KSera
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4 minutes ago, HeartString said:
I would guess that would be true of the non-vaccinated people that will choose not to mask now too.
I think that will depend heavily on what part of the country. In places with strict mask mandates that have been strictly followed, I think it will be different. I haven’t seen anyone indoors without a mask since last spring.
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15 hours ago, Syllieann said:
I'm just going to update my previous post because today they announced that there will be no more masks or distancing required of anyone regardless of vaccination status beginning next Saturday. Guess what next Saturday is? It was supposed to be my son's First Communion. Guess who's not going anymore? And now I have to tell all my vaccinated family members not to bother coming because my kid won't be there. I was fighting back tears. I can't believe they are doing this to the children. So many kids went a year without school and with little social contact, we're talking more than 10% of my kid's life. Birthday parties, playdates, and theme parks were off the table, but now that the adults are vaccinated, oh well, f* the kids, and here's twenty trillion in debt too.
I’m so sorry about this! Is there any chance you could talk with them to see if they could keep mitigation measures in place one more week so kids don’t have to miss their first communions? That just isn’t right at all 😢.
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9 minutes ago, AbcdeDooDah said:
Right, but they are forfeiting their immunity or a large part of it. At some point, anti-maskers can’t be blamed for everything.
I don’t understand the point or connection.
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23 minutes ago, AbcdeDooDah said:
It looks like over 5 million people have missed or skipped their second doses, some for the same reason your daughter almost didn’t take it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/25/business/covid-vaccines-second-doses.html
Yes, but that still means over 92% have gone back for their second dose. That’s a pretty darn high rate—higher than for other vaccine series like shingles.
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Yeah, I was going to say Saturday or Sunday for sure. Otherwise, Friday right before or Monday morning are both likely to be fine.
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1 hour ago, AbcdeDooDah said:
I'm seeing 20-30 % or even more of cases are asymptomatic.
And at least that many people are asymptomatic post vaccine. I’d like to see everyone provided with paid time to get vaccinated, whether that needs to come from the employer or the government. No one should have to be risking their health to that degree due to worry that they will be one of the people who needs to take a day off after being vaccinated. (The percentage of people needing more than that is very small, and missing work due to Covid would be more likely than being one of the people with longer vaccine side effects.)
1 hour ago, AbcdeDooDah said:Do you understand that people that cannot miss work did not quarantine in many cases? It could be financially devastating to their families.
That’s all the more reason to make sure they have ways to get vaccinated. Nobody should be having to go to work with Covid, and then they are exposing all their coworkers as well, which is part of why it spread so much in certain industries that lack benefits.
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16 minutes ago, AbcdeDooDah said:
Almost every single post of mine is edited. My typos are many. My eyesight is failing.
Alas, I strongly relate.
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21 minutes ago, AbcdeDooDah said:
Thank you. Supposed to say not.
Ah. That changes the meaning a lot. Thanks @happi duck for pointing that out. I read it as “No, everyone”
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38 minutes ago, Bootsie said:
My statement was a true and acurate statement.
Your statement was true. I have acknowledged that repeatedly. I expect there is likely to be someone out there that gained a little clarification on your post from reading my subsequent post, and that’s the reason I posted it. If no one did 🤷♀️. No harm done. What I posted was accurate as well. I don’t have anything else to discuss about it. I’m going to give you the last word on this, because as I’ve said, I’m not at all invested in this particular argument whatsoever.
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1 hour ago, AbcdeDooDah said:
No everyone who is unvaxxed and maskless can/will spread the virus. Vaccination is not the only route to herd immunity.
Which risks everyone else, as the more spread we have, the more likely a variant will emerge which evades the vaccines, plus the strain on the health care system that effects everyone. So yeah, they can and will do that, but it’s beyond frustrating because that means those people are just going to prolong this pandemic that we now have the means to get under control.
1 hour ago, KeriJ said:But facts are important. Without being factual, you lose credibility. The CDC is reporting factual guidelines.
Facts are important and they could have reported facts at the same time they used the facts to inform a different kind of guideline that wouldn’t have been as risky to those not yet vaccinated (as I keep saying, there are lots of adults still waiting for their second shots, and then there are all the kids). They could have said they since those who are vaccinated can largely remove their masks, they will lift the mask recommendation as soon as a certain vaccine benchmark and/or case number threshold is reached.
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I think it would’ve been helpful if the CDC had given more heads up that this was a change that was coming, rather than just instantly implementing it. Our church just started having an in person service again, and decided to keep the masking requirement in place for now until they figure it out. Seems like it would have gone further to the goal of encouraging people to be vaccinated if they said that starting June 30 or something, that anyone who is fully vaccinated could stop wearing a mask. I think by that point, even 12 to 15-year-olds would have a chance to be all done with their series.
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32 minutes ago, KeriJ said:
I have heard both of those, but it still doesn't make sense to me. If I am vaccinated, then I won't be spreading it to the unvaccinated children. As far as the first point, that is a problem all its own. Those who would be dishonest have likely already been unmasked all along. I know many of them in real life.
I expect this might be differently received in high masking areas vs low masking ones. In places with mandates, people are likely used to everyone being masked. I haven’t seen anyone unmasked indoors in a year. People who would be dishonest about vaccination status have been masking here to this point, because it is required and enforced. I know from local discussions that there are plenty of those who have only been masking because they have to that are going to stop now because no one has any way to know who is eligible to be unmasked due to being vaccinated and who isn’t. That’s my issue with it, combined with….
2 minutes ago, Pawz4me said:I'm as pro-mask and pro-vaccine as anyone, and I'm also having a bit of a problem understanding the extent of the backlash against the CDC guidance.
Sure I get it for immune compromised people (I'm one of those, FWIW) and for people who for whatever sound medical reason can't be vaccinated. For people in that group it would absolutely be better if the mask mandate had been left in place until most areas had much higher percentages of vaccinated people.
And I totally get it about kids.
And those two categories are certainly NOT insignificant.
But still . . I can't fully wrap my head around the extent of the backlash. Perhaps I'm being naive in trusting the studies that are showing how very effective the vaccines are for most people, and how well they're preventing transmission. The arguments against dropping the mask mandate now to me mostly seem pretty circular. I'll almost certainly continue to mask in public, but I can't get too worked up over the mandate being dropped now.
I’m in an area where even people who worked hard to get a vaccine appointment as soon as they were eligible are still not done with the series, much less two weeks past second shot. So to me, it doesn’t meet the “everyone who wants to be vaccinated has been” standard at all. And then there are kids, and at a time when P1 is increasing and kids are being increasingly seriously affected.
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1 hour ago, Bootsie said:
I am not sure why you said the statistics are screwy and don't show what I said, when I went right by the actual numbers provided; When I provide a detailed account you say that it was a strangely chsoen survey. But, you hadn't even looked at the survey itself. But, you had nto even looked at the survey. These are exactly the types of conclusions that it concerns me that people are drawing.
52 minutes ago, Bootsie said:The poll says:
Republicans are less likely to choose to vaccinate than Democrats or Independents.
Most who choose to vaccinate are NOT Republican.
Right. We agree on this (although the statistics shift when a poll divides further into “left leaning independents” and “right leaning independents” rather than lumping them together, making independents the biggest group). I clearly said I hadn’t looked up the survey (it wasn’t linked and as I’ve said, I actually have less than zero interest in encouraging the “Republicans won’t vaccinate” story, because I think it becomes self-fulfilling). I wasn’t drawing any conclusions. I was just commenting based on your bolded statement that 2/3 of those who won’t vaccinate are not Republican. It may be accurate, but it’s an example of the kind of use of statistics that is frequently purposely manipulated to make things seem to the casual reader as they are not. I think most readers would read that and think that that means Republicans are actually not less likely to vaccinate then Democrats or independents. Surely we know at this point that in general, Americans are not great at understanding studies or math or probabilities, and most are not going to notice that Republicans are disproportionately represented among those who will not vaccinate, which means that Republicans as a group are less likely to vaccinate than Democrats or Independents.
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My 15 yo had a bit of sore arm, and that was all. Everyone in front of us in line was also a parent bringing a teen.
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33 minutes ago, Bootsie said:
What makes you conclude this is a strangely chosen sample?
Like I said, I hadn’t looked up the survey itself. Seeing the breakdown, it doesn’t look as unbalanced as only 22% Republican made it sound. A little, but not much. Now I’m curious to see what the current breakdown of US adults by political affiliation is.
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27 minutes ago, Bootsie said:
How does it not show that? There were 1237 people polled. 22% were Republicans. That is 272 people. 45% of thosse said they would not vaccinate. 272 X 45% is 122 people.
Of all of the people who were polled, 27% said they would not vaccinate. 1237 X 27% = 334.
So, there were 334 total who were polled who said they would not vaccinate. 122 of those people were Republicans.
The reported numbers were not for the percentage of those who won't vaccinate that are Republican.
Well again, I’m actually not wanting to belabor this point, but just on the statistics side, for Republicans to make up only 22% of the sample, but 36.5% of those who won’t vaccinate shows they are disproportionately likely to not vaccinate. That was a strangely chosen sample (I haven’t seen anything but what you quoted, so perhaps it’s the case that ~22% of the sample was Democrat also, in which case at least the sample makes a little more sense.)
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33 minutes ago, Bootsie said:
The Quinnipiac poll was Apri 8-12, so more like five weeks ago (not 3). 1237 were polled. Of those 27% said they would not vaccinate (334 people). Of the 1237, 22% were Republican==> 45% of those said the would not vaccinate, so 122 people. So, 212 people were NOT Republican and would not vaccinate.. 63%--almost 2/3 of those who said they would not vaccinate were NOT Republican.
Those statistics are screwy and don’t show what the bolded might imply. I almost don’t want to explain why, because I think it might actually help get more people to vaccinate if people think they’re accurate 😂. It should be obvious when looking at the percentage of those polled who are Republican vs the percentage of those who won’t vaccinate that are Republican.
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1 hour ago, Sdel said:
It technically is a cold....
Technically it’s a Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome.
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6 minutes ago, SKL said:
You can't even give a 2yo a freaking Tylenol. There is a serious lack of rationality here.
Not for anything, but what? Did something change so that you can’t give infants Tylenol anymore? I avoided it for the most part, but they literally sell infant Tylenol for ages 6 months and up. You can call your doctor to get dosing for under 6 months old.
But that’s obviously irrelevant to the rest of the conversation.
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2 hours ago, Not_a_Number said:
Neither can the people who disagree with you. The problem is that they are convinced they don't do much.
I think the interesting question is how to bridge this divide.
I don’t think most people who are convinced masks don’t do much want to bridge the divide. In my experience, they don’t actually want masks to work. I don’t understand why they wouldn’t want them to, but that’s what I’ve been hearing from them.
2 hours ago, Not_a_Number said:I'm not sure I appreciate being called "some of the more fearful." Perhaps a less loaded phrasing would be "some of the more cautious people."
Or perhaps “some of the more considerate” 🤷♀️
1 hour ago, Sdel said:The entirety of my thought process has been this: The likelihood my family’s is not catching this is close to zero. We’ll deal with whatever happens. After that....why should I waste my time worrying about any of it. And so, we haven’t.
That does change things significantly if that was your calculus. What about for other people who were invested in not catching it? Those are the people masks would be for protecting, all the more if you fully expected you would indeed catch it. Or maybe you stayed home all the time so you wouldn’t pass it to anyone else.
1 hour ago, SKL said:Do you think the CDC didn't weigh the risk of young kids being exposed to unmasked sick people before they made their latest announcement? It is pretty clear that the risk to young kids is very low even if some of the maskless people have Covid. From a public health perspective, there's no need to make everyone mask, whether or not they are vaccinated, to protect little kids from this virus. If you feel differently on an individual basis, there are various options available to you.
That’s not what the CDC said, though. They were weighing the risk of kids being exposed to VACCINATED people without masks, not to unvaccinated. Your statement there reinforces what people are concerned about though, that people are going to think it means they are free to expose others even if they aren’t vaccinated. I know you have been vaccinated, and you said you wouldn’t lie about it, which is encouraging to hear, but what you say above is how it seems a lot of people are interpreting it.
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38 minutes ago, Sdel said:
Surgical masks, like the example that is being used, do not....and have historically never been medically rated to claim such. In health care settings, OTHER types of masks are used when staff are needed to protect against viral infections.
Surgical masks do catch droplets, which can contain infectious virus, so it does help, but I agree a standard surgical mask does not do really well with aerosols. It appears to decrease them, but it doesn’t contain them, which is why indoor spaces become less and less safe the more people are in them and the worse the ventilation is. A mask fitter or a well fitted cloth mask over a surgical mask can keep most aerosols from escaping. Or of course a fit tested N95 as the gold standard.
24 minutes ago, Sdel said:That is not what the studies the nursing organizations found in Canada when they were legally fighting against the mandate of having to mask vs get flu shots. Those studies found no conclusive evidence that masks did anything to reduce transmissions of viruses. I believe they were repeated multiple times throughout the court process....and I believe the nurses won.
This has been covered lots of times, but the studies being used for that didn’t test what they said they were testing. They were poorly designed. And there have been a lot of studies since then showing the effectiveness of masks in reducing transmission (and also some pretty interesting older studies that have surfaced that show the same thing).
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1 minute ago, Matryoshka said:
We've had two posters upthread that said in their states (TX and WA), people are getting Moderna in two-week intervals. I can't explain why - it's wrong.
I could see a one off small place maybe, maybe, maybe getting that wrong, but I don’t think this is generally happening. Perhaps someone got confused with the “two weeks after the second shot” being considered fully vaccinated and transposed that in their head to mean the second shot was two weeks after the first.
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38 minutes ago, Anne Elliot said:
We painted our interior white. We used Alabaster by Sherwin Williams and I ❤️ it. The house feels so bright and clean.
I'm picking paint also, and looked this one up, and it looks like a really good white. I'm nervous to go white, because growing up, our walls were always white, and it was so boring and unattractive. But now I find myself really drawn to pictures of rooms with white walls. I know it's trendy to go white again, but I can't decide if I will quickly find it boring and wish we'd added some color, or if the white will feel good for a long time. I do really like the look of it right now. I'm only doing one room, so maybe I'm over thinking it.
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1 hour ago, ktgrok said:
Urgent care doctors are not orthos, not radiologists, and miss fractures ALL THE TIME. Especially with small bones like in the foot.
So much this. Every single break we’ve had in this house has been missed at urgent care or ER. That’s three breaks and a very bad sprain/tendon injury which required surgery (that one was a “muscle strain” according to ER)
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Insurance question... mental health care
in The Chat Board
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They will have in network providers they prefer, but also find out how much they cover if you go out of network. Some plans have good out of network coverage and some don’t. If yours does and you have an easier time finding somewhere out of network you want to use than somewhere in network, you want to know that that is available to you.
good luck with your phone call, and with finding helpful care for your loved one.