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US airlines didn't fly into or out of Tel Aviv for a couple of days. That is quite different from stopping all air traffic to and from an entire country for the duration of an outbreak of Ebola.
Is there an urgent necessity for people to travel to/from Liberia, vs the need to prevent more ebola from coming to the U.S.? For urgent matters, perhaps an airline stoppage to Liberia would be appropriate. We could still send help via the U.S. military rather than commercial air.
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What have you seen going on in Africa?
The truth is, HASMAT couldn't come in and clean because they didn't have the proper permits. Most of Africa doesn't even have permits.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/02/us/texas-woman-quarantine-ebola-thomas-duncan/index.html
"That hadn't happened as of Thursday evening. Men in trucks from Cleaning Guys, a company that specializes in hazmat and biohazard cleaning services, was turned away for lack of the necessary permit to transport hazardous waste on Texas highways, it said."
There's a pic from WFAA channel 8 showing two guys using a pressure washer to clean up the outdoor ebola vomit. They don't have any type of protective clothing on. (and I have to wonder if a pressure washer would be appropriate in this situation) I imagine by now those guys are under quarantine too.
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Who precisely is going to impose this travel ban? It is not as if the US has some kind of authority to tell people in other countries they cannot cross their own borders. Only Liberia could impose a rule that people cannot leave Liberia for any reason, though even they could likely not enforce it. And do we really think it is desirable foe governments to behave in such strong-handed ways? Does their constitution even allow for such drastic measures? That also seems like a way to prevent any further foreign aid...who is going to send aid workers in if they are forbidden to leave? I would not volunteer for such an assignment!
Didn't we stop flights to/from Israel earlier this summer because of concerns about missile attacks?
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Some countries have already suspended flights to the area.
Stopping more flights would hinder relief efforts. The US currently has medical staff, aid workers, soldiers and other people working on solving this crisis. Stopping all flights will prevent them from rotating staff in and out which will overburden the workers that are in place.
Doctors without Borders rotates staff every four weeks they need to be able to do that. Soldiers need to get in and out. Supplies need to be flown in.
There are already reductions in flights to the region and reducing that further will only prevent those who are actually working to stop this crises from doing their jobs, thus it would only make things WORSE rather than help anything.
I will sign a petition NOT to stop flights to the region because I care about these people being able to do their jobs.
The U.S. military can still get there if commercial flights are stopped.
Right now I'm very concerned for the children of the Dallas area.
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I can only hope they learn from their mistakes. I don't think anyone is arguing at this point that they didn't make a number of mistakes.
I don't know, people were speaking pretty confidently yesterday about how we didn't need to worry because it's hard to transmit, CDC has it under control, blah blah blah. They sounded like press releases for the CDC, but not realistic in terms of what could actually happen.
Time will tell, but I think it wouldn't hurt anyone to stock up on food supplies and masks/wipes "just in case."
If that's "freaking out," so be it.
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Yeah I guess all the contaminated stuff, from bed clothing to everything else, remained there for days.
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I know someone who had a similar symptom. She ended up seeing an endocrinologist. It was some kind of mitochondrial thing. That's kinda serious, so hopefully not that.
It could be as simple as a vitamin deficiency.
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Was he there when she died, or when the brother died? If his only contact was the taxi incident, it is entirely possible he didn't know exactly what the problem was.
Personally, I suspect he knew he had been exposed. Whether he planned the trip to the US before or after exposure, he would have followed through knowing he had been exposed in the hope of escaping the disease or, if he caught it, having a better chance of survival.
How many of us would lie if we thought we had a 70% chance of dying if we didn't lie, and a much better chance at life if we did?
I guess we can't know unless we experience the situation. However, I'd LIKE to think I wouldn't knowingly hop on a plane with a deadly disease and expose countless people along the way, including my family at the other end.
It doesn't exactly fit in the "white lie" category.
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I would just be guessing, but being cooped up in a house is not very easy and extremely stressful. At some point, Jinnah, we have to realize that there isn't much control over things. Imposing super high restrictions on people is difficult, costly, and (to a great extent) unfair. It is...unAmerican. It is so easy to have contact with a hundred people. Panic does no good. We just have to hope for the best and realize that in many ways, this disease is unlike others we are more familiar with. The flu, for example, is more contagious BEFORE symptoms present. With ebola, we DO have warning.
Difficult and costly quarantining restrictions are nothing compared to difficult and costly UNCHECKED PANDEMICS.
Just sayin.
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I am going to ask, why are you so afraid of this? What media sources are you so tuned into that have you so scared that no matter what anyone says you are freaking out?
I think it's worth our close attention because I don't think the authorities can be trusted to be completely level with the information. In fact, if it weren't for the Liberian community in the Dallas area, I don't think we'd know there was an ebola patient at the hospital.
Which isn't to suggest we need to panic, just that we need to take everything that is said with a grain of salt, or maybe even a carton.
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There is no need to quarantine anyone he came into contact with BEFORE he started exhibiting symptoms. He was not contagious until that point.
This morning NPR interviewed an infectious disease specialist from U of Texas. He said that it takes awhile (didn't define "awhile") even after a person begins running a fever before they're contagious. He said that public health officials are monitoring those people twice a day, taking their temperature.
His travel was fairly long, from Liberia to Brussels to Dulles to Dallas. He could've had no symptoms at the start. (or not. Who's to know how much he was lying about?) It had been four days since he had contact with the sick person, and the median time for start of symptoms is five days.
According to what you're saying there's "no need" to quarantine the exposed schoolchildren. And yet they are.
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I didn't suggest they should, but that *I* would.
The more logical answer, imho, would be to keep the EXPOSED kids out. I can't imagine how that's not common sense.
Technically they're not contagious unless they're showing symptoms. So maybe it violates their rights to force them to stay home when they're not symptomatic.
Although the CDC website does say that it can be spread my coughing/sneezing if mucous lands on another person. (that person would have to touch their mouth, nose or eyes afterward, I'm guessing)
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The director of Critical Event Preparedness at Johns Hopkins just said to expect "many more" cases of travel-related ebola coming to the U.S.
I do think the guy knew he had it. His employer said he quit his job unexpectedly with no explanation.
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This morning CNN is reporting the man had contact with 80 people, not 18.
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WBAP reported this afternoon that the 5 children were back in school today, in their respective schools. I wonder if at some point they will pull them out proactively. ?? I would, were I the health commish.
Other parents are pulling THEIR kids out proactively.
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You do realize that the CDC had nothing to do with an error at a hospital intake in Dallas, right?
That's partly the point. There is a lot of room for human error at "hospital in U-Name-It." There are a lot of people who need to do everything right to keep a lid on this thing, from flight attendants to TSA to after hours clinic people and on and on.
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The CDC does not have a good grip on the potential course of this disease, as evidenced by the statements from CDC officials, linked below. Therefore, I don't trust their judgment in this situation. Why would anyone trust their judgment, when they have spent the last 2-3 months back-tracking on previous statements regarding spread of the virus?
In July 2014, they said ebola was unlikely to make it to the US in any way:
http://www.empr.com/cdc-ebola-unlikely-to-spread-to-us/article/363260/
By August 2014, they said it was unlikely that people from West Africa would bring the disease here:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101904166
By September, the CDC said ebola was likely to spread beyond West Africa: http://www.salon.com/2014/09/02/cdc_ebola_could_rapidly_spread_beyond_west_africa/
Then the CDC amended their previous statements to say that the they will work to make sure ebola doesn't spread in the US (also from a September 2014 statement):
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-make-ebola-spread-us/story?id=25876311
Followed by CDC statement saying an ebola spread is "inevitable"
http://www.preppersworldusa.com/2014/08/08/cdc-bombshell-ebola-spread-usa-inevitable/
Now it is October 2014, a mere 2 months and few days from their orginial denial of the disease spreading beyond West Africa, and they are trying to convince US citizens that there won't be "wide- spread" ebola disease in the US:
http://mashable.com/2014/09/30/cdc-ebola-case-us/
If we were more educated we would better understand the CDC's position, whichever one it happens to be at the moment. Hopefully there won't be many more patients getting lost in various "shuffles" or "two-steps" as spokespersons "dos-I-do" through their press conferences.
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He did not have symptoms on the airplane. Ebola is not contagious when the patient doesn't have symptoms, therefore no one on that plane is in danger of contracting Ebola from him. It also doesn't live on surfaces. so you can't get it from the proverbial shared toilet seat. Nothing he touched will have the virus, even if he spit on something or missed the bowl while using the toilet (since it spreads by bodily fluids some might wonder if he left fluids on the plane, but if he did that's still not a concern).
You sound pretty sure of yourself, there, when we can't be sure of all that. I think the CDC is telling us generally what they think is true, what they hope is true, not necessarily what actually is 100 percent true. They don't have enough experience with it to know.
Now being reported that five schoolchildren have been exposed.
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They apparently have a second person under watch that they are concerned about. However the doctor that gave that interview may have said more than the CDC wanted him to, and I haven't seen any follow up or anything on the news about it this morning.
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Ambulance was used 48 times before being taken out of service for decontamination.
I know, you're more likely to be STRUCK by an ambulance than get ebola from one...
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Local news in Dallas is saying the ebola victim came in close contact with 12-18 people.
That's from a friend with a teevee. I don't live in Dallas.
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I suspect the vast, vast majority of people worry too much and do more harm to their body via the side effects of worrying than is likely to happen to them from ebola. If they watch fiction instead - esp comedy - they will do more medical good for their body.
If one feels they might have come in contact with the victim's fluids, then they ought to take the proper precautions and get help at the first sign of any issue.
It's always best to keep risk in perspective rather than getting alarmed at very low risk deals.
One is more likely to get the flu and have issues from that to be honest.
One is ALWAYS more likely to die of a heart attack or in a car accident.
However there have to be certain people in the Dallas area who are wondering where that man may have traveled in the days before he made it to the ER.
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When I hear described what happened in Nigeria to get the outbreak there under control. Yeah. We can do that here. CDC can rack down every person affected and take temps everyday and check for symptoms, etc. If they can do it in Nigeria, they can do it here.
If they know who is "affected."
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The Americans in those areas are mostly medical staff, volunteers, aid workers, or soldiers on humanitarian missions. IMO all those people have the right to come back for treatment because while I am sitting on my hind end on the Internets they are actually doing something.
My dh's uncle works with Doctors Without Borders. He has been to Africa more than once, he didn't happen to be there during an Ebola outbreak but even then...I would want him to be able to get back.
Not sure what this "right to come back" is, but when it comes to pubic health a 21-day quarantine sure would be nice.
Is there not an Ebola in Dallas thread yet?
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I guess I would expect better clean-up techniques in the U.S. than unprotected guys using a pressure washer, and without any kind of protective clothing.
And all that stuff in the apartment was still there four days later?
I guess they didn't suspect ebola!
Hopefully the Hazmat teams are on it now.