This link details some of the changes in design of the Arrow guides... http://store.bravewriter.com/collections/arrow-single-issues Also, I'm pretty sure that the pricing of the Arrows determines which ones are the older ones and which ones are newer. Older $7.95--Newer $9.95

Reading through your son's comments and his abilities as you expressed, regarding CTC, it sounds like he was possibly placed incorrectly in the CTC guide. I wonder if placing him in RTR or higher would have been a better fit?

Hi MrsMe, could you please remove my quote (up-thread) from one of your posts? I found out that text posted from another site is prohibited here and I don't want to get booted off here for it ; ) Thanks. Post # 29, btw.

Sorry, I had to edit/remove the HOD writing progression information because I just read in one of the pinned posts on this forum that we are not permitted to copy text from another site and post it here. I get that : ) So, if you want to read HOD's writing progression it can be found through a search on their forum : ) And oops, it looks like the text was quoted in another post....should probably remove that quote, too ; )

Thank you. Okay, it is looking like I might need to wait a little on WWS for my dd if we go that route. She loves to write, but it's a lot of free writing and creative writing, and she hasn't had much formal writing. I wonder what a good lead-in prior to WWS would be. I've been looking into CAP W&R again (not sure which level, though), and SWI from IEW. I'm pretty much all over the place again on writing for her ; )

Thanks, happypamama. I'm trying to figure out placement with WWS...not sure my dd is quite ready for it. I've read that it's about right for a kid that is writing at about a 5th grade level. Do you find that to be right? My daughter will be in 6th, but not sure how to determine her level of writing. Thanks for any help.

Never mind, I figured it out. Thanks : )

Would it be considered overkill to use these simultaneously, or make for a good plan? Thanks.

I've been looking at the workbooks from Critical Thinking Co., they are the Mathematical Reasoning books. They look like they would make a good go-along with TT to provide more opportunities for problem solving. It looks like they have a pretty straightforward/traditional scope and sequence but the concepts seem to be presented in a critical thinking type of way....mind bender stuff, puzzles, and so forth. Anyway, we've used TT in the past and when I started looking into the Mathematical Reasoning books, I thought they'd pair well with TT.

I felt the same as your daughter about ATB. I borrowed it from a friend to look it over and was bummed to find that it just seemed fact-based and lacked an interesting story line. It also seemed "snippety" in its presentation like it lacked depth and fleshing out of topics. That is probably due to it being more of an overview, but it just wasn't what I was looking for. I actually borrowed it a second time hoping I'd come at it with fresh eyes and I just couldn't get into it. I am finding the Hakim history books to be interesting in their presentation.

Okay, last one... http://www.amazon.com/Little-Pea-Amy-Krouse-Rosenthal/dp/081184658X/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1426448573&sr=1-1

And here's another family favorite... http://www.amazon.com/Petes-Pizza-William-Steig/dp/0062051571/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=1-1&qid=1426448413

This isn't a classic picture book, but both my girls (ages, 7and II) and I loved it. The story is written from the crayons' perspective and it's hilarious and fun. http://www.amazon.com/The-Crayons-Quit-Drew-Daywalt/dp/0399255370

Great, thanks for sharing this : )

Thank you for your thoughts and helpful suggestions. Hopefully, things will fall into place pretty soon : )

I have two girls, ages 8 (almost) and II. My II-year-old is really needing more time with kids outside the home. She's been asking about going to traditional school a lot lately because she thinks it sounds fun. I know she is envisioning time with friends. She does have friends, of course, but it seems like they have become busier and busier lately as they get older...one friend's schedule has become so packed, we rarely see her anymore. We are very lucky as we have a homeschool family in the neighborhood, so my girls get play time that way, but they are a very busy family and aren't home much of the time anymore. I haven't had much luck with homeschool groups, it seems it's so hard to find the right fit there. One of the main groups around here is very judgmental and legalistic, in my opinion, and the other has members that don't even say hello and turn the other way when I've tried to integrate at park days. I find homeschool groups look great on paper, but when you actually experience them in person it's a whole different feel. I've had my daughter signed up with community classes, but friendships have never been established that way. Same with basketball, it's been a great experience, but no friendships develop as a result. I'm looking for ideas to find ways for my girls to make lasting friendships with other kids. Not a lot to ask, right, lol? Thanks for any help.

Sister Wendy DVDs for art. She has a thick British accent, but we love her ; ) Thankfully, I bought the DVD set when it was on sale. : ) http://www.amazon.com/Sister-Wendy-The-Complete-Collection/dp/B00006G8FJ

Maybe Always Ice Cream (marketed for girls) or Clever Dragons (marketed for boys).

Sorry, one final question...are the Killgallon books consumable? Thanks.

LOL, SparklyUnicorn ; ) Hmmm...I'm suddenly hungry for bacon, dancing bacon.

Terrific, thanks so much for all the help with this : ) I feel like I have passed through the fog and understand the pieces better : )

Thank you, Chrysalis Academy, for the link. Your daughter's writing is fantastic...WOW. :) For the Fable student book, I assume I'd need one for each kid, is that right? Also, if I went with the Killgallon Sentence Composing for Elementary, which Killgallon book would be the logical follow-up to it? Would it be Sentence Composing for Middle School, or Paragraphs for Middle School? Then there's Story Grammar for Elementary, and Grammar for Elementary, Grammar for Middle, and so on. Is there somewhere I could get a hold of a sequence for the Killgallon products? I did a search online and couldn't find an official publisher's website or anything. Thank you : )

Thank you, I appreciate you all taking the time to help. I think I might go ahead with it, and at minimum, it can be our group writing lab of sorts ; )

Thanks, ladies. Hmmm...Not sure how to proceed. My II and almost 8-year old are pretty much equivalent as far as writing goes, so was hoping to combine them, but maybe that's not a good idea. They are both super creative and get into writing their own "chapter" books and creative stories much of the time. Maybe I could combine them in the next level up from Fable? I don't know....Maybe combining isn't the most sensible. I do love working with both of them at the same time, they like that as well. Plus, they both liked the idea of focusing on fables. I'm probably tying too hard to make this work, though, lol. ; )

Thank you. I am considering W&R Book I/Fable along with Killgallon Sentence Composing for Elementary, does that sound about right? I was planning to possibly include my soon-to-be 8-year old as well.