happyWImom Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Okay, I've read about a million threads on H1N1 & the various opinions, even a bit about the mist. Here's my contribution to the paranoia. I have a friend who's 2 dc are getting the H1N1 nasal mist this Friday, and she wants to come over on Tuesday. I thought I read somewhere that the live virus (that's in the mist) can cause sickness in others for up to 2 weeks after getting the mist?? If so, I'm not real keen on having them over.:eek: But, I am also pretty paranoid, so it may be fine. Right? What says the Hive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tree House Academy Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 (edited) I don't like the mist at.all. I would reschedule the get together. The CDC says that it is highly unlikely to get anyone else sick, but for me, it just isn't worth the 1% risk even. That is just me...and I am paranoid too. :) ETA: My best friend who has H1N1 right now came down with it on Saturday. On Monday of the previous week, everyone in her office took the H1N1 mist. She declined the vaccine. Now she is sick with H1N1 along with a few of her co-workers who got the mist. In all honesty, if you look at the VAERS report from the CDC, the most common complaint/adverse event reported with the mist is "flu symptoms" within a day or two. Some people have even been hospitalized with the flu symptoms from the mist - particularly people who likely shouldn't have been given the mist in the first place. Edited November 11, 2009 by Tree House Academy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiramisu Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 The family of a friend of a friend decided to get vaccinated against H1N1 because a child in the family had a compromised immune system and the mom was pregnant. They were given the mist. The entire family got sick with H1N1 and the pregnant mom wound up in the hospital. My understanding is that everyone in the family got the mist. It may have not been the best medical decision to give this family the mist in the first place because of the medical issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyBlueLobsters Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 I wouldn't let them come over...JMO. I dont' like the mist and am actually irritated they made it! Anyone at the store who got it, that sneezes on you or anything can infect you! We have literally stayed in like hermits for over a month. No one has been sick though! Good luch on your decision and explaining it to them if you decide not to let them come! :grouphug: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grace'smom Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 From my understanding, the mist is for people with normally functioning immune systems. It's not for anyone with issues like pregnancy, asthma or allergies. You can shed small amounts of the virus for 4 days after getting the vaccine, so if you live with anyone who has a compromised immune system you should not get the mist. They told me to only get my child the injection b/c of multiple food allergies, but only the mist was available and I wasn't going to let it go by with all the kids in our area getting sick. We were SOOOO lucky we were able to access vaccine at all. It was that or nothing. So she ended up getting the mist and I was so worried she would get sick but she was fine. But I was willing to go for the mist and the chance of lighter symptoms than full blown illness. Also, the mist protects for a year and the injection only 6 months. I can imagine thought that if a bunch of people in close proximity got the mist, the virus they shed altogether might get someone sick. And that person would probably get everyone else sick because the vaccine doesn't help you for two weeks. But I am NO doctor, that's just my ponderings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 so if you live with anyone who has a compromised immune system you should not get the mist. This is not the information I got from my daughter's specialist. My two kids with chronic illnesses could not get the mist, but he said my other child could get it with no worries about infecting others. Tara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyWImom Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 Okay, all of your responses have only reinforced what I already felt-they're not coming over! I'm going to be a chicken though, and not get into why. My dc need to get their school pictures taken, so I'm just going to schedule them that day. We didn't have firm plans; she was just feeling me out. She's a good friend, but I don't want to get into the whole "to vaccinate or not to vaccinate" debate with her.:001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tree House Academy Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Okay, all of your responses have only reinforced what I already felt-they're not coming over! I'm going to be a chicken though, and not get into why. My dc need to get their school pictures taken, so I'm just going to schedule them that day. We didn't have firm plans; she was just feeling me out. She's a good friend, but I don't want to get into the whole "to vaccinate or not to vaccinate" debate with her.:001_smile: LOL - I don't blame you. People don't like it so much when you tell them you don't really want their germs. :lol: Ask me how I know...:lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyWImom Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 LOL - I don't blame you. People don't like it so much when you tell them you don't really want their germs. :lol: Ask me how I know...:lol: Tell me, tell me!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 My sister's doc said it took 6 days before the kids would definitely not be transmitting it. When her middle son, 6, got the mist he didn't sniff enough, or else he blew out. Some came dribbling out of his nose and my sister was frantically trying to wipe it into his nose again. The doc watched the whole thing, then explained that she had the virus all over her hands and she needed to wash and be very careful about not doing that again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommyof4ks Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 I don't see a problem with it. My son has a compromised immune system due to chemotherapy, and his oncologists are fine with him being around other who have gotten the mist. Several kids in his co-op class got the mist and he was fine. Many of our fellow cancer kiddo friends go to school and the mist was given at our local schools with no issues for the cancer kids. Only transplant patients really are a concern, but even there the data is not clear because people could have been exposed prior to or after exposure to someone who had gotten the mist. Just my .02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tree House Academy Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 My sister's doc said it took 6 days before the kids would definitely not be transmitting it. When her middle son, 6, got the mist he didn't sniff enough, or else he blew out. Some came dribbling out of his nose and my sister was frantically trying to wipe it into his nose again. The doc watched the whole thing, then explained that she had the virus all over her hands and she needed to wash and be very careful about not doing that again. OMG.:001_huh: I was reading the VAERS site and one of the reports literally cracked me up. It wasn't funny, but it was, KWIM? There was a man who went in to get his H1N1 mist and the nurse that was giving it actually "missed his right nostril" and sprayed it in his eye and on his face. Poor guy! Can you imagine? What makes it funny is imagining how that poor nurse must have felt...and what in the WORLD was she thinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grace'smom Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 This is not the information I got from my daughter's specialist. My two kids with chronic illnesses could not get the mist, but he said my other child could get it with no worries about infecting others. Tara I guess different doctors say different things. We were told my daughter should not get the mist nor should I or my husband. Doesn't seem very comforting when they all say something different. :confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 OMG.:001_huh: I was reading the VAERS site and one of the reports literally cracked me up. It wasn't funny, but it was, KWIM? There was a man who went in to get his H1N1 mist and the nurse that was giving it actually "missed his right nostril" and sprayed it in his eye and on his face. Poor guy! Can you imagine? What makes it funny is imagining how that poor nurse must have felt...and what in the WORLD was she thinking? :001_huh: :lol: Yes, I definitely kwym. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fivetails Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Also' date=' the mist protects for a year and the injection only 6 months. [/quote'] eh? This is a piece of information that hasn't come up 'round here at all.. about the injection, I mean (we don't have the mist) .. where did you hear about it only being good for 6 months? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fivetails Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Anybody else see the 6mth thing anywhere? I went through a bunch of info on the Canadian Public Health website and I can't find a mention of it... Far as I was told, the vaccine for H1N1 protects you from H1N1, period. If the virus *changes*, that's different. Curious.. or is this what's being said about the US vaccine? I know yours is a bit diff...wouldn't think it was THAT different though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Anybody else see the 6mth thing anywhere? I went through a bunch of info on the Canadian Public Health website and I can't find a mention of it... Far as I was told, the vaccine for H1N1 protects you from H1N1, period. If the virus *changes*, that's different. Curious.. or is this what's being said about the US vaccine? I know yours is a bit diff...wouldn't think it was THAT different though... No, it's not true. There is individual variation on how long immunity lasts, and possibly some variation between different strains of vaccine. In general, immunity lasts longer after live vaccines compared with inactivated vaccines. But immunity can last many years. (In some people it may wear off sooner, of course). In one of the studies I did, we looked at immunity in people who had the 1976 swine flu vaccine, and many of them still had protective levels of antibodies 30 years later. That was an inactivated, not a live, vaccine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolally Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 who is a transplant survivor, was specifically told by his team of doctors at Vanderbilt that his family should not get the mist because of the shedding. You're not being paranoid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fivetails Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Anybody else see the 6mth thing anywhere? I went through a bunch of info on the Canadian Public Health website and I can't find a mention of it... Far as I was told, the vaccine for H1N1 protects you from H1N1, period. If the virus *changes*, that's different. Curious.. or is this what's being said about the US vaccine? I know yours is a bit diff...wouldn't think it was THAT different though... No, it's not true. There is individual variation on how long immunity lasts, and possibly some variation between different strains of vaccine. In general, immunity lasts longer after live vaccines compared with inactivated vaccines. But immunity can last many years. (In some people it may wear off sooner, of course). In one of the studies I did, we looked at immunity in people who had the 1976 swine flu vaccine, and many of them still had protective levels of antibodies 30 years later. That was an inactivated, not a live, vaccine. Ahhh. I was looking & looking, but not finding ~ and I kept thinking that surely that kind of information would be known, front & center...glad to know it isn't the case. Thanks, Perry. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Ahhh. I was looking & looking, but not finding ~ and I kept thinking that surely that kind of information would be known, front & center...glad to know it isn't the case. Thanks, Perry. :) Surprisingly, there isn't much known about it. Since the virus mutates so quickly, achieving long term immunity has never been a goal of the vaccine. There hasn't been much interest in studying how long immunity lasts since the virus likely changes before immunity wears off. It probably wouldn't be easy to get funding for such a study, because it doesn't have much clinical importance, although it would be interesting information to have. We only looked at it as a small part of a larger study, because it was important to know whether the 1976 shot was confounding our results. There is quite a bit of individual variation, depending on age, health, presence of immunocompromising conditions, history of previous vaccines, etc. It's possible that in some people immunity wears off in months, and sometimes it's advised that you don't want to get the flu shot too early, because immunity might wane if influenza doesn't show up in your community for 6 months. Bottom line is, we don't know how long it lasts. Months in some people, many years in others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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