I usually hit her with extra drops on a more frequent basis. Warning: if you cats have fleas and consumes the fleas by chewing and licking at them the cat can get tapeworm. You can get cheap tapeworm pills for cats at Feed Stores like Tractor Supply. Yes, special girl gets tapeworms too. sigh The fleas in my part of Florida are resistant to Frontline, it is a waste of money here.

Good topics. 1 - because I believe many rules are different for adults than for children. Adult child wants to be nude in place it is not illegal ... fine with me. Adult male or female shows up nude in front of other adults (again somewhere it is not illegal) also fine by me. Adult nudity in front of children (outside of certain families who are all nudists) - nope. 2 - The hypothetical 'sluts' t-shirt? America has freedom of speech but not freedom from the consequences of that speech. If I saw a man wearing that I would choose not to hire him, purchase from him or associate with him. The last might not bother him but the first two might. Again, short of advocating violence he is free to 'say' what he wants but he is not free from how society responds. "sluts deserve rape" is nearly advocating violence (fine line) but is still an opinion. "rape the sluts" is advocating violence. Does that make sense? ETA: if a man or woman walked down the street naked it probably violates a law and they can be arrested. If a man or woman walks around a 'clothing optional' beach, it is not violating a law and if I am offended I need to find another beach. ETA2 - there is something in there I want to say about authority figures and power differential, but for some reason my "express myself clearly without visual hand gestures and vocal tones" is malfunctioning . sorry (I use my hands a lot when I talk :o so I try to be very precise when typing) Perhaps someone else can flesh it out.

At 15 no I would not be ok. At 18 or up, maybe...I'm not sure. hmmm ...depends on the place and situation. I am in fact speaking from quasi-experience. One of my girls attended a school that was known for its optional nudity. :glare: Yes, we knew this before sending her there. The students there held "topless equality" days during the spring. I never asked if she participated or not, she was old enough to choose for herself. I would occasionally see the notices from the school administration that on such and such a day there would be prospies (prospective students) on campus and to please wearing clothing. :lol: ETA: This college also encourages the students to wear costumes to graduation (no cap and gown). The only rule is that you must wear 'something'.

sorry, that turn of phrase made me spit my coffee. :leaving: maybe I've spent too much time on this thread.

Very well said

I already "liked" it, but I feel this post needs special acknowledgement. :wub:

That is a bit of a stretch. It's great that you have a supportive husband, I do too and it is wonderful to know I had the ability to teach my girls. :) But homeschool dads are really not that much different than non-homeschool dads. I have met nice supportive ones and creepy ones of both kinds. You don't say your kids ages, or at least I didn't see it, so I don't know how much you have dealt with teen girls (maybe you have, I dont know). I have stated before that I have had run-ins with unreasonable adults, I have also had run-ins with overly dramatic teens. sigh...this girls story rings true to me. I will give the dads the benefit of the doubt since the whole thing could have been Mrs. D's opinion not theirs. On a side note...of the many many reasons to either go to college or avoid college fear of false accusations of rape isn't even on the list.

Fresh sudoku books :) Iced coffee from the Kenyan Coffee booth at the Farmer's Market A breeze through the door carrying a whiff of the jasmine outside (but not the jasmine up close - way too strong - yikes) a purring cat phones with my girls relearning to knit

what? seriously? no no no just no You protect young women by telling young men that they are responsible for controlling their own behavior and that rape is wrong. If they were certain that they were 'rescuing' this young lady they should have formed a tag team to take her home. Somehow, kicking her out into the night is Okay? ETA: Sorry Sadie my sarcasm detector must be failing. I apologize for the hasty reaction.

Not enough LIKES on the ENTIRE planet for how much I like this post.