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    Jews Told to Register in Ukraine

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    My mother's friend who is Jewish (living in Australia) said that the Jews over there are having their social security pensions taken off them! So sad! Some of them have gone through WW2, and survived, and now are having to go through this. We really need to make this a prayer point.

    Using CLE LA 5 (half way) but need to switch- BJU, EIW or Hakes? Help

    in General Education Discussion Board

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    Just my opinion, and I'm not very informed, but I think there's too much similarity between Hake and CLE to give a breath of fresh air to your dd.

     

    I think EIW would provide the writing instruction you're looking for and cover your grammar bases. It is so different your dd may find it refreshing.

     

     

    Have you used the program yourself?

     

    If so, can you tell me what you like about it, and if there's anything you don't etc...

    Using CLE LA 5 (half way) but need to switch- BJU, EIW or Hakes? Help

    in General Education Discussion Board

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    We use Hake Grammar (currently finishing our second year of it), and haven't found it to be especially difficult or overly challenging by grade level.  Everybody is different, of course, but I just wanted to share our experience, so as not to scare you or anyone else off.  

     

    There are grade level samples and S&S documents on Hake's website, so you can see for yourself.

     

    My DS is using Hake 7 grammar currently, and, by age, he's a youngish 6th grader.  He did Hake 5 prior to that, and one year of Easy Grammar (level 4, didn't finish the whole book).  He's had no other formal grammar instruction.  He's a good reader and decent writer for his age, but he also doesn't especially love or enjoy grammar, FWIW.

     

    I do believe that Hake (and other popular programs, for instance Analytical Grammar) covers everything a student needs to know about grammar by the end of middle school.  That frees us up to focus on advanced writing skills, literature, and written literary analysis during high school, with specific grammar concepts being reviewed only as needed.  Whether that means that Hake, AG, and other middle school grammar programs are "accelerated", and whether that is a new thing . . . that hasn't been my experience.  I'm kinda old, and I didn't have grammar instruction during my high school years - it was all done before then.

     

    I like covering grammar well and thoroughly when the student is ready, rather than early and often.  I don't believe it needs to be taught every year either.

     

    I've heard good things about EIW as a writing curriculum but never got the chance to use it.  It might be really good for your DD where she is right now.  The DVD instruction makes it about as parent-friendly, and open and go, as you can get.  BJU is expensive and oriented to a classroom, so not as parent-friendly.  Hake can by dry and uninspiring (although the flip side is that its cut-and-dry and efficient LOL), so kids who crave more creativity probably wouldn't like it.  Writing Tales is another one your DD might enjoy.

     

    We choose not to use the writing assignments in Hake.  The writing component is not integrated into the grammar instruction; it is a separate, smaller workbook with around 30 writing lessons (depending on the level).  Hake is first and foremost a grammar program, with some vocab built in, and some writing assignments tacked on.  There are other writing programs out there that have better scaffolding for building writing skills and that provide more engaging assignments, IMO.  We've liked WWE, WWS, IEW-SWI, and Jump In, for example. 

     

    What works best for us is choosing a writing curriculum that is a good fit, and using that.  And also choosing a grammar curriculum that is a good fit, and using that.  It hasn't worked for us to combine writing and grammar in one curriculum.  Obviously grammar skills support writing skills, but they don't necessarily develop at the same rate, and my kid is definitely asynchronous, so we mix and match. 

     

    Just my rambling, offering another perspective.  :001_cool:

     

     

    What didn't you like about Easy Grammar?

    Using CLE LA 5 (half way) but need to switch- BJU, EIW or Hakes? Help

    in General Education Discussion Board

    Posted

    Just my opinion, and I'm not very informed, but I think there's too much similarity between Hake and CLE to give a breath of fresh air to your dd.

     

    I think EIW would provide the writing instruction you're looking for and cover your grammar bases. It is so different your dd may find it refreshing.

     

     

    So would you say it's as tedious as CLE?

     

    When I looked at the samples in Hake Grade 6 they seemed easier than my DD CLE Grade 5!

     

    I'm just scared she will lose all that she has gained in grammar.

     

    What about Easy Grammar? Is it nice and quick?

    I need a good, independent writing and grammar program for my kids next year.

    in General Education Discussion Board

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    Personally, with CLE, the lessons are long. We did not last long with it, though we used the math for many years. They could be done independently for the most part, but to do it right, you would have to check their work and that would be a lot of pages to check for you. A LOT.

     

    I think EIW was a good suggestion.

     

     

    I do LOVE their Maths though! And their LA is excellent until Mid Grade 5, IMHO.

    Using CLE LA 5 (half way) but need to switch- BJU, EIW or Hakes? Help

    in General Education Discussion Board

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    Hake grammar 7 is harder than my 9th grade college-prep grammar text. "College prep" means college during high school now, so expectations have changed; I'm not so sure children have changed, though. So BALLPARK, I consider Hake Grammar 9th grade, but understand people feeling the need to push it down to 7th grade IF they can. The reality is that MANY students won't be ready for Hake Grammar 7 until 10th and 11th grade.

     

    I'm just saying to be careful about placement, if you go with Hake.

     

     

    Oh, wow! That's full on. Thanks for letting me know that. I will definately take a year lower in that case (if I decide to use them). I think I might have to as well with BJU (if we go that way) mainly because of the writing. She is pretty behind in it.

     

    Thanx :001_smile:

    Using CLE LA 5 (half way) but need to switch- BJU, EIW or Hakes? Help

    in General Education Discussion Board

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    f you go with Hake, make sure not to place too high. I'm working through 7 myself, and…this is not labeled for the REALITY of average children. I think 7 is equal to Saxon Algebra 1 in difficulty. So if you have a 7th grader doing algebra, then they can probably handle Hake 7.

     

     

    Is that the same for their English? Are they a year higher than what the grade level says?

    Using CLE LA 5 (half way) but need to switch- BJU, EIW or Hakes? Help

    in General Education Discussion Board

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    Hi,

     

    I'm stuck as to what to go to next. My dd 11 has been using CLE for 2 years now, and she loved their English, but lately I have seen a huge attidude change, and when I looked at what she is doing I thought- no wonder the joy is gone.

     

    Anyway, I have narrowed the switch down to BJU English 6, Hake's Grammar & Writing Grade 6 Kit or Essentials in Writing.

     

    I like something that is parent friendly and that is open and go. Also, want more writing- as that's one thing lacking in CLE LA.

     

    Can anyone advise me please.

     

    Thanks in advance.

     

     

    Cheers,

    Jasperstone

     

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