My dd11 used SM and then MUS up through division. We started LOF Fractions and she just needed extra practice on some of the basics. So, I picked up Ray's Arithmetic and R&S 5 Math. I have to admit I never really gave R&S Math a second glance but now that we are into it I love it! (I also love LOF but she needed some supplementation on basic math.) Well, I have a question for some of you that may have seen Ray's Arithmetic. Do you think R&S patterns it in a lot of ways? For example, I noticed right off that some of the oral drill looks similar to Ray's but R&S is much easier to teach since there are more instructions in the teacher's guide.

I was referring to the original post for this thread. I might have missed something in between the first and last thread of this post. I do not know why Amazon has it listed...maybe a mistake? But of course, I am no authority here.

If I remember correctly, there will only be the pdf proof copies available this year due to the time spent getting WWS ready. There is no promise of when future levels of ALL will be available. So, essentially, if we are willing to work with the pdf proof copies we will be able to use it for free this year:001_smile:

I am trying to pick from these texts that I have on hand for Latin. Which would you choose for a 15 dd that has had only Latina Christiana 1, and why? Oh, and I have not taken Latin myself but I do want to learn with my dd. 1. Jenney First Year Latin--I picked up this 1958 student text and do not have the teacher's edition so obviously that would make it hard to use unless I can find it. Maybe someone knows of a good place to look? I really like the looks of it. 2. Wheelock's Latin, Barnes & Noble Outline, 3rd edition 3. Latin Road to English Grammar--I have TE, Student pages, but I guess I would need to buy the pronunciation cd. Thank you!

Yes, please send me a pm! Thanks for the classical workbook link. It looks really neat! I'd be happy to help you any way I can with math.:001_smile:

Lewelma, You might look at recent posts on the sticky for WWS. SWB looked at my plan there. Of course, I have an older student right now but this might help you see how you could work it out with WWS.

Thank you both! I will keep you posted! I'm just going to throw this out there...in all my searching I came across a website, "Trivium Pursuit". The Bluedorns wrote Teaching the Trivium. Have either one of you read it? My children seem to fall more in the stages as they have them laid out. Feel free to pm me if you want.

Thank you, Martha! Yes, math/science is where I have confidence. I'm actually trained as a math teacher and have a degree in Animal Science. So, I'm totally comfortable there. Thanks for the link!

Hi! I will answer in a different color above.

Elizabeth, I believe I am right about the nonsense words. I was quickly looking through samples of workbooks on cbd. So, having my ds4 see "Aa" on the Phonics Made Plain cards is fine? Then, if he insists on writing "a, ay, ah" as a capital A instead of lowercase a would that cause any potential problems? Thank you!

Heather in VA, or anyone that has used the upper levels, what do you think?

That in encouraging! Actually, I had a little girl that I was helping with phonics and I was using the method of teaching all of the sounds using the Phonics Made Plain cards. They teach all the sounds at once just like Spalding. The difference is you don't mark the words. I also have the SWR cards and set because I was learning it to see if I should use it instead of what I have. Plus, I had heard so much about it and was feeling insecure about remediating someone else's child in phonics. I ended up using Elizabeth B's online lessons and moved into my McGuffey etc with her. Anyway, my ds had just turned four and was so interested. So, he sat there with us and learned the sounds of a and m and then would run around seeing A's and M's everywhere. Then, he wanted to learn more. Then, he wanted to learn to write his "A". So, I showed him and he did it. So, this child will be able to write the letters as he says them. The funny thing is, he only wants to write the capital letters. He argues with me about whether or not "a" is A also. So, I am going to pull out my Phonics Made Plain cards where he will see both the A and a on the card. I am thinking I should try to have him writing his lower case letters instead of the capital. That is what I believe SWR advocates. When he sees A or a on anything he says, "Hey look there's an a, ay, ah!" So, I guess he isn't confused. My plans are to teach him some more consonants and then we'll be ready for the syllabary. Ruth Beechick says teach a few consonants with the "a" and then show them a few words using those letters and then teach some more vowels and consonants, etc. SWR says teach all the phonograms. I think I will teach all of the a-z and then start the syllabary. What do you think? I've done so much research everything is rolling around in my head. But, I believe that is actually what they did in Webster's time. When they said to teach them the alphabet, I think they meant with the sounds as well. Then, they started the syllabary. As far as the Classic Curriculum Workbooks (CCW) go I believe if you use this method, you will end up skipping the first few unless you have a child wanting to write like my ds. But, I haven't had a chance to sit down and study all of them. BTW, if anyone is wondering, CCW Writing Series 4 actually matches up with Harvey's and works great together. Anyway,

Well, I too have been struggling with the whole high school, CW or WWS then what sequence. I posted what my plan looks like on the sticky for WWS but I have to admit it includes dropping out of CW. However, Heather, do you think a child could finish WWS4 (I know we haven't seen it but after looking at S&S of WWSkill) and then go into Herodotus? Or, would they need Chreia first as the CW website indicates?

Martha, Thank you for your encouragement! I'm thinking that WWS, then R&S will be that "framework" you were talking about. The fact that ALL and WWS is pretty easy for her is building her confidence as well. We'll monitor the writing in R&S with what she is doing with TWTM guidelines, but at least she will have that "safety net". Right now the rest of her coursework looks like this.. 1. Possibly more latin. She has had LC1. I have a copy of LRTEG, an old Wheelock's and an old Jenney latin textbook. We're trying to decide if we want to continue or not. Might do Greek instead but could wait until next year on that. This would mainly be for NT purposes. 2. German 3. Finishing up Apologia Biology. (She's had Physical Science.) 4. Finishing Algebra. (I made her slow down and we did a lot of mastery work on fractions, decimals and percents before I let her go forward. Plus, she wasn't ready for this until just recently. Now, everything is going really well and seems easy to her.) 5. World History via TQ and TWTM 6. Music and Art 7. Ag through 4H, along with leadership and public speaking

Well, I know this sounds funny, but I wasn't going to use it myself. I am trying to be disciplined and use what I have:001_smile: However, I love to research and had seen where others had asked questions about SWR, Websters,etc and workbooks which is how I found HTTS. I thought it looked pretty neat but couldn't tell what workbook to start with if you were beginning with an older child. Thought if I posted this it might help others who are trying to find a way to use Webster's or McGuffey and that want a workbook to go along with what they are doing. I have the Original set with Beechicks guide, ABC and All Their Tricks, and Phonics Made Plain cards. I also have SWR and was trying to decide if I was going to take the plunge with McGuffey with my 4 year old or not. Then, I also have an 11 dd that will use one or the other...or both:D as needed. For myself, I'm leaning towards the McGuffey "set" but will keep my eye on SWR and continue to read it. I also have the Classic Curriculum workbooks, or at least some of them, so I will probably use one from Series 4 for my 11dd who loves wb to review. But, for now, the 4ds will learn his a-z phonograms slowly with the flashcards and doing whatever writing he wants to do. He actually loves to write and wanted me to show him how to make an "A". I did and he can actually write it:tongue_smilie:. So, here we go. He'll be the first one for me to get to teach from the very beginning:001_smile: