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So what if you scan it and then destroy the hard copy? Would that make it okay? I'm really trying to figure out a way to make this work and I do just want it for portability, not for reusing it with future students. I'm perfectly happy to toss the workbook after scanning and then delete the digital copy when DD finishes it.
See to me, this seems fine since you are only putting the orginal book into a format for you to use. Especially if you're not going to do anything with the original.
I, on the other hand, want to make 3 digital copies, which does keep the publisher from the sale of 2 additional books.
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On average a workbook costs 14 dollars. A PDF is usually only a 6-dollar savings, if that.
So .... maybe 83 workbooks??????:lol::lol::lol:
Last year, I spent close to $165 for our Latin books because I bought 4 sets. If I only buy one set and make digital copies for my other kids, then it reduces what I spend for each subject. And granted I won't recoup the cost in one year, but perhaps I could in several. Plus, we have the ease of portability (we are in the car often) and we're not losing workbooks. They are forever losing their weekly checklists. I could sent a digital copy to their Ipad and they could check it off on it.
I need more places for them to type anyways so it's either an Ipad or a laptop. And with Apple's educational pricing on the Ipad, they start at $399. We already have one that was a gift so I might for next year get one additional one and see how it goes. No games or anything but school will be on it, not even educational games. Mostly, I like the idea of them doing math on it and you can't do that with a laptop. Plus, I think they could do their writing on it. One book I planned to use, Figuratively Speaking, is avaiable as a pdf on Currclick.
I haven't decided yet.
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Michelle, that's some good sleuthing to find that Fair Use questionaire! Looks like it helped you sort that out. Now some of the homeschool-friendly publishers like VP specifically *allow* copying in the front. And any material that allows copying, I would definitely feel free to scan and use as you wish for your students. I don't recall if MP does the same thing. They seem very hip and forward thinking. You might just write them and ask about it. Sometimes they just need someone to suggest it. :)
Actually, Chandlermom found the Fair Use questionaire. It was helpful for me to sort it out.
See, I didn't know that about VP. One reason I started this thread was so hopefully I could find this kind of information. Knowing which companies/curriculum will allow me to use the Ipad with their materials may help me decide what to use next year.
I was going to post a question to Memoria Press on their forum about this and see what they say. I'm leaning toward using their First Form next year with my 3 olders.
Now I need to go check out VP and see if they have anything interesting for next year. :D
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Maybe my situation is unique in that I have 3 students using the same Latin student text, Megawords, Latin copywork, Logic book. The twins are using the same literature study guide and math books also. And next year it may be more workbooks that all three use.
I have twin 6th graders and 5th grader that are on the same level on several subjects. So I bought each one of them their own books for all of these subjects. I was wondering how much having all these books on the Ipad would assist us in streamlining our day, making school more portable, etc.
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For fun (note: this is about distributing, and in the last section the user has a legal copy, so I think the balance would fall towards fair use if you scan a workbook for your own use):
http://teaching.colostate.edu/guides/copyright/ncstatefairuseworksheet.pdf
This link is great. It provides a fair use analysis used by Colorado State. When I answer these questions, I come up w/unfair use when reproducing the workbooks in question. Here's how I answer each one:
1. What is the purpose of the proposed use?
teaching, personal (this answer weighs in favor of fair use)
2. What is the nature of the copyright work to be used?
consumable materials/workbooks (this answer weighs against fair use)
3. How much of the copyrighted work will be used?
large portion or whole (this answer weighs against fair use)
4. What is the effect on the market or potential market for copyrighted work?
replaces sale of copyrighted work (this answer weighs against fair use)
So 3 out of my 4 answers weigh against fair use, so I guess I have my answer. Although I can see where there is grey area in some of these answers. I am considering asking for permission from some publishers I'm interested in and see what happens.
Here's a more detailed explanation of the 4 factors in determining fair use:
http://teaching.colostate.edu/guides/copyright/exemption_fairuse.cfm
Thanks for this information! Wondering how others interpret this as it pertains to using a workbook within a single family.
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Would someone please watch this video sample and tell me what you think? If it's fine done w/o the DVD then I'll go that route. Just wondering for those of you who have been doing AoA already if you think the DVDs look like they would add a whole lot to the study.
Thanks!
http://classicalacademicpress.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=100
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So yes, I think if you scan say a Shurley workbook and write on it digitally rather than buying new copies, that's tacky. Unethical, yeah. I have no clue if that's what you're considering, just picked that because we used it. It's copyrighted material and copyrights extend to digital reproduction. Something like that would be a clear violation of copyright. On the other hand, it's not at all uncommon for authors to give permission if you write them and ask. They may even be considering digital versions. You just never know till you ask.
After reading through another thread that discussed scanning workbooks, I was all set to start scanning all the workbooks for next year. Then my brain kind of came to screeching halt when I stopped to consider the copyright issues. No, I would not want to break any laws so that is why I posted the question. Just checking to see if I was missing something.
I even did a quick search on scanning online and found there are companies that will scan books for you and the market offers really high tech scanners for individuals to have high quality digital copies. The article I read was a little over my head legally speaking and it didn't really answer my question.
It seems like all this new technology has the power to really change the education publishing industry. Electronic textbooks could really save school districts money if they ever become available. Updates and revisions could happen much more quickly too.
Thanks for all the advice. I'll use pdf formated curriculums on the ipad where we can and traditionally workbook the rest. Thankfully, we can afford multiple workbooks.
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Just throwing this out there. If you would use a page protector over the workbook page so that you can reuse it for another DC, or have them write on paper instead of in the book, how is that different to scanning? So long as you purchase the original book and don't on sell it.
See this is what I was thinking. I know families that do this and never considered it an infringement on the copyright.
I would not sell the unused workbook though. Could I give it to someone as a gift?
On the Amazon site, I clicked on the button that tells the publisher you request they make this book available on Kindle for two of the Killgallon books I want to use next year. Maybe we should all go around and do that for all the books we use that are sold by Amazon. ;)
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A lot of things are now available as ebooks. Have you looked for your materials on currclick? or directly from the publisher?
BTW, with the ages of your kids, have you looked at getting Pages or some mindmapping apps? That way they can type their outlines and papers on it.
Thanks for the suggestions! I will check out that those apps. I did find Figuratively Speaking on Currclick. :D
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I'm surprised these kids loved it so much because when I watch the sample video it seems boring to me. We've done Latin for Children A-C so we really like Dr. Perrin.
What did your 6th grader like about it specifically? When did you do the lesson/s? Once a week? How long do they take?
Thanks for the help!
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That would be nice if it were true!
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I already have Math Mammoth. My boys are about to finish the highest level of MM. They did their math on the Ipad this morning and loved it. I know if I use KISS Grammar, which I am considering, I can also put it on the Ipad.
Unfortunately, the stack of workbooks I have sitting here that I'd like to scan into the Ipad say no copying. Just wondering what the process would be to get permission to copy it or if that is possible.
If there's only a handful of PDF variety of curriculums that I use, I don't need to buy my kids their own Ipads. They can just use mine.
I was hoping for a homeschool revolution at my house, I guess! :D
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I was reading a recent thread about school uses for the Ipad and saw where some moms are scanning in workbooks to be filled in on the Ipad. I was seriously considering getting my older kids each an Ipad and save tons of money scanning in workbooks. I would only need to buy 1 instead of 3! Then I considered if this violates copyright laws and I think it does.
That leaves very little that can legally be used on an Ipad by 3 students unless I actually buy 3 workbooks and just put them on the Ipad for ease of use. So if I don't get the big savings and only have the convenience of the Ipads, I can't really justify the purchase of additional Ipads. We already have one and my boys just completed their Math Mammoth on it today and were thrilled. I could continue to let them share mine if they will only be doing math on it. Next year we're using WWS and I think we can buy one PDF copy and use it will all my kids. Is that correct?
What other curriculums can be used legally on the Ipad? If a publisher has a notice about not copying in their cover page, would it be a good idea to contact that publisher and ask if I could buy the rights to make a digital copy and how much that might cost?
More publishers might consider making these available at a lower cost if it might increase the use of their materials, right? I noticed that Killgallon has a Kindle version of their Sentence Composing for Elementary for example. I'd planned to use the Middle School sentence composing but it's not available as a Kindle book. I've heard of some private schools putting all their books onto the Ipad so perhaps this is a trend that homeschool publishers might want to look into.
Ideas? Thoughts?
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Thanks for the replies. I think I'll go forward w/my plan to use AoA next year and do much of it orally. I would like my dc to improve in their written answer skills so I will have them do some of the writing.
Thanks so much!
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I see on the Classical Academia Press site they recomment Art of Argument for 7th and up. Next year my 3 olders will be 6th and 7th grades. I really want to keep my 6th grader and twin 7th graders together for Logic and thought we'd use AoA this year and then delve into Traditional Logic 1 when they were 7th and 8th.
However, the 6th grader is young for her grade since she has an August birthday and I wonder if I'm pushing her too much. Is it a maturity thing with the 7th grade recommendation? Even the WTM book recommends AoA for 7th graders who may not be ready for formal logic yet.
Suggestions?
I'm also wondering what is meant by "write a short essay" answering______. Do they mean a short paragraph or do they mean a 5 paragraph essay? Users of Art of Argument, how do you interpret that?
Thanks!
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To the OP, I think you may want to amend your initial post and make it clear that you are kidding about receiving an email from SL. At least that's what I think you stated in a later post. That is not fair to SL to mislead all these customers that now feel slighted. :confused:
I'm not even a SL customer. Just sayin'.
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Our co-op offers it often to K-2nd graders.
Another fun class idea along the same lines that I did last fall was a Jan Brett class. I did a book a week, studied the country/culture, did hands-on projects, sampled food and music from the country. It was really fun.
Our co-op's FIAR class has much of the same type of activities.
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Biblioplan
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:bigear: I was just logging on to find out how long Art of Argument takes to complete each day. I hope someone chimes in!
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I think you mean Human Odyssey by K12. I ordered it used on Amazon based on all the rave reviews for it here.
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I have 3 students that study history together: twin 6th graders and a 5th grader (next year they'll be 7th and 6th). Up until now we have always done history together which centers around us listening to SOTW or me reading the spine when we used Joy Hakim Story of U.S. books. This method lends itself well to group discussion and getting history done in a timely manner. Their independent work has consisted of reading historic literature and completing outlines from Kingfisher when they reached the logic age.
For next year, I'm looking at using K12 Human Odyssey as our spine, primary sources, and probably independent historic literature. My question is should we continue to read our spines together and do review questions/discussion together? My main problem w/separating it out and making it individual reading is sharing one book among 3 students. We could read it together and then they could outline it individually right? After reading the first few chapters, I can see how my kids would be better served reading it individually. Should I buy more copies of the book?
I'm just wondering how others do logic stage history when you have more than one student on the same grade level.
Thanks!
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Here's the link to the place I buy it. It's called the TLS Mint spray.
http://texaslicesquad.com/products.html
If you don't have a comb like the one they sell, then I recommend getting it too. If I ever hear of someone having lice among our friends I usually just start combing. One time I thought we might have lice and it was at the beginning of VBS and I was the director, so needless to say I was a bit overwhelmed at the possibility. I went to the Texas Lice Squad, which is close to me, and had them check each of our heads. I watched how they used the comb on dry hair and flicked the comb into a clear plastic container full of water. They said the water magifies what comes off of the comb and makes it easier to see if there are nits/lice or not. I do that now myself whenever I am concerned. Plus I use it on wet hair when they have just washed and conditioned it, but I work in big sections. Almost like combing out their hair with it. I do that a few times thinking that if we did come into contact with lice I will put a stop to it before it has a chance to become an issue. At the Texas Lice Squad they recommend coming out your child's hair once a week (I don't do that) and anytime they sleep over at a friends' house.
I also keep tea tree oil shampoo on hand, but I don't like how it dries out their hair. This mint oil spray smells good and I keep it in the car.
Hope this helps!
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As for why those moms stick with Abby Lee, I can only imagine that she gets results and I imagine that they never show any of the supportive and/or nice things she says to the girls.
I don't know why I watch this show, but last night I actually saw a glimpse of Abby Lee saying nice encouraging things to the girls. She almost sounded sweet. She can't be as bad as the show portrays or those girls would never want to be there. But they claim they love it.
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I find this one HILARIOUS because the longer I teach public school, the more home school material I use. :D Public school curricula isn't geared towards students being in different learning places at different times. Home school curricula is. The philosophies I have learned here and reading about home schooling in general has given me far more ideas about how to teach in my public school than anything written about public school.
Love this!! :D
Ipads-scanning in workbooks, etc.
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Thanks for that info. I bought a stylus this week from Walmart for $13 and it works really well. We're doing Math Mammoth using PDF-Notes and it is great.
I was wondering if something like the Wacom Bamboo tablet existed to be used with a computer. I'll have to show that to my tech advisor when we gets home tonight. ;)