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I actually do a "split day". We school from 8-10 and then from 2-4. (Rigorously... there are other educational things done throughout the day of course.) I like to get our math and reading done while ds is "fresh" in the morning.
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I truly am not trying to quibble here, but I feel I should clarify... The last sentence of my previous post wasn't clear. What I meant to say was, "Where you and I differ is whether *spanking as a tool for training very young children to sit still in church* is a biblical, gracious use of spanking." I wasn't only referring to this particular situation.
I understood that you thought this particular situation may have been too much, and that you wouldn't do it in this way. But I actually have to disagree with the entire trend of physically punishing children to get them to sit still and quiet in church. I have friends who do this, who are good, god-seeking parents, but I just don't agree with that particular practice myself.
The only reason I am posting again, is because one of Colleen's original questions was, would this bother you, and why? Because truthfully, if the spanking had taken place because a child had bitten someone, or said something purposely mean to another person, or thrown a fit on the floor, etc., I wouldn't have had as much of a problem with it. (Though the spankings themselves sounded like they were harder than they should have been, and there should have been a good talk afterwards.)
But I think the thing that bothered me *most* was that this took place simply because parents wanted a child to sit still and silent during a church service.
Erica
Agreeing here. I have a really tough time with this. Jugglin'5, it makes me really sad that you are spanking 18 month old children so they will sit still in a 1.5 hour long church service. (Please correct me if I misunderstood your post, that sounds like a fact to me).
My SIL has been coming to me for counsel about her future child-rearing as she has a 6 month infant. Her reaction to the discipline that goes on in the church nursery tells me most of the parents in my church have no grasp of appropriate child training. Her comment was that she felt like telling the woman who slapped her five year old around..."That must not be working, don't you think?" because he obviously was not responding to that method.
I wonder if parents of preschoolers who carry them out wailing realize how much that grieves many who are witness? How much it grieves the anointing of the Spirit on the service? How much more I receive from a service where a little child squirms and makes faces than one where I witness this kind of interruption!
(Lest I come across wrong, I have used spanking as a tool, however ITA that spanking as a way to make children sit still in church is usually inappropriate.)
ETA: I am not meaning to insinuate that Jugglin5 would slap her children around.
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I was! Just from grade 9-12, though. My younger brother was luckier, he was homeschooled from grade 2-12. I attended a local Amish school for grades 1-8.
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No. BUT I think the right to a DECENT education that prepares a student to SUCCEED in college is a birthright - and most American kids are not getting it!!!!
Agreed! :iagree:
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My husband does not have a college degree, but he is a skilled lineman. I don't think that lack of college education equals inability to compete in a global market.
ITA, and those three little letters are inadequate to describe just exactly how much I do agree.
I believe the value of sitting in college classrooms is highly overrated. There are many self-educated successful people doing a wonderful job competing in a global market. There are many badly educated college graduates who cannot compete in a global market.
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I agree, I wouldn't do anything written with him yet. That said, my 3.5 yo begs to "do schoolwork mommy." So I am doing WinterPromise I'm Ready to Learn but ignoring the schedule. We just do "the next thing" whenever we get a chance. I also let him play around with About Three workbooks and R&S ABC workbooks.
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If you wanted to use it for science only, it would be really easy to leave out the read-aloud stories, art and some of the crafts. I'd hate to leave all of them out though as they're a lot of fun. We loved the program and I plan to use it again when my younger is old enough.
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I don't think most 18-year-olds are anywhere near adult in decision-making. Brains don't fully mature until the early 20s. So I have no problem dictating that they at least A) stay in formal schooling until they are 18, and B) get at least a bachelor's unless they have a darned good reason not to.
I wish you the best of success in your "dictating" (seriously, I'm not being sarcastic here). The 19 to 24 year old people of my acquaintance don't take kindly to this kind of dictation. It can be the cause of elopements, college drop-outs and family estrangements. Hopefully it won't in your case.
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Do you require all your children to finish K?
How about 4th grade?
How about 8th?
How about high school?
Exactly how is requiring college less healthy and realistic than that?
I am 4th-generation college educated in my family. I also have some of the the LEAST formal education of my family, with a mere bachelor's and change. (Mom: PhD, Dad: MS, Grandmother: MS, Grandfather: JD, Great-Grandfather: MA, others had seminary degrees....) Just like it's beyond question to most families that their kids will at least finish 8th grade to reach minimum education, minimum education in our family is defined at the BS/BA level. In today's world, it's incredibly realistic!
I'm also a 4th generation college educated woman, WITH a master's degree. However, getting that was my own choice. The part that didn't seem realistic to me was the not "ALLOWING" an adult person to choose a route other than college. IMNSHO anybody who believes they can control a 19-23 year old adult is unrealistic. I also believe it's an unhealthy attitude. I have two brothers who are very prosperous construction interior contractors. Expecting them to go to college would have been counterproductive.
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Rose, that sickens me. How anyone can use the Bible to authorize themselves to do *anything* of that nature mystifies me.
My point was that I appreciated my parents' encouraging me to keep my options open and not plan on a marriage that might or might not happen.
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I can't contrast it with TWTM because I've never done strictly TWTM.
The grammar worksheets made by WP are similarly gentle to FLL's grammar.
WP LA is pretty traditional, workbook based, it includes phonics, reading comprehension, spelling lists and so forth. We love the readers. The traditional workbook style appeals to me and feels "solid".
I did miss out on the poetry memorization, picture study, and narration of FLL. (WP has narration, but it's style is different from FLL. I think I prefer FLL's style of reading the child a fable and then having the child narrate it back). In some ways I wish I had continued FLL in place of the WP grammar. At the time we switched over from FLL I was feeling like we weren't doing "enough" with just that, but once I added Pathway readers/workbooks and a writing program it seemed like "too much."
One great aspect of WP LA is that it's all scheduled and I don't need to worry about "missing something."
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We recently "tried on" a different church for about 6 months. Our reason for considering (actually following through for a short while) a switch was that our church has grown to the point there was no Sunday School for several weeks because the SS rooms were full of adult congregation. A side benefit of the switch was a more progressive style of sermon and more modern worship service.
However! We were not able to agree with the doctrine of the new church in the long haul. The "straw that broke the camel's back" was a sermon encouraging us to "shun" those who did not follow the church doctrine. Ick.
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That quote makes me wonder about his definition of "well-educated." Many people believe homeschoolers can't possibly be well-educated because they haven't been subjected to 13 or more years of public school propaganda and "socialization."
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I just had a thought. I would imagine high school teachers are most likely to get homeschool transfers who weren't doing well in a homeschool setting either. It is equivalent to judging high school students by the qualities of dropouts.
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I did HOH K (5yo) level a couple of years ago and we really enjoyed it. You're right, it includes everything you listed except literature. We didn't do the whole year, because my ds learned to read in January and at that point the HOH began to seem babyish.
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Oddly enough, my good friend who started off with Abeka DVD all the way is switching to a more interactive eclectic program this year so they can be more "laid back." IMHO school is going to take a lot longer if the kiddos have to watch a video before beginning the active portion of their lesson. Most parts of our lessons are "the active portion".
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I did have experience in a classroom before college (elem school was Amish), so maybe I don't count... but as a homeschooled through high school graduate, my biggest problem fitting in with my classmates was knowing enough to keep my hand out of the air and my mouth shut occasionally so that I didn't make the rest of the class look bad.
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My issue isn't the education itself. My beef with college for girls is sending them away from the family to become very independent single adults, not being under the protection of their father. I honestly don't think sending young girls away from home is an ideal situation. I think there needs to be authority in our lives to protect us from evil. Girls/Women are so easily deceived. I know I was when I left home to go to college, I was taken advantage of by employers and boyfriends alike. It was not a safe place and I don't want my daughters in the same compromising situations I was in as a young girl. Thankfullly, I met my future husband and he was the protection I needed.
I honestly think higher education can be really good for girls but I would like them to be under their father's protection and live at home while pursuing their education. :)
I also sing the praises of a commuter campus whenever it is logical, for both genders. That is the way I earned my degree.
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My mom's friend says that her daughter will go to college, no questions asked, and she will not "allow" her to refuse to go to college. Not sure how that will work when her kid becomes an adult, but that's what she says.
This doesn't sound healthy or realistic, no matter what you believe about women's roles.
My mom believes that the Bible instructs women to be keepers of the home and wants to train my sister more in those matters. Not that she does not want her to go to college, but she wants her to have the option and not feel like she is being pushed either way. My sister wants to get married as soon as she can and have some kids. So my mom is including child development and family living into her schooling this year.Smart lady! I like that she's encouraging her to keep her options open.
What do you guys think? The Bible does instruct women to be keepers of the home. Here's what I think.....if you graduate high school and have no prospective husband, you should probably go on to college. I mean, what else are you going to do? If you decide to get married shortly out of school, you can go to college or work up until you decide to have kids. Once having kids, I think that if at all possible, a woman should become a keeper of the home. I know there are circumstances that do not allow this....but I believe that the Bible does intend for women to take care of their homes and families while the man earns the money for the family.ITA with you. At age 14, I was positive I would meet someone at age 15, begin "going steady" at 16, get engaged at 17 and marry at 18. Then I could have my first baby when I was 19! ROFL. That seems so naive when I put it in print. The Lord had other plans, and I did pursue a career in education, first through teaching a small Amish school, then by attending college... I met my dh when I was almost 25 and a sophomore. I'm glad my parents encouraged me to keep my options open by pursuing an "academic" college prep diploma, but also encouraging my Home Ec elective.
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What about an enrichment program? Like a co-op or a one day program at a Classical school? You could continue to homeschool her *and* she could reap the benefits of outside interaction.
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IMO, your daughters have a point. I believe CLE Language Arts *is* indeed very boring for the most part. (speaking as a successful graduate of CLE Language Arts and other subjects)
If you are interested in a full LA program which pulls together a variety of resources and schedules them for you, WinterPromise has a nice solid one.
I think it's quite sad that we would take a subject which should be full of joyful reading of appealing literature and rewarding expression of one's own ideas through writing and reduce it to a workbook study that takes an hour and makes our children dread it.
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You won't find a Bible argument one way or another.
However, common sense would tell you that in those days one's childhood was over by age 13 or so.
ETA: My respect for these individuals would be seriously diminished by this because they have proved that their method of child-rearing did not produce mature healthy God-fearing adults by age 18. I personally was a mature healthy God-fearing adult by age 15.
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Do a search here for the curric and see what it has been selling for. Then mark it down wildly if pages are used or missing.
Poll: Are you homeschooling children or doing self-education?
in General Education Discussion Board
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Both here, but I suppose I concentrate more on the children. My learning is a way of "keeping ahead of them", not educating myself for the joy of learning (though I do a bit of that as well.)
Am I the kind of person who is the "new and different", or can you define "new and different"? I am trying to decide whether you think the other boards were more about self education or these are...