Then NO. :) I used Remedia publications. I love these workbooks. I thought that I had hit send on a rather good post but failed. I use the summary books at the same time. We started with the very first one and completed each one. A lot of us have found great value in the workbooks from this publisher. You will find more than what you go to get. You have been warned. (I love Highlights in History too.)

You should.outline textbooks and sources. Yes, and YES. Here is why ... You are not simply teaching the student to outline. You are teaching them to handle information and text. It is very, very important to approach this as WTM has suggested with increasing the steps of the outline required. By the time that your child reaches high school and beyond, they can discern the main points and subpoints without much effort. This will make studying much easier and manageable. Expanding the use: I teach the folded paper method about midway through logic stage. I have the girls outline reading to only 2 levels. The other half of the paper is reserved for lecture or discussion notes. I cheat. I use YouTube videos and other learning videos, but the application is the same. We do this several times a year. Eventually, the girls did not need to break the information down. They could read and pull out the points, and highlight text - again only to the second level of information. Notes would be taken on paper and page numbers added later. There are so many methods to handling and organizing information. The WTM suggestion of outlining is what I view as only one method, but it is the easiest to implement and have the student use to develop their own study techniques for their individual learning styles. Ah ... HTHs to explain why I say, "Yes".

Thanks Lori .... I am busting to get home and start working on the list. One more pc to go and one more biometric keypad replacement. :)

BTW ... love Disney. We watched Nemo last weekend for the umpteenth time. :D That's one for my 7yo. Thanks!

I am working on a logic/rhetoric stage list (ninth grade'ish) that is for entertainment, but also gives a little toward supporting subject matter. There are so many resources and lists for grammar stage already. I did not find "big girl" movie lists for our Saturday Sofa Time, as we call it. This is the day that the littlest goes outside to play, and my other dc and I sit and watch movies. So, I was looking for good quality movie-types that were, even if rather loosely, coinciding with our studies in American History (Stobaugh). I have no problem with something that is era related but purely fictional too. Some of the movies my little can watch, but some she certainly cannot, which is why I am double checking all content - of course, with your help too! I am a pro at shouting "close your eyes" and pressing the fast forward button! I have some great movies above ... I will be updating the list today and going to the movie site a poster above mentioned. I believe we have some real gems for historic value and some that will provide good era feeling even with the fictional foundations. I am trying to keep away from many of the documentaries because this is a "family" thing that we do, and I want to pop popcorn in my whirlybird, snuggle up, and be entertained. It is a dual-purpose list. (Thanks to everyone for all of your time ... it has helped me lots to plan our movie schedule. I appreciate the help.)

I think that you will be OK. I don't remember anything terribly inappropriate. I would not have read to my dd at 8, but I let her read it at 11.

Stobaugh has 2 texts that are intended for junior high and can be started early with a good reader and writer, which yours appears to be on the surface of your post. As for LL's texts... Don't have her read the books again, but do have her read the cliffs or sparks notes for the book. She will gain more in the end, and then have her choose which papers she will be writing. You will spend less time and finish early, but probably get more out of it in the end. https://www.forsuchatimeasthis.com/curriculum-tracks/72-6th-grade-curriculum-track Here you can see that you can start Stobaugh earlier, as soon as the sixth grade, but not before. Not every kid can read at the level needed for the literature suggestions. Also, you can skip. Don't forget that! Nothing says that you must complete each and every question and each every page. :) Ask me ... we are the family of incompletes. We get side tracked and wonder into deeper studies most times. I do make them read even if we don't finish the assignments and tests. Much of the summer is spent completing assigned reading, LOL. I am an eclectic WTM'er that sways over to the CM side.

Thank you. I will double check the era. I am trying to keep them chronologically as you can tell. I really want our weekends to be in order of our studies through American History. It is silly, but we love movies - and it should be of some purpose. LOL

What was the mini-series on HBO about NASA? ETA: Don't forget to tell me if there is sex, nudity, violence, etc. I don't remember anything other than language in Apollo 13. I might let my second grader watch Shenandoah, but still edit a little due to the violence - no way for North and South though. :-/

I totally forgot about those, which is why I asked for help! LOL ETA: Added those two and rememberd Shenandoah with Stewart in it. :P

That drives me nuts! :thumbdown: There are even some bad erasers on Tics. Hate to say it. But true.

I switched cursive style on my middle dd and her handwriting improved. I can see the benefit to what is stated above and as such it should not be scoffed at entirely. The switch makes them cognitively refocus and improves hand-eye coordination. :) I could state all sorts of links and such ... but I think you believe her already. I just wanted to chime in and tell you that it works.

Stay Smart Diagramming looks advanced. Has anyone used this and at what grade level do you think this would be appropriate? Not OP, but intrigued and keeping it in the topic family. :)

Glad my verbal vomit did provide some benefit. I find my posts are becoming a bit "chatty" in the past year and often loose direction, LOL. No matter what you decide ... please teach grammar. It is one of my soap-box items. :lol:

Have you looked at Stobaugh? I love the integration with composition. Another option is Hewitt's Lightning Literature. Hewitt's is more the traditional, but there are writing assignments. I have to say that I am a Stobaugh lover because of the writing. It is not a reading comprehension check. These are two for you to investigate. As for grammar, any grammar practice book would suffice. How much grammar have you done? Abeka, R&S, CLP, BJU ... all are great for grammar. i tend to use their composition portions for instruction only. I don't have the girls complete the writing assignments. I like Hewitt's syllabus for Writer's Inc. and Write Source. These handbooks with their skills books and grammar books are great too. OK, I am done adding my list of items. I am on my second high school and third elementary. LOL <whisper> I don't like LLATL at all. I cringe when I think of it.

I used this with my older. Workbook format, good directions, and lots of content that applies grammar as well. I really like it. I considered using it this year, but I allowed middle dd to pick her grammar because she was doing so well. She picked Abeka believe it or not. I still cannot. Applications in Grammar was so very easy to use and quick. My oldest did get a lot out of the program and really benefited from the simple and quick writing explanations. I paired this with a Writer's handbook, which was more than enough for her (not being a natural writer), and Writing Strands. We had a great highschool grammar & composition strategy with these resources. The setup was very independent, or self-study. It allowed me to devote more time to my coursework. :) I think the books are great and best used if you use more than one. The third book really begins to tie things together. If you have had previous grammar, You could start in book 3 - if you have covered the general topics as well as good paragraph writing and general essay. If you have covered more advanced grammar, then you could easily start in book 4. Pay close attention to the TOC and see where you are. You can work inside them or not. I had the her use notebook paper. She was error prone. I babbled. Any specific questions?

Has no one seen a movie that is relevant to american history? I need a list for the weekends. Please help me, LOL.

I would go see them whether or not I skipped ahead. :)

I use the smooshy eraser that I get in the art store.. I forget the name, LOL. I like a clean erase. In a pinch, I prefer the eraser on these pencils over the stock pencils. Some are just ... yucky.

The key is the graphite, hardness, centered led, blah blah ... I tend to agree with everyone above BUT ... http://www.jetpens.com/Palomino-Blackwing-Pencil-602-Pack-of-12/pd/8117/ I love, love Palomino's for me! I just let my oldest touch one! You can even replace the erasers. These are not for child's play. I use Tic's for everyday stuff, and I pull out a Pal for final drafts and copywork. ETA: Amazon http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Palomino%20Blackwing%20

http://www.thelearningtrunk.com/us-history-movie-list/ I started a list of films that are appropriate in most for high-school level, but I am slowly adding grammar/logic films. While most films I have not watched in years, I am starting to browse and research others so that I can add the notation. I would like to add to this list as well. :) Let me know.

I was reading your link, and I remember something similar on WTM somewhere - about the writing correlation. The statement went something to the effect of ... it is beneficial to have the student diagram their own sentences once they learn diagramming basics. I can say that this is a great technique. I do not do it as often as I should, but we do do it.

Ah dang ... the tragedy! Let me see what I can find in PDF :) ETA: http://www.emmanuelbooks.com/ebooks/product.cfm/ID/3145/The-Elementary-Diagramming-Worktext-eBook-26-percent-off/ I have a secret! I will PM you if I can find it again. LOL

I think you have not read TWTM ... Elementary Diagramming Worktext. :)

When they are younger, by weeks is the best. As they get older, you might as well set down each day. They "get lost" or "can't figure it out" or "thought they did it". Trust me, those 12-14 yos can come up with more excuses. Mine is now suddenly "overwhelmed" by a week's work. LOL