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I need help from all of you experienced hs geniuses...

 

I had all of my curriculum purchased, and are on our second official day of hs'ing my 2nd and 5th graders.

 

My kids are just coming out of public school, and I wanted to transition them over to the WTM/Charlotte Mason style of schooling. So I thought that FLL3 would be a decent place to introduce my dd to narration/dictation, etc., but it's just WAY too simple. Should I just stick with it, or switch to something else? We are covering stuff like the title of a book says it's name. She is giggling at me! :lol:

 

Any ideas as to what I could do with her for LA this year? We are studying Ancients, if that is relative at all.

 

Thanks!

 

Gwen

brand new HS Mama

 

dd, 10 5th grader

ds, 7 2nd grader

dd, 18 mos.

and our last little one is on the way.

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We used FLL 3 in 4th grade and really enjoyed it. It was my son's favorite subject. I guess you have looked through the whole book? It does get much more complicated. It was my son's intro. to diagramming and I'm really glad we started with it. You may want to consider FLL 4. My understanding is that it reviews FLL 3 and is an appropriate starting point. We've now moved on to Rod & Staff 4 and it definately requires more of the student. I think it's the popular choice for a more demanding course.

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My kids are just coming out of public school' date=' and I wanted to transition them over to the WTM/Charlotte Mason style of schooling. So I thought that FLL3 would be a decent place to introduce my dd to narration/dictation, etc., but it's just WAY too simple. Should I just stick with it, or switch to something else? We are covering stuff like the title of a book says it's name. She is giggling at me! :lol:

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I have a 3rd grader that is coming out of PS too, and was wanting to use FLL also. I'm interested to hear what the "hive" says!

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I enjoy WTM/CM style homeschooling, and have had great sucess with Intermediate Language Lessons. It's a great little book (very reasonably priced) that provides lessons in narration, dictation, writing, outlining, picture study and gentle grammar. It's designed to be used in 4th through 6th grades, and my son will be using the last section this year for 6th. It may be a reasonable option for you to consider if you decide to go with something different. There are opportunities to make up stories based on paintings or poems and I sometimes have a child illustrate it as well.

I haven't seem FLL3 so I can't comment there, but I thought I'd mention what works for us.

Blessings,

Aimee

mom to 6 great kids ages 6-18, schooling grades 1, 3, 3 and 6

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FLL is a grammar program that has some copy work and dictation in it. Writing With Ease (WWE) is primarily copy work, dictation, and narration. There are 4 levels of WWE, although I believe only the first two levels have workbooks. Of course there is the text of WWE that you could make your own sheets with. Also, there is FLL 4 if you think level 3 is too easy.

 

HTH

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I don't have any help for you. But at least she's giggling. :) I pulled my 2nd grade dd out of public school and tried to do FLL 1/2 with her. She spent a lot of time shouting at me, "I already know what a noun is! This is stupid!" I decided to try Growing with Grammar at that point. She didn't like that either b/c it is so dry. We are going with Sonlight for our curriculum this year, and their LA looks like it will be a better fit for us (we're 2 whole days into it ;) )

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I wouldn't do FLL 3 or 4 with a 5th grader. I find them awfully simple as well. What I would do is think about how you want to approach the whole of LA. Do you want a big grammar emphasis? Would you prefer grammar taught within the scope of writing? Do you want alot of memory work? Here are some options that would be age appropriate depending on what you are looking for.

 

Writing Tales - this teaches writing, grammar, structure etc with a focus on writing. It can be done with or without a separate grammar program.

 

Junior Analytical Grammar - this is the "younger" version of Analytical grammar. It's a short but effective coverage of basic grammar. It covers diagramming as well. It does not do any writing instruction. My ideal would be to pair this with Writing Tales.

 

If you think she's respond well to memory work, then Shurley English is another option. It classifies sentences rather than diagrams but that's ok at this stage. The students learn jingles for grammar definitions. I prefer other writing programs so I'd just use it for grammar/usage. It would also work with Writing Tales (can you tell I like Writing Tales?)

 

Does this help at all?

 

Heather

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There is also a guide to go with this at Lost Classics Books and wookbooks to go with it through Living Books curriculum I believe. It seems gentle but is very challenging. You could pace it to finish it in 2 years easily.

 

My plan is to get the guide and the workbook,...then you don't need the book itself, but it is available online for free through google books. Search "Emma Serl Intermediate Language Lessons".

 

I enjoy WTM/CM style homeschooling, and have had great sucess with Intermediate Language Lessons. It's a great little book (very reasonably priced) that provides lessons in narration, dictation, writing, outlining, picture study and gentle grammar. It's designed to be used in 4th through 6th grades, and my son will be using the last section this year for 6th. It may be a reasonable option for you to consider if you decide to go with something different. There are opportunities to make up stories based on paintings or poems and I sometimes have a child illustrate it as well.

I haven't seem FLL3 so I can't comment there, but I thought I'd mention what works for us.

Blessings,

Aimee

mom to 6 great kids ages 6-18, schooling grades 1, 3, 3 and 6

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Thank you for the excellent recommendations!

Here is the Emma Serl book Intermediate Language Lessons in case anyone else want to see it:

http://books.google.com/books?id=JzIXAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA258&lpg=PA258&dq=free+Emma+Serl+Intermediate+Language+Lessons&source=bl&ots=RyuApV3WVQ&sig=lksCiQ46cDKjz2ag1ISvN0eTniI&hl=en&ei=dC9mSuquCMO3tweWkZH4Dw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4

 

Any other recommendations for me?

Being new to the WTM/Charlotte Mason style of teaching...and honestly, to teaching in general, I am possibly not distinguishing between 'gentle' and 'too easy' :D

 

Thanks so much!

Gwen

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Do you want your dd to learn diagramming? I know that FLL3 gets into diagramming sentences. Have you looked through the table of contents and chosen the lessons that you feel are appropriate for your dd? You don't have to do them all, you know. If you look through the book and feel that there is enough challenge for your dd in most of the lessons, I'd say stick with it and just skip the lessons that are way too easy. If most of it looks way too easy, you could peruse the TOC of FLL4 and see what you think of that.

 

Tara

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I would say that my dd is of average ability in grammar (though she has not done sentence diagramming yet). We are remediateing phonetics in her spelling program this year. She's an avid writer, but needs instruction on organizing her thoughts/compositions. She learns best when she sees a valid application...so I think learning grammar with or through writing would be a great fit for her.

 

So Rod & Staff is grammar only, or a combination program? Tell me more, please! :)

 

Gwen

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R&S teaches both grammar (including diagramming) and writing in their books. If she needs a review, just start with book 4 instead of 5 and let her work at her own pace. There is a lot of writing in the R&S books so if she enjoys writing she would enjoy them. I've used Abeka and LLATL as well and neither of them are as well thought out and planned as R&S. My oldest is in 11th grade so we have been through many of their books and she has a firm grasp on grammar and writing that most of her piers just do not have.

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I would say that my dd is of average ability in grammar (though she has not done sentence diagramming yet). We are remediateing phonetics in her spelling program this year. She's an avid writer, but needs instruction on organizing her thoughts/compositions. She learns best when she sees a valid application...so I think learning grammar with or through writing would be a great fit for her.

 

So Rod & Staff is grammar only, or a combination program? Tell me more, please! :)

 

Gwen

 

I would definately look into the classical approach to writing then. I recommended Writing Tales earlier which I find to be the more user friendly choice for the earlier years and then we use Classical Writing after that. It combines grammar and writing, gives students exercises in rewriting models, learning to organize their thoughts, seeing how using words in different ways affects the writing etc. My oldest is now into the Classical writing books that teach essays and she is really learning to build and defend a thesis, choose important points, stay on topic etc.

 

As far as grammar goes - I can not stand Rod and Staff. My oldest did 3 years of it. It was torture to do and even though she did very well on the exercises and the tests, she didn't retain any of it. Analytical Grammar was what she used and has often been told she has a terrific grasp of grammar. She told an outside Latin class last year and her teach was amazed.

 

Heather

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Junior Analytical Grammar - this is the "younger" version of Analytical grammar. It's a short but effective coverage of basic grammar. It covers diagramming as well. It does not do any writing instruction. My ideal would be to pair this with Writing Tales.

 

Heather

 

We love Junior Analytical Grammar here!

 

Heather

 

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I would recommend Junior Analytical Grammar. My now 10 dd completed FLL 3 in 3rd grade with no problem, then went on to BJU 5 (FLL 4 was not out yet, and BJU 4 was too much review of what we covered in FLL 3). This year she will be using Junior Analytical Grammar and the Writing Trails series. My 13 ds also used JAG in 5th, and then moved on to AG.

Shurley would be our 2nd choice.

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Okee-dokey...I really HUGELY appreciate all of the great suggestions and input! Here is the decision I have come to:

 

I will thumb through and pick out review lessons from FLL 3, and we'll do those while we wait on the new stuff to arrive. Instead of dropping another $100+ on Writing Tails & Junior Analytical Grammar, I will go with the Intermediate Language Lessons + the teachers manual off of Amazon. The pair is less than $30 and in keeping with the style of education that I wanted to introduce this year, plus it's used for ages 9-12. So I should be able to get some good mileage off of it. I can remediate anything that it doesn't cover from my FLL3...I will just save the FLL3 workbook to use for my son next year.

 

At the end of this year, I'll re-evaluate dd and more than likely, we'll go with the Writing Tales/AG option for next year (when I have a book budget again :)

 

Thank you all again SO much for your input! It's been fun looking at the different options and hearing all of your success stories and ideas!

 

Gwen

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For Charlotte Mason style grammar/writing, Emma Serl is a good choice. Or a similar product with an updated look is offered by Queen's Language Lessons:

 

http://www.queenhomeschool.com/productpages/Language%20Lessons/Language%20Lessons.html

 

The workbook is $22.95 and I don't think you need the teacher guide - the lessons are pretty straight forward. I bought mine from Children's Books and the shipping was only $4.

http://www.homeschooldiscountproducts.com/servlet/Categories?category=Queen+Homeschool+Supplies

 

Emma Serl's book is also offered in color (instead of b&w) on Rainbow Resource.

 

Have you checked out SimplyCharlotteMason.com? I love their products! And they offer excellent advice for CM-style curriculum.

 

Best Wishes,

Ann

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Thanks for the suggestion to look at Junior Analytical Grammar! I've been planning to combine the sentence labeling and writing from Shurley with the Diagramming and other stuff in R & S. The Junior Analytical Grammar does the grammar portion for me in only 11 weeks!

 

Also, I downloaded the Writing Novel's workbook and it is awesome! There is a month of writing!

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