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I'm currently teaching LFC 1, Latin Alive!, and Wheelock's. I looked it up in LA and Wheelock's. (LFC is in ds's room, though, and he is asleep. :001_smile:) They use different example words, but the effect is the same...
So, there is some variance in the way they are listed. I think it is a matter of author's style. I would congratulate him for being a sharp boy and then tell him not to worry about it, as he can translate it 'land' if he needs to. I had students who would even get hung up on whether 'a' or 'the' was correct in a translation. I always told them to just enjoy the fact that they could pick their own right answer, because that doesn't happen often. ;) I played up the fact that students could express themselves in the sentences by choosing which words they used, and they really seemed to like that.
HTH!
Ester Maria & Angela - Thanks!! I should have you on speed dial this year!
Btw, if anyone wants to give me "Latin names" for my scholars to adopt, I'd love to have some available in case they can't think of any:
Caesar, Cicero, Hercules, Italia, Dahlia, Diana, Maria, Julia... (Classical pronunciations would be a bonus!)
Lisaj
Lisa J, who is excited and scared about teaching high school Latin
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Case / Latin / English meaning
SINGULAR
Nom terra - land, the (a) land
Gen terrae - of the (a) land
Dat terrae - to or for the (a) land
Acc terram - the (a) land
Abl terra - - by/with/from the (a) land
PLURAL
Nom terrae - lands, the lands
Gen terrarum - of the lands
Dat terris - to of for the lands
Acc terras - lands, the lands
Abl terris - by/with/from the lands
Btw, one of my students (bright young man) asked this question: the accusative singular case (above from Henle p. 5 Grammar) doesn't give the translation "land" - Acc Sing. only gives the translations, "the land", "a land". This was conufusing to us because the nom singular gives land, "a land, the land" which seems accurate for the (direct object) accusative case as well - so my only question, really, is why does the Henle book do this? Is this anything we should be concerned about as we start in Latin.
Frankly, it looks like a typo to me? But I am new, so I didn't want to assume anything since this young man asked me?
Btw, I apologize my first post was unclear. I was in a hurry, being constantly interrupted and it wasn't very clear.
I appreciate the "don't worry about it"; I understand that it will likely always be clear in English when to use a definite or indefinite article.
Thanks!
Lisaj
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We are working on Henle Latin. On page 5 in the Grammar (blue book) in the first year, first lesson, the declension of terra is given. There is a brief note about the Romans not using article adjectives (a, an, the) and how we provide them in English and thus they are part of the English translations. But why does the text use "the" with nom, and accusative plural but NOT accusative singular:
Case / Latin / English meaning
SINGULAR
Nom terra - land, the (a) land
Gen terrae - of the (a) land
Dat terrae - to or for the (a) land
Acc terram - the (a) land
Abl terra - - by/with/from the (a) land
PLURAL
Nom terrae - lands, the lands
Gen terrarum - of the lands
Dat terris - to of for the lands
Acc terras - lands, the lands
Abl terris - by/with/from the lands
So my question is specifically the Accusative Singular plural translation. Is it a typo that Acc S Plural does not match the nominative singular? (I notice the accusative plural does *match* in nom and accusative.)
The exact same situation exists in my LFC declension of the first declension model noun.
Btw, one of my students (bright young man) asked this question.
Thanks!
Lisaj
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I actually work for the Fruit.
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Here's the company policy on Refurbished:
They are thoroughly tested and anything not up to Apple's high standards is replaced. We replace the battery, give it a new case, clean it, and inspect it again! Plus, we give it a new serial number so there is no question about who the Mac belongs to.
Plus as far as it being outdated, nothing that is sold THAT outdated.
Plus most Macs have the capacity to be expanded, meaning you can add a faster processor, more RAM, etc.
I would in a heartbeat.
thanks for the info, I am interested :)
---Lisaj
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We happened to be covering geometry the same spring/summer, we constructed a set of stairs off our deck. We also have used lots of geometry in landscaping projects. So I think it is just as important as other higher maths. I also consider geometry proofs and other geometry concepts kind of "logic" coursework. So I would put it right up there with Alg. 1 & 2.
Btw, we used BJU Geometry with DVDS and it is our favorite BJU curriculum/DVDs so far. It was by far the math curriculum where I have had to assist the least so far. (We also did VT (which I *do* love) Alg. 1 & 2 on DVDs too, but I had to assist my two daughter more than we Geometry.)
Lisaj, who hated it in high school; liked it (almost loved it) while homeschooling high school
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Welcome to the "Old Homeschoolers Club". In my book, you should be about 40yo to be in this club, but if you are one of those overachievers who makes it before then, kudos to you.
lisaj, well past 40yo and hsing 5 last year; 3 this year :)
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I will be teaching Canon Press new 3rd edition Latin Primer 1 in a co op setting this year. I am looking for someone who has already planned out the whole year and has divided the lessons into weekly "increments".
I am planning on giving the kids a weekly assignment sheet every class day for hte following week (4 school days). I am hoping someone has already done this and I won't have to recreate from scratch. I know it is not that big of a job as the curriculum lends itself to one lesson-per-week, but I just would love to save some time!
Somethings like this will be given out weekly:
Day 1 -
Chant 1st & 2nd verb conjugations using model verbs
Begin memorizing new vocabulary words
Listen to Audio CD
Do page 4
Correct last week's quiz
Day 2 - etc.
Thanks.
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when I call his sister "Beth", he often comes running too.
But his name is Zeph - as in "Zef"
Zephaniah 3:17
Lisaj, I'll throw in two more names as a bonus, Zac, Lane
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Thanks for all the great ideas. I am keeping this thread handy.
I usually throw the comics page from the newspaper in and a snapshot of the family or a sibling that is reasonably current ... I've snuck in a book or two that I thought she might read - like faith-based or "getting organized" books or magazine articles.
Articles of anyone she knows in the paper. A local small town newspaper. I try to slip in a couple of bucks or a $5 in every letter or package if I can spare it and I happen to have cash on hand.
I told my daughter to just text me something she needs and I'll put it in the next package I send, so she keeps me posted on ideas.
We don't do Halloween but I would like to send some harvest type theme things for decorating but not sure what to send since I want it to be small and not halloweeny...
Lisaj
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Sorry, not much advice here either. Except, I totally support you and think you have the exact right ideas. I have not been as good at encouraging after a big "crime" but I think it goes a long way toward getting or keeping a child's heart knitted with the parents' hearts'.
Also, this is a good oppty to talk about God's amazing forgiveness and how quickly he restores us when we are repentant.
And I have learned a lot and seen much love result from the effort made by parents.
I will pray!
lj
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What is the standard for "messiest teenager's room" before the room (speaking for the said teen) screams "Can't you see I am a cry for help?"
Now, because it is late, I'll translate what I mean. Is the state of utter and complete chaos saying "I am out of control; help me!" (correspondence, catalogs, mail, laundry baskets, wrappers, receipts, dirty/clean clothes, piles of last year's schoolwork, unfinished job applications, new and clean clothes, books, awards, etc. etc. falling off the edge of every horizontal surface, completely covering the floor)...
My 18yo dtr is ADD. She has assured me that she does *not* want my help cleaning it just as she has assured me many times that "she is going to clean it 'this' weekend...."
If my house looked like her room, CPS would take my kids away. It looks like one of the houses you see on the news where CPS or Humane Society to protect animals has taken pets away. Now my daughter has no pet droppings or anything too gross in her room. A few spoons and forks and empty containers, maybe.
My daughter is on facebook, the phone or texting or watching a movie or reading when she is not working about 30 hours a week; she has 2-3 days off a week.
All conversations on her room end in "just don't worry about it, mom, it's my room and I can take care of it".....
This isn't a question about what we should do in terms of discipline, privledges, etc. But... I guess my question is... how messy are teen's rooms???? This seems like it would be the worst ever (except for those that cross the line with garbage and waste).....
I just wonder if the mess is "communicating" something to me that I am not seeing (i.e. the ADD, organization-deficient, etc.)
lj
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Do you pay for the ITBS and is that particular test mandatory for you for some reason?
I'd look at something like EXPLORE testing or Peabody/Woodcock Johnson type tests. The Peabody or WJ are particularly useful because are open ended and can let kid go until they get "stuck". We pay only $50 to have that done in our house. It's also untimed and oral, so I think kids have a better chance to show what the actually know (as opposed to showing how good they are in a higher pressure, timed situation). The EXPLORE is a 2 hour timed test, so not every very bright child is going to perform their best in that situation. We are going to try the EXPLORE next year and see how it goes. I might still do the Peabody though if it seems like the EXPLORE result isn't really reflecting where's he's at.
Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, I always pay for the ITBS tests. I have chosen it over SAT because all you need is a college degree to administrate and proctor the ITBS which the SAT I think you need a teaching certificate.
And testing is required (or the easiest way to meet the state "are the kids progressing" requirement).
I'll look into the Peabody, WJ and/ Explore tests. $50 is roughly the same price as the ITBS.
Who does the tests in your home?
Lj
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Out of the original poster's list, I think there were maybe 4-5 that I had to read.
And that sums up the required reading in my high school. I really can't believe the great literature that is out there - that we didn't have to read. I only really remember reading and being deeply moved by a few, including Dante's Inferno and To Kill A Mockingbird.
I am pretty sure I took English/Comp all 4 years and I was an avid reader who actually loved reading and read anything quickly. I am thoroughly enjoying reading as many as possible of the classics on my children's lists.
Can anyone tell me, was it the "era" I spent in high school? 1976-1980?
Lj
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Build a ladder with scrap lumber. Last year, I cut 2 2x4s about 5 or 6 ft. long; measured a ladder to see how far apart the steps should be then cut that many 2x4s (5 I think) that were so many inches long (15"? 16?" can't recall) and then they laid out the boards and put the 2x4s on top of them measured so many inches apart and nailed them in place. This was all scrap lumber. The 9yo did it mostly himself and gave some aid to the 6yo. It took me about 15min to set up the project, explain how to use a level and I drew "lines" where each 2x4 should sit for the "steps" and I did the nailing of the first 2x4; then the boys took over. They worked for 2-3 hours and both made 2 ladders. The steps are slightly crooked but they work fine and are standing up against trees in the forest; are used for little projects and I have 2 proud boys :). Yes, I worried a bit about hammer dangers, hollered a few warnings; but it was fine. These are very heavy ladders so they aren't the most useful, but it was a fun DIY project.
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every year. Two years ago, with his first test, the scores started in the mid-90s and have just climbed a point or two every year. So now the scores are close to 100%.
He took the 4th grade level test because that is his age level - most of his curriculum is 5-6th grade level. We say he is 4th grade.
Should I retest with a 5th or 6th grade level test? Should I do nothing?
He is naturally good at most everything; not great but he is able to pick most things up easily. But be it swimming, Scrabble, chess, baseball or organizing his friends to play games...
He is noticably brighter than his also "smart" siblings and peers. His mind fascinates my husband and I. I just wonder if I am missing something or if I should be "paying attention" to anything to further challenge him.
We can't spend any money for testing or anything else. We are completely homeschooled and I don't think there is anything worthwhile from what I know about the local school district elementary age gifted program.
He is my 4th born; first son.
Thanks for any thoughts, tips.
LJ
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Course I didn't even catch it when I got so interested in the thread; read it and then posted today. And I think I was on page 7 or 8 or something of the general board? Maybe it was page 108 lol?
lj, puzzled
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I think grammar questions like those you mentioned are pretty rare on most standardized testing and prob. not on the SATs or ACTs but.... I would suggest doing R&S Grammar over 2 years and do a writing program the other half. I did a writing program like MWF and R&S T,Th one year and then R&S MWF and Writing program T,Th the next year. We did this for 7/8th for one child and 8/9th for the other.
Personally I think grammar is important in brain development of logical thinking and reasoning & grammar is important in Latin and modern foreign language study. So, we did grammar thru 10th grade. And my oldest 2 are grammar experts partially because of their natural bent and partly because we covered grammar well with Shurley thru gr 7 and then R&S over 2 years; then one semester of Bob Jones high school English. Then, on to literature in grades 10-12.
OTOH, you will prob. get plenty of replies saying drop grammar after 8 or 9 years; switch to writing and reading comprehension and literature and don't look back. And I will admit that Rod & Staff really goes deeeep into grammar - prob. the most advanced I've seen.
One other thing is that kids tend to forget grammar if they aren't using it and referring to it. So my worrywart tendencies say to keep up some basic grammar review as long as you dare...
lj
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I agree with TracyS- she was talking too much- her job as babysitter is to protect and nurtur the kids and she was clearly NOT doing that. You clearly feel violated by her actions. I would start looking at other options. If she is job interveiwing you could easily say that you are finding someone who can be with you long term as you know that she is looking for a permanent position.>>
Maybe I have thick skin because I'm older, and have "active" kids - but I agree the woman was in error. But I doubt she meant you any trouble. Sounds like she was overzealous about trying to "help" you. And willing to give her opinions to anyone who would stand still to listen.
So, while I agree, the woman erred, I prob. wouldn't make a big deal of it. I prob. would be vague about why she is being "let go" because just because I didn't appreciate her brand of help - it sounds like she is a big help to others and well-regarded. Something like, "I wasn't comfortable with you sharing so much info & your opinions, blah blah blah... about my children and at VBS, etc. etc." So I think I'll go a different direction. (I am against passive-agressive - I am not sugg. to dodge the issues you have with her. It just doesn't seem like a big "airing out" of the issues you have with the babysitter is going to be of any value to you or her. Plus, she sounds like she is a sister in Christ :). She may say, "yikes you're right; me and my big mouth - I was only trying to help!"
I read most of the posts here, but I did skim some - maybe I missed something. I just think this woman AND the OT at VBS - didn't mean you or your children any ill will.
And I am not saying either is faultless, but I have had dozens (hundreds?) of conversations with people at VBS and standing around after church watching the children play. And I know I am very careful but sometimes I have crossed boundaries because I felt the Holy Spirit leading me to say something OR I overcame my own good sense and didn't use discernment. "me and my big mouth" I'm sure we can all relate.
I guess it just seems like the woman's heart motive wasn't to harm you? And so you need to do and say whatever is best for your family - but not necessarily make this a big deal.
Btw, I go to a fabulous very small church and these things come up every so often and they really can blow over quickly and quietly.
God's best!
lj
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I don't have much to add, but I wanted to mention "later puberty". I know for some this isn't the root cause, but both of my older teen girls had very late puberty. They were basically about 12-16months behind their "average" age-level peers (and 2-3+ years behind early onset puberty girls) in going thru puberty.
Thus, there were awkward months where they were still acting foolish and giggly and socially immature - and no one (certainly not the other teens) and not even the other moms realized that my daughters were acting "age-appropriate" because they still had kids' minds and bodies; not womanly ones.... It took me almost all the way thru puberty for my oldest for me to figure out why she "acted" so young compared to her friends.
So I wonder how many of these kids we are discussing in this thread might also be late puberty candidates? Something to think about.
lj
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From a very general standpoint, I think probably very few homeschoolers are "Militant Unschoolers". IOW, their schooling styles probably vary over the long run.
However, I'd also guess that people pass "in and out" of unschooling just as other homeschoolers pass "in and out" of traditional textbooks, school on DVD years and classical or eclectic ... Kind of a personal pendulum so to speak. I suppose the longer you homeschool, or the more kids you homeschool - the more you try different approaches.
I started out eclectic, became more traditional textbooks, then classical; a slight nod to DVD schooling; lately more of an eclectic / classical / reading/relaxed homeschooler. (ok, I'm not really all that relaxed!)
lisaj
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AA seems to be inappropriate content for a 9th grader based on your excerpts. I can't understand exposing innocent 14yos to that kind of content if our goals for these children are to remain pure and "innocent regarding evil and wise concerning good".
The "required reading" label doesn't work for me. No way would I let my child read this book any earlier than 16yo or 17yo; and even then, I would not assign it nor advise it. I might allow it if the child gave me some feedback and it was their desire to read it for some reason?
I don't think the God who made the Universe wants me to read those kinds of novels, let alone a child who might not even be in puberty yet. (Yes, there are 14yos who are barely starting puberty and have no interest nor even curiosity about these topics.)
Lisaj, mom to 5
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Looks great to me.
One of the main things I'd like to do is not have loose ends all the time. It seems like in past years, I "neglected" the youngers and I'd check in midweek and find out no one did their spelling and the paragraphs we started Monday never got past the first 20minutes of work when I got back to them on Thurs.
I was busy correcting papers, working on higher difficulty lessons and scheduling the 2 teenagers.
No one was hurt too much by this but the 8th grader does have some pretty poor study habits to remedy.
Thanks for commenting. Looking for more input! I'd especially like comments on the morning "review session" idea. Do any of you do this regularly?
I got the idea from looking at Classical Conversations at http://www.classicalconversations.com
Lisaj
I am struggling to teach Henle Latin to...
in High School and Self-Education Board
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9 students, 8 of which have virtually no Latin background. Does anyone have or sell (I'd buy from someone who made their own) using MP's schedule to help me focus our class time better.
We are using the assignment sheets (weekly) from MP but I would like to better use our class time? I would love something that lays out a 1hr a week class, such as with specifics.
As much detail as possible would be great!
I am teaching the class for free in a co op and I feel a bit inept. We have done Latin for 7-8 years but my older children ( who are not available to me for teaching) became the experts and I became the trying to keep up student! We have done several curriculums - and yes, I am committed to Henle - and we have been doing Latin for 7-8 years at home and I attended a class while Henle was taught but I observed and learned a lot but I would love more hand-holding!
Thanks!
Lisaj, ljdeerpark@aol.com