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(Biased, I mean.) In my opinion, it is folly to think that they got us into this war because they wanted to free the Iraqi people.

 

Why are we not in Darfur? Tibet?

 

Oh. No oil. No revenue for Halliburton.

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I am against this war and this administration, and it enrages me that just today, when it was pointed out to Cheney that 2/3 of Americans oppose this war, he replied, "So?"

 

Like a petulent twelve year old.

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I'm fully aware that Saddam Hussein ventured into Kuwait in the early 1990's.

But that's a separate conflict. We're talking about this 5-year-old war. Saddam was a jerk, yes. But he didn't have his walkin' shoes on in 2003. We just showed up.

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To answer those that ask what is "it", "It" is helping the Iraqi people create the kind of nation they want.

 

THEY want? From all that's been said for five years, I was under the distinct impression that we're trying to creat the kind of nation that WE want.

 

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, and thanks to your dh (and you, the military wife!) for your (collective) service.

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Actually, he did, but I don't think we would have cared if it had not been Kuwait.

 

Kuwait is not the reason we're there now, with the promise of at least 100 more years if John McCain is elected. :banghead:

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......it takes more than "wisdom and insight." It takes honesty and humility and the ability to recognize when change is necessary, and that's been a problem for this administration as far as this war is concerned, at least IMHO.

 

As to whether we have the "freedom" to have this discussion, that remains to be seen. Upholding the Constitution doesn't seem to be a strong suit, either! :001_smile: Who knows who is watching! :001_smile:

[Dare I purchase an expensive camera on ebay?]

Dh wants to buy a "good" digital camera. I think he's narrowed it down to a Canon Eos Rebel Xti something or other (can you tell it's HIS idea?);) It's about $700.00, total.

 

My friend swears by hers; she bought it on ebay. I'm a bit leery. All I've ever bought on ebay was clothes and AMerican girl stuff! ;-)

 

Anyone ever successfully purchase a big ticket item on ebay?

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I say stay put as long as it takes to finish the job right,

 

Hi Twinmom; welcome!

 

But this is my sincere question: what is "the job?" I don't want to sound ignorant-- I"m not, really. I watch the news programs daily and would hazard to say that I"m quite well-versed on this topic. But no one's ever been able to tell me what, exactly, we're "finishing."

Bringing democracy?

Making the area safe?

 

Those take generations. Should we stay that long?

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Saddam Hussein did not invade neighboring countries. Democracy was never in peril in the area--- there was no democracy in Iraq.

 

This war was started because of a lie, and there are so many in congress and higher who are financially benefitting from the perpetuation, while our troops are without body armor and adequate medical care/therapy after they are injured. It's costing this country trillions of dollars, and leaving a debt that will take generations to recoup. Shameful.

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out of curiosity: what should of been done about 9/11? Or does everyone see that as a separate issue?

 

curiosity killed the cat...I know, I know

 

 

Al Qua'ida did. So why are we not pursuing Osama Bin Laden with the same fervor and troop committment with which we overran Iraq?

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Not snarky, I truly wonder.

 

As long as WHAT takes? What is "IT"? WHAT are we doing there? Stabilizing the region? It will never be stabilized, and our very presence is probably the most destabilizing feature.

 

What are you thinking will be accomplished by staying "as long as it takes" or 100 years as John McCain promises? (whichever comes first?)

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I see I am not alone in the "get out yesterday" part, but I am the first to post a why--

 

We should have never gone there in the first place. We went there under false pretenses (WMD's that didn't exist), Saddam being responsible, etc...

 

We should have never gone. And if the need really was there for us to go, we should not be trying to instill American Values/beliefs into their nation. Our democracy doesn't even work half the time, what makes us think it will work over there?

 

Nope--should never have gone.

 

Democracy cannot be forced. Iraq has never been a democracy, their culture is not based on democratic principles, and to use military might to force another country to become a democracy is ludicrous.

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The whole Iraq issue was predicated on a lie. There were no WMD's in Iraq, and Bush & Co. knew it.

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We had a JP wedding in 1988 with one witness, and sadly I have no pictures. :( I do want to play, however, so here is my Homecoming picture, significant only because I did marry my date. ;)

 

 

I can just SMELL the Love's Baby Soft! :001_smile:

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did a lot to convince mortgagees that they could qualify for much more house than they should have.

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Tammy's assertion that it was somehow "un-American" (my term, not hers) to "have a bad attitude about your country when living here." (her words)

 

I said that to make an accurate comparison, of course. But not to express an opinion.

 

But apparently I was being "highly combative." I'm certain I've never been characterized as such in my life! :tongue_smilie:

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living abroad is a prerequisite for expressing displeasure with one's place of residence.

 

To draw a COMPARISON, perhaps. But to just express discontent? I don't see the connection.

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who arrived in this country from another had a bad attitude about their country; that's part of why they came here.

 

I think it's those of us who are not satisfied with the status quo, who disagree and engage in discourse and work to change things are true patriots. Isn't that what this country was founded on? Not just blind faith in leadership with which the majority disagreed?

 

Wow.....now let's watch my negative rep points come flyin' in! ;)

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If it's the way she feels, she's entitled to that. It's not YOUR attitude, but it's certainly valid.

 

And honestly, the more I read about our country endorsing torture, the less proud of my citizenship I become.

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brought her back as a nine week old pup. Her breeder is Dominique DeWame, and she's from Kennel Lion de la Toison d'Or in Ruisbroek. LOVELY country.....we just adore our Belgian girl, who is, officially:

 

VLA Ch. Yuma Lion de la Toison d'Or, CDX, DD, TT, CGC, TDI :D

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(Swedish girl) with a wee bit of Scottish and Irish on my mom's side. But dad was a first generation American, both of his parents are from Sweden. My Swedish heritage has always been important to me, and I LOVE my first name, Astrid, which reflects my heritage.

 

But I married an Irish/French guy, so dd is a bit more of a mutt, and the first brown-eyed member of my family! The whole family was stunned that she wasn't born with blue eyes! But they're beautiful dark brown and fringed with long French lashes, so no one minds!

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Hang in there and I agree with the previous poster--- I'd see if the can all be tested. I certainly sounds like more than just a stomach bug. :grouphug:

 

Hugs,

Molly's mom

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Awww! He's a cutie! Lovely website; I enjoyed listening to the choir and poking around a bit! Thanks for sending the link!

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.....seems right up our alley! Got any great suggestions?

[Quick, before I place my order: Does Coldwater Creek clothing run big? Small?]

Unfortunately, I couldn't find a coupon code and the suit I wanted wasn't on sale. :banghead: But I hope it looks nice! It's not the one I liked the best; I was afraid the arms would be too long on that one, and since there's lovely piping along the cuff, shortening the sleeves would mean doing it from the shoulder. EEK.

 

Hopefully it will look halfway decent. I've got to do a lot of presenting and talking on a stage in front of 400 people at the banquet, so though I'd love to wear a turtleneck, sweatshirt and jeans, I think I"d better not. Sigh. I hate shopping for clothes and I hate dressing up. What a loser I am! :001_rolleyes: