Leslie in TN Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I have everything for TOG Year 2.. "upgraded" to digital (huge mistake for our family :tongue_smilie:) since I ended up not liking the DE and never using it. TOG itself was also not a good fit at all for us. So can someone tell me what I AM allowed to do with this huge stack of year plans and CD's and stuff? :confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 You mean as far as getting rid of it? My understanding is that you aren't allowed to sell it. Maybe you can gift it to someone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie in TN Posted July 19, 2012 Author Share Posted July 19, 2012 You mean as far as getting rid of it? My understanding is that you aren't allowed to sell it. Maybe you can gift it to someone? Yes, I wasn't even sure if "gifting" or "trading" were allowed. The thought of just throwing it out makes me shudder, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmichigan Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 (edited) Yes, I wasn't even sure if "gifting" or "trading" were allowed. The thought of just throwing it out makes me shudder, though. I didn't think it was either. O thought the license was for immediate family only. I guess you could call TOG and ask. Edited July 19, 2012 by melmichigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paisley Hedgehog Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 nm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anmom Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Oh my, I would be so extremely happy if gifting was allowed and someone passed that along to me. Our family loves it! Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromA2Z Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I believe a saw a post on the yahoo TOG Loose threads group, where Marcia, herself said that gifting a print edition was Ok as long as the original owner deleted all digital off their computers. Iow you can't gift the print copy if you "keep" the digital for yourself. I'll see if I can pull up a link for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromA2Z Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 This is Marcia Sommerville response in loaning TOG as posted in the Loose Threads group. I didn't link it as you need to be a member to view it. First of all, when you buy TOG, you do own it. *This is true for your printed copy and for the Loom. *It's true for all Lampstand Products. If you own anything, you can loan it, but there are copyright concerns to note. *I'll try to summarize succinctly below. *(The caps are for emphasis; I'm not yelling at anyone. :-)) * You CAN loan the TOG (all of it) to anyone at any time, but not if you use it simultaneously in any form. *This is the same law as is standard for books, music, software, or whatever. *What is WRONG is loaning or sharing copywritten information WHILE USING IT YOUSELF. Thus, if you own, say, Year 1 and are using Year 2 next year, and you want to loan Year 1 to a friend in the meantime, that's fine. *It works the same as a music CD, which I think most of us understand, or a book. *If you own a book or a music CD, you can use a scanner or a recorder to make a copy for your own use within your own home/car. For instance, I can copy a disc I have onto my computer or my iPod, and use them in different places. *But just as obviously, I will not be using it in two different forms at the same time. *What would be wrong would be for me to make several copies and share them with my college students, who would then listen to them SIMULTANEOUSLY with me during a given day. *It's the same with software: I can't load a program onto my PC and then give it to a friend to load onto her PC and use simultaneously. *But, say I didn't want a program any more for any reason. *I could erase it from my computer and give her the software to use. * The underlying idea, therefore, is that an artist or author is cheated of rightful royalties if two copies of one purchased work are used simultaneously. *But, you are free to loan your property whenever you wish, as long as you ensure that the person to whom you loan materials will not copy and keep them for later simultaneous use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimm Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 My last conversation with TOG ended with one of the owners telling me that I could not sell, loan, or gift my copy to anyone without violating [something]. It had to do with the licensing fees that TOG paid to World Book or some such. He told me to throw it out. Yes, like, into the garbage can. This was a print version of Classic, too. :glare: I haven't bought anything from them since. In this case, perhaps giving the printed out stuff to someone who already owns it? That way you're not giving them anything they don't already have, but you are saving them the paper, ink and time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Yes, the above quote from Marcia is why I thought that gifting might be allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 In this case, perhaps giving the printed out stuff to someone who already owns it? That way you're not giving them anything they don't already have, but you are saving them the paper, ink and time. But when you upgrade to DE, don't you have to send in your Loom CD? And don't you need the Loom CD to use the program? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmichigan Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 I wonder if you could gift your print copies to someone who already owns DE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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