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Really....no one can tell me?
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We are finishing up Y2 and dd likes the Western Civ textbook better than the primary resources this year. It looks like she would prefer to use a textbook next year. Dd thinks she would like to use BJU, just read a chapter and take a test.
Since I would still like to do TOG or at least history ala WTM, I was wondering what text TOG uses for Y3.
Thanks for your help.
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Karenciavo did this one year. If you do a search you can find what she has posted about it. Bottom line is I think she said it was too much, and no longer necessary since TOG redesign of the literature.
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A teacher at our co-op used this book as a guide.
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One day we might get to Unit Celebrations, but not yet. We have been doing TOG for 3 years each year I have added in a new student and the dynamic changes. I now have a child who loves hands-on projects and might like to do Unit Celebrations. We have taken trips/museum visits that correspond with our studies.
Here is a great blog for TOG projects and celebrations
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We gave our oldest son one for Christmas. Several of his friends have Ukulele as well. It was around $125, it came with a case. It has been a lot of fun and not very hard. He has watched some tutorials on You Tube and our piano teacher has helped him with some songs. He will be playing it and singing, It's A Wonderful World with his sister at the next recital.
I had to get a toy one for my youngest dd so she could have one to play with as well. We can even tune the toy one pretty well.
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I LOVE the hats and think it's sad that American's don't wear them. I wish they would come back into style.
How they keep them on is a bit of a mystery, though I did notice on some of the women they had thin bands that went around the back of their heads.
Princess Beatrix....what to say? That thing (I hesitate to call it a hat) was hideous. Her coat dress was lovely (I really liked the color), but that thing on her head was just awful. It truly defied gravity.
BTW, if you don't know those weird little poofy hat things they wear on the sides of their head are called fascinators. I find them fascinating. :lol:
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Princess Beatrix's hat looked like something from a Dr. Seuss book.
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Not all of my children like read aloud time, and as I have a great range of ages it does often become a challenge. What I have found works for us is, 1) find a really funny book to read --The Best Christmas Pagent Ever was our first big hit for read aloud time. It is soo funny, we read it every year now. 2) Don't read for too long, leave them wanting more. Sometimes I would even stop in the middle of a chapter for suspence or if they are losing interest. 3) For my reluctant 12yo ds, I have him read aloud a chapter to me, then he is more than happy to have me read the next chapter aloud. That gives us time to talk about what we are reading (comprehension) 4) For the same ds, I have found that WWE has given us a good sampling of books he might be interested in, and doing the narrations has really helped him with finding the main idea in his readings.
I find if I offer something much less appealing, the read aloud time is received in a much more positive light.
HTH
edited to add: I found that audiobooks in the car are also a great way to have read-aloud time. Librivox.org has some good free audiobooks that we have used as well at home.
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Yep! Positive test and bump seems to show up at the same time. Ditto with nursing and the maternity clothes.
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I know this is an older thread, but I just wanted to jump in. This is exactly how I use TOG for my younger children. Some weeks I have extra books for my UG dd to read, or I use a history encyclopedia (Usborne World History) to fill weeks that don't have SOTW scheduled.
Since I have children in every level, SOTW helps make doing history much easier.
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I think we were posting at the same time!
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tracymirko,
I think I you have said this before about Socratic discussions for younger children. I am curious, why would you want to do this?
I have found that Socratic discussion needs some maturity in order to have an informed opinion about why you have a certain view of a subject or question. That is why this sort of discussion often comes when a child is studying logic and rhetoric. My two oldest children are still trying to have an opinion that they can defend, I couldn't see my younger children doing this.
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You don't like the TOG book selections or the SOTW book selections? Or rather, I'm confused which books selections you like better.
Do you also prefer the activities that come with TOG LG better than SOTW activities? Why?
Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.
I think she is saying that she used SOTW along with TOG books not because she does not like TOG selections, but because she likes the narrative of SOTW along with the picture books that TOG offers. If I am correct in that assessment, :iagree:. We also use both.
When you look at SOTW AG, you have book selections for history and literature, activities, and maps...much like TOG. The approach is not that different. The reason I use TOG is that it gives me more and prepares me better to teach upper levels.
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SO, any tips on handling Year 2 specifically? I really love SOTW, but is it realistic to use it alongside TOG? Some weeks have 7 chapters of SOTW included - yikes! Also, I believe a thread (that I can't find) had mentioned a good DK encyclopedia that would teach me the flow of history, which is what I desperately need. Is it the DK encyclopedia that is now offered via MFW?
I have children in every level this year and we are using Y2. When there are several SOTW chapters, I choose the ones that I feel will be of the greatest interest to my children, or are of the greatest importance. My 3rd grader loves to listen to SOTW on audio, my 1st grader prefers the literature especially if there are knights and dragons. So, I pick and choose for the grammar stage.
I do use a good encyclopedia for my 3rd grader so that she gets the flow of history better.
I hope you enjoy TOG and remember that it is a TOOL, you can use it any way that you want!:001_smile:
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I almost posted that one too! :lol:
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I was watching "A League of Their Own" , and this scene stuck with me. If you replace "baseball" with "homeschool" you'll get what I am talking about.
You can start at around 1:00 if you don't want to watch the whole thing.
It's hard...but that's what makes it great.
Be strong ladies, and stay the course! :cheers2:
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I was watching "A League of Their Own" , and this scene stuck with me. If you replace "baseball" with "homeschool" you'll get what I am talking about.
You can start at around 1:00 if you don't want to watch the whole thing.
It's hard...but that's what makes it great.
Be strong ladies, and stay the course! :cheers2:
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We had a few "come to Jesus" meetings on THAT subject! LOL
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Yes, it is hard. Honestly sometimes the Poetics and Frameworks make MY head spin! We are also cutting and lightening up some things. I think for a 9th grader R level literature in Y2 is really hard and really more than most freshmen are doing. DD wants to do the R lit, so sometimes she just reads and enjoys the book. She decided to read all of Beowulf, and listened to all of The Divine Comedy on audio book. She watched TC videos on both books and we called it a day.
I want her to continue to enjoy reading challenging books, so we will take it slowly by picking an choosing which analysis we do.
Since Dd is also doing R history, she requested I get Western Civ in place of some of the books in the core and in-depth list. This helps us to cover the period and still give her time to read the lit. We are still trying to get a rhythm in the writing department.
I keep trying to remember that we need to continue to build skills and work our way into TOG R level. We chose the challenge of doing R level work instead of D level work this year, so I am hoping that we are on track for the future.
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Pop Quiz is so worth it at our house. I also listen to it each week just to give my brain another input of the main threads. My hubbie likes asking the kids the Qs, too.
Not only do I listen to it to help me with the main threads, this week due to a family emergency, I am having my dc listen as well instead of doing their reading assignments. This way they can stay on track while I take care of my MIL.
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We currently use SL. SL is very much my teaching style, I love reading, I love books. I love the easy to use grid that keeps me on track with reading the more non-fiction type books with lots of pictures that I'm not TOO keen on reading out loud. I like that science isn't on the schedule (heehee.)
But, I keep looking at MFW. Here's why - better for multiple ages, better bible history/geography integration.
Downsides - 2 years of modern/US-ish history in the 5 yr cycle. We are Canadians and need to break out for Canada studies every now and then. Doesn't look like ENOUGH books (I know the whole book basket idea, but i like that SL schedules the lit, I am BAD at planning, and we have a poor library.) I'm also not sure the schedule layout will work for me, but it's hard to say until I try it. Includes science on the schedule - could be good, could be bad...is it still do-able if you swap out the science?
Anyway, my plan right now is lots of SL - mostly condensed cores to make room for Canada studies in 'off' years. Then in HS do MFW Ancients and World programs to get that great biblical integration at an age when the dc can really dig in, then SL modern history (300?), then Canadian civics/govt/modern history to wrap up with.
But...even though I love SL I wonder if I'm missing out on MFW? I've heard all the pros, can you let me know if you are someone it didn't work for, and if so, why?
Thanks for reading!
I wanted to like MFW, I tried to like it. We used EX-1850 for one year, well, part of a year. It didn't work for us because my children just did not like the books, I am a tweaker and MFW did not leave me enough room to wiggle (which is also why I don't use Sonlight), and I really needed to find a way to keep all of my children learning together as much as possbile. I am happy we spent our time doing MFW, I learned a lot as a teacher. I learned that my children could memorize whole chapters of scripture, we sang hymns, and I learned that I really cannot have my weeks planned out for me, life with 5 dc is too unpredictable. I have ECC here, but everytime I pick it up to do it, I just cannot. It just isn't a fit for me.
You have to look at what you like about Sonlight, what you think you are lacking, and see if MFW will fit. For us TOG is a much better fit, I have enough structure to keep us on track, lots of room to wiggle and tweak, and lots of help for teaching High School. I guess it comes down to why do you want to switch?
The hardest part about choosing curriulum these days, is that it is all good-even great. I think we are a little spoiled compared to homeschoolers twenty years ago, they had few choices and made things work because they had to. Now we have so many choices it can make your head spin, there always seems to be something better.
I hope you find the best tool to educate your children.
Blessings
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Well now..... that is an option I hadn't even considered! Are we allowed to do this? Won't we get in trouble? ;) I would kind of prefer to hang out in SOTW2 a little longer because the medieval stuff is interesting and fun and I got some great books on it. Hmm! I might just do that. I really like that idea.
:lol: This sounds like me many moons ago! I would never have dreamed of not doing SOTW each year all neat and tidy. Real life took over my perfect plans and we took FOREVER to do SOTW3 and then we skipped SOTW 4 because I had a very sensitive Ker who listened in even when I thought she wasn't paying any attention to what the older children were doing.
We have skipped, jumped around....there is no behind in history!! Enjoy the process of learning, enjoy interacting with your children. Let SOTW be a tool to teach skills and introduce your children to the wonderful world of history. Don't stress over the schedule, live and breathe middle ages until you want to move on and if you hate what comes next, skip it. If you love it, then spend time there as well. I give you permission and blessings to have lots and lots of FUN!:)
TOG and Spievogel WC 7th edition
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I just picked up a 7th edition Spielvogel Western Civ book for a great price. The problem is I am having trouble matching it up with each week. Since the page numbers in TOG are for the 6th edition, and there are no titles for the sections read, I am at a loss.
I know I can look at the threads and the people listed for each chapter, but I was hoping there was an easier way since there are so many topics each week.
Is there a comparision of the two editions?