jacqui in mo Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 My dd is in eighth grade & we have be using SOTW & KHE for history. We have been outlining very generally from the KHE last year. I'm wanting her to be more comprehensive this year, having a main topic with subtopics for each paragraph in the text. Yesterday's KHE assignment had 6 paragraphs. She generally can get the topic sentence/main point of the paragraph, but has trouble identifying the sub topics (Let alone any sub points of those). We've been through R&S exercises on outlines but it hasn't helped her here. How can I help her look for the subtopics in a paragraph? (w/o crying would be nice:)) Should these type of outlines be topical outlines or sentence outlines? How picky should I be to have her write outlines that are as parallel as possible? If you have any suggestions, I'd really appreciate it! Jacqui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alana in Canada Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 I've heard that KHE is difficult to outline and apprently it isn't recommended anymore. I've actually tried--and I struggle! Try something else. Perhaps the Haaren materials? Blast, www.mainlesson seems to be down. John Haaren wrote The Famous Men of....series. Hope you get some better rcommendations! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peela Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Yes, dont worry, KHE is hard to outline and you don't need to keep struggling with it. I read SWB recommend people use the library books they get out each week (choose one, I guess). What I did was choose a particular book I had for our country's history (Australia) which was straightforward to outline, for our parallel stream of Australian history, and we just did assignments /reports for world history. Many people find different ways. I am getting my dd to outline an essay before writing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deb in NZ Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 their science (Apologia). I found KHE too hard to successfully outline. Blessings, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFSinIL Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 I could not get my kids to outline from KHE - it is too densely written. Choose selection from their science book, or another history book from the library, to practice outlining. We just use KHE as a reference book now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithfamily5 Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 I thought it was just me! We struggled all year last year with outlining from the Kingfisher. I really wanted my daughter to do more of it ON HER OWN this year. But, after reading this, now I know it's not just her. She does have trouble with reading comprehension. Which is our main area of focus this year. Thank you so much for this post. It was a confirmation of sorts for me! Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janice H Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 I am in complete agreement with others here re: Kingfisher outlining. Outlining, however, was not well understood by dd until we used Classical Writing Homer, which teaches outlining using narrative models. The "scenes" of a historical or fiction narrative form the basis for the outline. This made sense to my daughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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