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:lol: Nice!! Thanks for sharing it with us!
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I think telling an atheist they need to accept Jesus IS insulting. Mmy religion is personal to me and I dont preach to anyone. I simply want the same courtesy. I am not personally offended at all. I just dont think its helpful at all to denigrate either side at all on such a hot button issue as religion. Sure there is a place for deep discussion and debvate about religion,, and anyone truly wanting to have those conversations can start a thread. But i think people pretty much know where they fall on the religious spectrum and if they choose to dropcomments like mind control and organized religion is a crock, fine. But then dont play the "who, me?" card when someone objects.
Lisa
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I'd complain. You paid for priority shipping, you should've received priority shipping. They didn't give you the service you paid extra for.
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Without defending, in any way, the original statement, I wonder if this is really true.
Is there a non-offensive way to tell someone, with *specifics*, that you believe their faith is false and groundless?
Isn't it intrinsically insulting (or insulting feeling at least) to be told that you're putting your faith in fairy tales?
...and what other position can an atheist, for example have? ...but that you and I, in very different ways, are deluded, have bought into a pack of lies.
Is there a *nice* way to say that?
...but how is that any worse than someone telling an atheist that if s/he just saw more clearly the world of faith would be revealed to her... or whatever a proselytizer might say? It's the same thing, really. It is saying that the other person's view of the universe is utterly false.
I had people write to me with hurt feelings when I shared, in a thread that was dealing with some theological specifics, that, for a Jew Xtianity is avodah zara (idol worship) and Islam is not. *Is* there a way to state that fact in a non-hurtful way?
Is there a way for a Xtian to tell me that the sacred Torah G-d gave to my people *proves* that my faith is false? It is what y'all believe... but it certainly isn't a comfortable thing to keep hearing.
Or, and this *did* hurt and offend me, when the libel "Christ killers" is put on my people again. There are those who *believe* that, who believe that your New Testament clearly attributes blame to my people.
...and is there a polite way for me to run through why the claims there make no sense to anyone who understands how Jewish Law works?
When we argue matters of faith, it is almost impossible for some toes not to get stepped on, or some feelings not to be hurt. ...and there are some religious 'truths' that *are* offensive to others not of that faith.
...and there are some 'truths' that an atheist might share which are offensive to those of a theistic faith.
...but if we wish to engage in dialogue, if we wish to free to express our own thoughts and beliefs, there needs to be room for others to do so as well.
I feel that there is *much* less respect here for the expressions of belief that atheists make than for those made by people of faith, any faith. ...and that bothers me deeply.
I think the question might become does it actually contribute to the conversation or is it simply insulting? In the original thread, I didn't think it contributed at all. If it doesn't contribute, then does it need to be said, and, if not, then why say it, if not to be insulting? In which case, it's wrong, coming from anyone, of any faith or lack thereof.
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I'm honestly not sure what the double standard is. People are free to say they disagree with your beliefs, and even to mock and insult them; you, in turn, are free to say that you disagree with their beliefs, and even to mock and insult them. However, neither of you is able, in the cases mentioned, to force the other to actually live in a way contrary to your own values.
Yes, you are expected to be tolerant of people having views different from your own, just as they are tolerant of you. Who is trying to pass laws making it illegal for conservative Christians to marry or adopt children? To force conservative Christians to have abortions? To try to make being a Christian a grounds for being fired from your job? I don't see anybody doing those things, and to me that's what would be a double standard.
Well, my tax dollars do go to things that I find morally objectionable, so, in that regard, it does happen. There was also a case in the UK recently where a foster family was denied taking any more children because of their Christianity. Christians in the US see things like that coming down the pipe for us as well.
But, as I said earlier, it's not really a legislative issue, it's a society issue. In our society, it's perfectly fine to be tolerant of everything... except Christianity. It's completely fine in our society to mock Christianity and no one bats an eye. Mock other belief systems or lifestyle choices, and society has a real problem with that. No belief system should be mocked and ridiculed, period. Including Christianity.
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I have to buy my books, b/c our library is too small. I have 2 in UG this year and next, and we'll be adding a LG next year, as well. I only buy for sure the Primary Resources, and I drool over the alternates (except SOTW, I do buy that for UG). If I can afford it down the road, after I have all of our primary's bought, I'll buy the alternates. My UGs, especially my DD, go through those books like water. She's just a huge reader. I've had to threaten her with death and destruction not to read our next unit when I brought it out to "save the surprise." So, yes, we get through them, easily. I assign them all of the lit/history/Bible assignments, plus add SOTW in for extra history.
Now, we'll see how well we do when we add an LG to the mix, but I imagine they'll still be reading them all.
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If you don't want mastery (we love MUS here!!), I'd vote for Saxon, too. I haven't used SM, though. ;)
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Thanks. I always take my vitamins on a full stomach, preferbaly VERY full (I tend to eat small meals). It didn't help. There were times when I woke up in the middle of the night thinking I was about to yak. :ack2:
I felt like that when I was pregnant with my twins (before I found the Special Two's). I found drinking a protein shake right before bed helped a lot. I kept it up even after I had them, because it just helped me feel so much better in the morning. So you might try having a high protein snack right before bed. Your blood sugar might be really crashing, which can make you feel really nauseous.
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Historically, there was plenty of persecution in the US against certain types of Christians (aka anyone who wasn't mainstream Protestant, especially the Catholics). That's all gone now though. ;)
There's definitely various forms of discrimination against Christians today - no prayer in schools or at graduations comes to mind. True persecution is very rare - the only thing I can think of right now are the handful of photographers/wedding planner types that have gotten into legal trouble because they refused to take homosexual couples on as clients. And even this is worlds away from the persecution experienced in other countries.
So yes, I think the idea of persecuted Christians in the US is, by and large, a product of verses filtered through a context very different from their original one.
I think you hit the nail on the head. Modern day American Christians (especially of a conservative bent) have a hard time distinguishing between discrimination and persecution. There is a difference between the two. We're not being persecuted. I do believe we are being discriminated against.
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Gluten was the first thing I thought of, too, although we don't have any intolerances here like that, so I'm only going off of what I've heard others say. It might be something to look into, though.
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I've heard Rainbow Lights were good. I use NOW's Special Two's. I break it up into two doses, one in the morning, and one in the evening. (My last midwife said that your body can't absorb all of the nutrients in a vitamin at once, anyway, so it was better to break it up like that.) I haven't had any problems with them at all, even when I take them on an empty stomach (which I usually do). I do, however, feel MUCH better and MUCH MUCH more energetic when I'm taking them as opposed to when I don't.
When I'm pregnant, I still take them, but I cut the amount in half. Right now, I'm taking two capsules in the morning and two in the evening. If I'm pregnant, I take one in the morning and one in the evening.
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My 8 yo has been known to throw tantrums like this (especially after a particularly bad diet, and if he's unmedicated). I don't deal with it in public. I wait till we get home and, either we're both much more calm and I can deal more appropriately, or DH is there, and I let him deal, because, well, it's just better that way... I don't have any particular punishments for this, because, honestly, it depends on what we have going on in our lives at the moment. More than likely, mine will lose something VERY precious to him, whether its an upcoming outing or a long standing privilege.
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Are there laws and policies I'm unaware of, which would require conservative Christians to have abortions, marry someone of the same sex, read obscene literature, have sex outside of marriage, et cetera? Or does the "legislating morality" you speak of involve other people being permitted to do things that your religion says are immoral?
I believe she was referring to a moral state that society says we must accept and pretty much embrace, otherwise we are deemed intolerant and hateful. No, no one is forcing me to read obscene literature or any other thing, but, I do have to turn the magazines around in the check out aisle at WalMart before I let my children go through. We (as Christians) are expected to be tolerant of situations in society that we find appalling, however, if we speak up in the least, we get slammed. It's a double standard. Tolerance is accepting of different viewpoints all the way around. If you're tolerant to only what you agree with, then that's not true tolerance. Not sure if that makes much sense, but that's the viewpoint I've seen in society lately. We'll be tolerant of this and this and this and this... but NOT Christianity. :confused:
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I posted these because I could tell another member was offended, and I thought that these verses would make her feel better. My point was more that people dislike Christians/Christian beliefs and feel the need to mock, or make Christians feel like they are slow/uneducated for believing. This did not happen only in the referenced thread, but many others as well. I didn't think people were going to nitpick it. It was supposed to encourage any Christians who felt ridiculed.
I wanted to say, too, that I did appreciate that. I didn't get back until the discussion had already been going for a moment, but I did see your point, Jinnah, and I appreciated you taking the time to write that up.
In this sense (and from what I saw on the thread, but a good portion of it I just skimmed, I'll admit), I think the "persecution" came from the Scriptures quoted. I don't think anyone was comparing American Christians to martyrs, but, rather, Jinnah was explaining how, in the Christian belief system, we'll never be truly understood, because of the sinful nature of the world, and that it was written in Scripture, and, as much as it offends and as sad as it is, we'll always be mocked and ridiculed. THAT was the point of what she posted, not comparing us to Christians who are truly being persecuted in other areas of the world.
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There are ways to express one's dislike for something (like organized religion) without being insulting.
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I chose not to name names -- some of which (from other threads) I'm sure I wouldn't be able to recall in any case -- because it doesn't matter. But no, you didn't. :001_smile:
I know you didn't. :001_smile: I just wanted to put that out there since I started the discussion, I guess. ;)
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I think it is funny that IRL, the Christians I know who cry persecution are also the ones who happily and openly carry on the same behavior toward anyone not of their own belief system. They get to define who is or isn't Christian and who will or won't be saved.
It is only persecution when applied to them. When they are rude, smug, arrogant or belittling, it is ok because it is done in love to save others. They believe they are right, so whatever they say to convince others of that is done in love or for the other's own good.
I don't think disagreeing is persecution. I do think we can disagree respectfully, and most of the time, on here, we do.
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And, for the record, I didn't cry persecution. I said it was rude and uncalled for, and I stand by that, but I never said it was persecution. Persecution of Christians doesn't truly exist in the US today. In many, many other places, yes, absolutely, but I think it's arrogant of us as Christians to cry persecution every time someone disagrees with us, and I think it makes light of the fact that there really are people being tortured and dying tonight just so they can read the Scriptures.
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Yeah, really.
:iagree: And I've certainly never heard mocking of other religions like there was on this thread. Like I said in my PP, it was just unnecessary and insulting.
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Honestly, if he doesn't see the internet of being of any value to you as a homeschooling mom--especially with one of your DC taking an online class--and you've done your best to explain it to him, it sounds to me like he either wasn't listening or is disregarding your needs. If his opinion is that the internet serves no real purpose, then it sounds to me like you aren't disregarding his opinion, but disagreeing with it for very sound reasons.
As mentioned by someone above, homeschooling is your job, or at least one of your jobs. I don't understand the purpose of everything in my husband's lab, but I certainly wouldn't decide that, just because I don't see any value in it, it must be something he could just do away with.
I don't know, like many other this rubs me the wrong way, both because it seems very controlling (I'm an egalitarian, but I've read a lot of complementarian stuff, and everything I've read mentions that while wives are commanded to submit, husbands are NEVER commanded to make their wives submit, to test how submissive they are, or to otherwise make submission a condition of their loving concern for their wife and family) and also seems isolating. Homeschooling can be isolating as it is, and I do think that taking away one of the primary means (if not the primary means) that homeschooling parents and students have to share ideas, to get resources, and to otherwise communicate with each other is just not right, unless it was absolutely necessary.
:iagree: 110% I have been trying to find a good way to say it, but that says it well.
The Excellent Wife by Martha Peace has a section on when your husband tries to use submission as an excuse to sin. I'm not saying AT ALL that turning off the internet is a sin. But, I think forcing a wife into submission to control her, and using Biblical "reasoning" to do so is falling into sin.
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:grouphug: None of mine PT'ed before 3. Not. one. (So far, I have 3 still in diapers.) I've let it go until I'm 100% sure they know what's going on, and what's expected, then I just tell them that they're too big for diapers now, so we won't be buying them. My last one (he's 4 now) didn't buy it, so we started buying them a size smaller than he was. Then, when his pack ran out, we told him that that was the biggest size they had, and they don't make them in his size anymore, because he's too big. They were uncomfortable enough that he didn't argue when he went into big boy underwear that fit much better and were much more comfortable. ;)
There's a blog event starting today about potty training. Heres the link. They're having giveaways and such. I'm hoping to get my twins PT'ed BEFORE they turn three, so I'm joining in. :)
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No. Absolutely not. There's no way in life I could function. I'd be without any sort of support (all of my friends are online, I have no IRL friends), I wouldn't be able to keep up with my family, and our schooling would suffer.
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:svengo: I don't do snakes. But, I'd probably count that for science. ;)
I need some exercise video recommedations
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I love pretty much anything by BeachBody. I have Turbo Jam at the moment, and it's fun.