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  1. How dare you say something so controversial 😂 I also dislike when people say, “Trust the system!” Instead of answering questions about legitimate concerns. It’s asking someone to have blind faith in a curriculum like it’s a religion (or a cult). I don’t trust systems without seeing what the results of said system look like.
  2. Are you, like me (even though I love and greatly value TWTM) skeptical of the Sayers “stages?” Or maybe CC just takes the first stage too far? I think that memory work is important but I also think that children, especially in upper elementary, are capable of some analaysis and rhetoric type of work too! The CC claim would be that they later build on all this memory work. That if you stick around for the later grades, they bring all that the children memorized back into play for analysis and then rhetoric. There is supposed to be a long investment for a big payoff. Yet I’ve never seen anyone write about this “big payoff” they speak of? Where are all these amazing, super erudite CC graduates? Also, speaking of Sayers, I wonder why there is such a big focus on her essay? She is often treated like she had the ultimate education wisdom; she’s the Maria Montessori of the classical world. But she was a novel writer with some good insights, not a super guru with all the educational and psychological genius in the world. I think basing a whole curriculum off her one essay is a bit short-sighted.
  3. As a note, I have heard that the organization itself is a bit sketchy. Personally, I am not a fan of anyone who tries to make parents feel inadequate for trying to school their children on their own and make them feel like they "need," a group to have true rigor, but I digress. This post is not about their sketchy tax stuff, or the obscene amount of money they charge, but about the education model itself. For those of you familiar with CC, what are your thoughts on their education model? The way they "do" (neo)classical, so to speak? I just thrifted a copy of "The Core" to read to give it a fair look, but from the little I have heard about it, something about the way they teach children in the early years feels a bit off to me. To me, ( who by the way does not have a ton of experience teaching littles yet so I could be totally wrong here) children memorizing tons facts out of context seems like a poor education. But I have no experience with this! Maybe that isn't how it really works. I am intrigued by the popularity of this model of education and am interested in knowing more about how it works, the weaknesses and strengths of it, etc. It is interesting to me how so many programs have taken the Dorothy Sayers essay and run wild with it.
  4. Listening to some of their podcasts drives me nuts. They claim to teach logic and rhetoric to produce some kind of elite speakers and then they themselves can’t even answer a question or stay on topic without talking in a boring circle about nothing for twenty minutes. I’m not a Charlotte Mason purest but at least on podcasts like “A Delectable Education,” the ladies there actually answer questions, give concrete examples and “gasp” can speak coherently! I think I’m thinking of Andrew Kern. Man, that guy likes to hear himself talk. Still waiting to hear from one of these “masters of rhetoric.” Also, if “old education” (what a nonsensical oversimplification) was so great, where are all the paragons of wisdom and virtue it supposedly produced? I value many Classical and neo-classical ideas but that education isn’t God. It certainly never saved anyone’s civilization. (Yes, Rome and Greece, shots fired).
  5. If you didn’t see the replies buried in this thread, it’s Masterbooks.
  6. I can’t speak to what it looked like in the past but yes they still have this! It really is fun to read and I learned about some curricula I had never heard of anywhere else. For some reason I especially enjoy looking at all the handwriting programs.
  7. Nope. Just genuinely love talking about homeschool philosophies and curricula. There are some people out there who do love learning for the sake of learning 😉 Now you’ve got me thinking about what I would name this article though. TOP 10 FORGOTTEN HOMESCHOOL CURRICULA!
  8. I might be off base here, but as I’ve gone diving down threads here, listening to a bit of CIRCE and watching the way they’ve changed over the years, reading comments made by Cindy Rollins and others, I’ve started to pick up on this...uncomfortable vibe in the classical Christian homeschool world. It’s tricky to explain. It’s as if companies that once praised homeschoolers when they marketed primarily to them have turned on them now that they have a new market in the private school world. Now homeschooling is “okay” but private schools should be the “ideal” that we strive for. The worst I’ve seen...that it’s fine for mothers to teach their young children but they just aren’t good enough to teach the older ones. That they are not rigorous or...dare I say, “masculine,” enough, to teach especially to their older sons. Again, it’s just comments made here and there. But it’s definitely a vibe I’ve gotten. Lots of men hosting conferences and selling their curricula to primarily mothers, and now turning around and criticizing those same women as unintelligent or not “good-enough.”
  9. This made me think of Gentle + Classical. I was looking at her preschool materials a long time ago and now I think she has a program for older kids too. Honestly, the beautiful art people make for these curricula reaaaally appeal to me. It’s those Beatrix Potter illustration vibes. They know how to get us.
  10. I think the appeal is that they look really nice and complete. All the graphics are nice and look modern. On a surface level, it makes you look like you are getting a nice “package.” An easy one-shop stop. I hate to admit it, but as someone who leans classical/Charlotte Mason-ish, Memoria Press packages were one of the first to appeal to me for the very same reasons. At least I like the content of those though! Masterbooks seems...shallow to me. I haven’t used them though so I can’t really comment on their content. edit: They are also heavily YEC Christian so that appeals to a certain homeschool demographic
  11. Your comments hit me so hard. I’m afraid of letting my identity get too wrapped up in being a “homeschool mom.” I’m not one yet, but I’m more then planning on it; I’m leaning on it, dreaming on it. I spend my free time looking at curricula and researching educational methods and grappling with my own educational philosophy and hanging out in forums like this one because I am so, so afraid of failing. I was the honor student. The kid in too many AP classes. The girl with the high ACT score. Everyone had “great expectations” for my future. I went to college and got my Masters in education. And then....I became a stay at home mom. At first, it was okay. It was seen as “great” that I was staying home with my newborn. Then the months rolled by. “When are you going back to work?” People ask, even near strangers. I feel more and more sheepish every time I say that I’m staying home with my little one. As he gets older, the judgment seems become more pronounced. It’s mostly in my head, I think. My own insecurities. But still, I feel it. My mom (isn’t it always our own family who cuts us so deep?) is the first one who used the word I most dreaded hearing: waste. “Aren’t you ‘wasting’ your education? Aren’t you ‘wasting’ your degree?” (The silent question: aren’t you wasting your life)? When asked what you dream of doing, it isn’t cool to say “homemaker” or “stay-at-home mom.” But really, that’s all I want. I want to homeschool my son, I really do. I’m incredibly passionate about it. But I can feel my identity leaning on the idea. I feel this pressure for it to be successful, to “prove” that I have the “right” to stay at home. That my education wasn’t a waste. And maybe even that it somehow proves I’m a good mom. None of that is healthy! I know that, and I try not to think that way. But it creeps in all the time.
  12. A trend I'm seeing in this thread is that the programs that require more work from the teacher to put together and teach (such as BFSU) are falling off in favor of more open and go programs. It may be that the demographics of homeschoolers are shifting, as well as the reasons that people are choosing to homeschool. People who are homeschooling because they are passionate about their child's education probably aren't the same people who are putting their children in Time4Learning and walking away.
  13. Yes, I think “Story of the World” is considered non-secular in that group as well and that’s what BYL uses.
  14. I used to see BYL mentioned more in the secular group I’m in but now Torchlight seems to have taken the spotlight for people who want a bookish curriculum. In fact, though it still gets mentioned, I’ve seen mods mention that people aren’t “allowed” to recommend BYL anymore because there are elements in it that are non-secular or something 🙄 How dare people be allowed to use their own brains when selecting a curriculum??
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