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  1. How would you feel if a co op teacher said,

     

    "You just need to shut your trap, mister" to your 11yo son when he was being overly enthusiastic and talking way too much and way too loud during an 8am science class at a Christian co op?

     

    Inappropriate always?

    Just another way to say, "be quiet"?

     

    I had mixed feelings. We don't say "shut up" at all. We say "be quiet" in various shades of annoyance, including yelling! We use virtually no profanity. My friend had been having a bad morning. She is an amazing teacher. She has a very high tolerance for noise (compared to me). This woman is also a pillar of the co op; works nonstop to make it happen. And I totally appreciate her.

     

    My son felt embarrassed and my daughter (and another 11yo boy - he was in my car on the way home) were also in the class and they said the whole class got quiet and was upset/surprised that she said "those words". The second adult in the class was gone to grab a supply for the teacher.

     

    I prayed and felt awful about calling my (new) friend on it, but felt I had to because I don't think those words should ever be said in a co op setting unless they are followed by "I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said that." I think they are a bad example to the kids and nothing we want to model.

     

    I wasn't overly upset because I know this woman's heart; her commitment to the kids and she is a great lady. My son and I talked it over very well and I helped him see that she was stressed, he had disregarded her warnings and she didn't "mean" anything other than "be quiet". I helped him see her perspective and also recognize how his behavior was wrong.

     

    We talked it over, I kept him on the phone and we called her. My son started by apologizing for his talking, not obeying. (I had hoped that would prompt and apology but it did not. She was gracious and forgiving and affirmed her affection for my son, his smarts, etc.) So I had my son go ahead and explain how he felt when she said the "shut...trap" phrase to him. He used words like "I felt it was rude and I felt disrespected."

     

    She was gracious and seemed to understand that it was a bad choice or words in a co op class setting. But she didn't offer that perspective until we talked a little more. But I've heard her talk like that before in an adult relating-a-story context - so I am wondering if she thinks saying those words to a kid in co op is no big deal?

     

    I was very proud of my 11yo son. He was scared to call but our pre-talk and prayer together and my insistence that (as much as possible, I would help him) he needed to handle it since it happened to him and he was the one upset and I supported him and agreed with him. (When I started to suggest that he call her with me on the phone too, I was kind of feeling him out to see if he could handle it. If he had been totally unable (or completely reluctant - he was not), I would have stepped in.) He did very well.

     

    What do you think? Like me, totally inappropriate?

    Or is it, "just another way to say 'be quiet'?

     

    Lisaj mom to 5

     

    I think it should have ended with your son's apology.

  2. The saddest thing about Pat Robertson is that he doesn't seem to have anyone in his life who truly loves him.

     

    If they did love him, they would cancel his TV and radio contracts, obtain P.O.A. if necessary and find a good doctor for him, and take a few other measures to get him entirely out of the public eye.

     

    He's obviously gone 'round the bend. At the least, he has lost his filter. This isn't the first time he has been totally outrageous in recent years. Why aren't they protecting him from himself? Why are they letting these ridiculous episodes become his legacy, when he'd enjoyed decades of respect in his community?

     

    Those are the repercussions for surrounding yourself with yes men.

  3. Again. Who cares. Why?

     

    I'd rather my neighbors park in their grass than surround my house with the cars of visitors. I'd like for my company to be able to park around my home. And I would tell my company to park in my grass before I'd tell them to block the parking in front of the neighbors homes.

     

    I just really could not care less about manicured lawns or what my neighbors do on their own property. The notion that others do care enough to go looking for violations boggles my mind. I sorta feel bad for their boring lives.

     

    Generally I share your attitude. However, the hard truth is that when it comes time to sell, the next door neighbor's eyesore does indeed deflate the value of your property since not everyone holds a live and let live attitude. We jokingly refer to our next door neighbor as WeedMan because of his perpetually overgrown lawn which the city occasionally calls him on. I plan to be here probably rest of my life, but I do hope that he sells before I do.

  4. It is crazy. We have been house shopping in the Phoenix metro area. So many of the HOAs do not allow cars to be parked in the drive-way of the home. ALL cars must be in the garage, no on-street parking either, no cars in the driveways. I guess guests just park outside the subdivisions gates and walk-in? Crazy. :confused:

     

    A rebellious resident in an adjacent town painted a car on his garage door.

  5. Seriously? A new ordinace passed this last week. If I so choose, I cannot park my car on my lawn without running the risk of "civil infraction"? I think a few to many people are loosing touch with reality when they are going to tell me where I can park my car on my property for any reason or any length of time, right of ways I can understand, but not my own yard.:rant:

     

    I was under impression, maybe mistakenly, that the type of municipal ordinance you cite was common in many cities.

  6. Wow, there are so many replies that I don't know where to start. I will add that the teacher/friend pulled me aside in the sanctuary and told me her version of the story (and she did drop the f word in the sanctuary). She said she was telling me this so dd wouldn't get things mixed up about what really happened? Okay fine, dd and her story match up pretty well. I'm not upset that she corrected dd, if my children are offensive by all means correct them and let me know so that we can work on it. I just abhore they way she did it. It's the use of the f word that upsets me. We don't use it. I know my kids have heard the word, we have family members that use it as nouns, verbs, adverbs and sometimes pronouns ;)

    We don't live in a bubble, but I dont think it's too much to ask that her teacher refrain from using curse words. I

    Anyway, my dh and I are going to talk with her. Hopefully dd will know better to say it in front of folks and the teacher/friend will not say curse words at/to/infront of my children.

    I do wonder though if this were a public school teacher what the reaction would be. My sister is a public school teacher and she told me that she could be fired by saying such a thing to a student. Maybe it's just her district :shrug:

    I did enjoy reading everyone's perspective and had to chuckle at some and scratch my head at others. ;)

     

    Maybe it is my self-diagnosed Asperger's at work, but how can you convey to someone the prevailing cultural interpretation of word most likely to follow "what the ... " without actually saying the word? Write it on a piece of paper? A child will not neccesarily know what the phrase "the f word" means.

  7. We had our first day of co-op yesterday and during break a mom takes the kids outside for some leg stretching. During the course of their play my dd (11) uses the phrase "What the?" in our household it is short "what in the world?" I see now after yesterdays incident that it could be misconstrued for something vulgar. I will be stopping my children from saying it. Anyhow, the teacher who is also my friend took dd aside and asked her if she knew what that meant. Dd does not like confrontation and immediately felt threatened by this woman so she clammed up. The teacher tells her "It means, what the f---, so don't use it around me" My dd of course was embarrassed and horrified that an adult used that kind of language around her. She had no idea that it could mean that.

    What would you say to this woman or would you just let it slide?

    Not a good start for our first day of co-op.

     

    Definitely let it slide.

  8. No. She's never, ever a help. She demands to be waited on at all times, and throws fits if she's not the centre of attention.

     

    Not to mention that she's in her early 80s, and frail. We can't let her go up and down the stairs on her own. She constantly nags and complains that the kids are too loud, too busy, the house isn't neat enough, etc.

     

    Wolf's already said that he'll have his hands full enough with the kids and I, he can't hack having to take care of her too.

     

    She competes with the kids for Wolf and my attention. I can't imagine how much worse she'd be with a newborn around.

     

    Demanding and throwing fits? She will be a good practice target for the terrible twos or for tough love.

     

     

    I have a close relative S whose diagnosed mental illness results in some of the similar behaviors you describe in your mother in law. People who suffer from S's disorder understandably tend to lead lives of social isolation and have difficulty making and keeping friends because of their outrageous behavior. After years of internal conflict, I mostly stopped responding on any emotional level to S's catty remarks, attempts to manipulate, insult, induce guilt, garner attention any way possible and create strife. Instead I recognized S for what S was: an adult sized toddler devoid of rational thinking and problem solving skills. S truly is incapable of changing so I had to alter my response to S. Eventually I realized - much later than rest of my family did - that I was feeding the beast by complaining about S to those close to me.

     

    She demands to be waited on? Ignore her or neutrally refuse her requests. Wants to be center of attenion? Ignore her or respond only briefly and in a neutral manner. Refuse to be drawn into the drama she attempts to create. She wants to complain endlessly? Ask her what single positive thing she had done or can do to improve her situation?

     

    She nags about noise? Great time to tell her that your household routine works well for your family so it may be time for her to find a place where she is more comfortable.

     

    House isn't neat enough? Put her to work cleaning or sweetly say that you will miss her but you understand if she has to stay somewhere more comfortable.

     

    IOW, keep placing the responsibility for her satisfaction and contentment upon her and her alone.

  9. Try the BRAT diet: bananas, rice, applesauce, toast. He can easily pack BRAT lunch for work. Separate solids from liquids by two hours or more. Also have him pack a change of clothes, 2 extra pairs of underwear, and baby cleaning cloths for work. A large plastic cup lined with absorbent paper towels and a little chlorine bleach is handy for the hypersalivating that sometimes precedes throwing up. Ideally it will have a fitted lid.

     

    People really do go to work with fever, chills, headache, cramps, vomiting and diahhrea just to keep their jobs that will enable them to take care of their family. Employers may claim that they want the sick people to stay home, but that usually is not the way it plays out in the real world. The employer only remembers that you were not available when needed and, right or wrong, formulate the perception that you are not a reliable employee.

     

    Around here it is not unheard of for employers to have new employee sign agreement that they understand they will be terminated if there is one absence in first month regardless of reason. Statistics bear out the reasoning behind such a seemingly harsh policy.

  10. I think this is probably Christianity 101 but I wasn't raised in a church of any kind and my bible study has been sketchy.

     

    I just watched the pilot video and it raised a question that I've always had and never understood.

     

    How did Christ dying on the cross SAVE a person? Or me, specifically? I don't understand the nature of the sacrifice... Jesus giving eternal life, giving His life for us... I just do not get it. He gave His life for us.. how?

     

    Sorry I hope I don't offend with my ignorance and I'm aware that I could ask the question in a church... but right now tonight I'm asking here.

     

    For me, the answers I received in reading holy text and apologetics only served to further cement my inability to accept the seemingly illogical paradigm of substitutionary atonement.

  11. This is why I don't care if dd18 ever leaves. She is a joy to me. She cooks, grocery shops, and transports her brother places; all without me ever asking her to do it. She does whatever she can to make my life easier. She will even ask sometimes what she can do to be of service to dh and me. I still do things for her, but they are mostly at my will/not because she demands it.

     

    Same here. My life is much easier now that the children are young adults. It is nice to come home to a covered plate of homemade dinner set aside for me after a late night at work. It has been quite awhile since I've grocery shopped, cleaned cat boxes, or done certain other chores.

  12. That is unsettling, and the feelings will be with you for a while. I am sorry your life has been touched by such depravity.

     

    I do not want to hurt you when you are down, or to patronize you. But I do think it's vital that people know that what you describe is a *common* profile of an intelligent pedophile. They aren't usually on Post Office wanted boards, but are more likely to be on the School Board.

     

    You might want to consider, sometime after some processing of this, reading "Protecting the Gift" by Gavin de Becker. He delineates the behavior and thinking of predators in such a way as to educate parents about how to identify risky people and situations.

     

    :iagree::iagree:

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