MisH Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Just finished (finally) administering the Barton reading screening to my boys. DS1, who has diagnosed Severe-Profound dyslexia did quite well (a good fit for using the Barton system). BUT......Holy Moly..... DS2, who I suspect has some level of "dys", COMPLETELY failed - ALL Tasks :( Task A - counting words - he tried to count either sounds or syllables (even after re-explaining) insead of words. Then, Task B - clapping syllables - he could some of the time clap the syllables (but again, sometimes did sounds, instead of syllables), but could NOT correctly state the number (and number was ALL over the place (which, btw, is why I have been suspecting Dyscalculia)). And, finally, on Task C: Compare 3 Sounds - he could correctly repeat the sounds AND know if they were different or same....BUT REALLY had trouble visualizing / translating that onto sequencing the colored squares. So, now, I am pretty sure we will have to start at some VERY VERY basics for DS2 (as well as begin the formal testing procedures) like LiPS (are there any other basic programs that work well). He knows his letters AND can associate the correct sounds to letters, but somehow when doing a "more complex task" (like assigning the sound to a color and then putting it into a sequence) he really really struggles. And, for what it's worth, he actually said (during the beginning of task C) "Right when you say it, I forget it" - which tells me his working memory is a BIG BIG issue :( Is it even going to be possible for me to do Barton (reading) and RightStart (math) with DS1, LiPS ("reading") and Ronit Bird (math) with DS2??? I know it would be lots of individual instruction for each of them.....But, cost is the other factor :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 If you start with LIPS for both, RB for both, it will spread out your expenses a bit. RB and RS are very similar conceptually. RB just spends more time. So you go through RB materials at your older's pace, and you'll be doing essentially the same stuff. Actually, shh, I like RB better. :) Yup, sounds like you've got some working memory going on. Any chance of getting a tutor to help spread some of this load? A mortal can do it, but there are organizations like Scottish Rite that offer tutoring as well. You might just see if there's anything available. At least anything you buy will get used twice. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merry gardens Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I suggest you call Susan Barton to discuss your child's screening results. If the child didn't understand the instructions, perhaps the test can be re-administered. I like LiPS, but if your child is distinguishing sounds and remembering them but simply not comprehending about pulling down tiles, LiPS might not be what's needed. Plus I seem to recall that when the trouble is with understanding syllables vs. words, she recommended a different program from LiPs. It might not be as bad as you think. (((hugs))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisH Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 I suggest you call Susan Barton to discuss your child's screening results. I have emailed her - she is out of office til sometime around second week of August. I would love to call her.....but, to complicate things a bit more, we are in the process of moving back to the States (our home) after living this last year outside of Montreal, Canada (for hubby's work). I don't have an easy way to call (I talked to family via skype or facetime) :) OhElizabeth: "Any chance of getting a tutor to help spread some of this load?" Well, there is a great center in our city, but it is pretty expensive AND part of the reason for ME doing homeschooling is for ME to be their teacher.....but, yes....*I* am only one person :laugh: If it comes down to it, we will make it happen and just find the $$ if a tutor is absolutely necessary! I may just do Ronit Bird for both (to save $ AND my sanity ;) but still get Barton for DS1 and then figure out Where the HECK to start with DS2 :) For those who've used it..... Would the RightStart "Math Set" (all the "extras") be worth having/getting and would it work / be useful to use with Ronit Bird? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Well did you do the placement test for RightStart? Do that and see what you get. If he places into C, some people will use Transitions (the normal route) and some people will repeat level B. So first do the placement test and see what it's suggesting. I would not recommend starting with tons of stuff, simply because it's so easy to get another order. Are you shipping this to Canada or the US? Will you be moved before you buy? I guess if you're shipping to Canada, it's no wonder you're asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisH Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 Yes, OhElizabeth - did RightStart placement test for DS1 - suggested Level B - not sure how that would correlate to Ronit Bird or where to start on it.... but at $10ish / level(if I am looking at things right!?!?!) for RB, I could easily order 1 and start it with DS1 and 2, then order then next one when DS1 finishes the first, but stay at level 1 for DS2. :) Shipping would be to US as we leave in a week to start our drive back. Hoping to get home around Aug 10. Then get house cleaned up, put back together, whatever else. Then start school stuff about the last week of August or first week of September. BUT, to start then, *I* need to have the stuff to look over and plan (at least A LITTLE bit :) before that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiana Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Yes, OhElizabeth - did RightStart placement test for DS1 - suggested Level B - not sure how that would correlate to Ronit Bird or where to start on it.... but at $10ish / level(if I am looking at things right!?!?!) for RB, I could easily order 1 and start it with DS1 and 2, then order then next one when DS1 finishes the first, but stay at level 1 for DS2. I think this sounds like a good idea to save your sanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathermomster Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 MisH, Ronit Bird materials address subitizing and activities that build and strengthen numbers sense. To verify that you would need to purchase RB books, hold up a domino with dots 1, 2, 3, or 4. Your boys should be able to tell you the correct number of dots instantly and without counting. If they cannot do this step, then you will need to work with RB material first, and the activities should be short. Also, I expect that your training as a SLP is ideal for LIPs with your younger child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Although RB covers subitizing, that's not the *only* thing it does. In the Dot Patterns e-book, you're ostensibly spending the entire book learning the numbers 1-9, which doesn't sound like much. However functionally they cover the same partitioning and basic math facts as RS A, just without doing it in written form. I think the RB C-Rods ebook will turn out to be roughly equivalent to RS B in that sense. Obviously RS covers a lot more topics, but still it's very striking to me how much we've covered in this little but mighty RB Dot Patterns ebook! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisH Posted July 30, 2014 Author Share Posted July 30, 2014 Heathermomster and OhElizabeth - Thank you, again, for your input!!! In response to email, Ms. Barton did recommend starting DS1 with the Barton System. To determine the level he will need, I need to give him her Book 1 post-test (if he passes, do the Book 2 post-test and so on). She provided VERY helpful email responses!!! Regarding DS2 - she did recommend using the LiPS program (actually commenting that "many SLP's receive training using it"......*I* however, did NOT receive any specific training for it :( So, I am now in the process of emailing some SLP friends in our home area to see if anyone is trained and would be willing to either tutor my son OR give me a bit of training to allow me to do the teaching myself! Still......it's ALOT of $$$ :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merry gardens Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Since you're already an SLP, if you can't find any friends willing to train you and lend you their LiPS materials, I suggest you just get the manual. I found it relatively cheap on ebay or Amazon. I did buy the training cd's for vowels from Gander, plus a few other supplies like the lip pictures. Since you plan to use Barton, you won't need materials for the entire program. You can even make some of the materials from the manual. They updated the program and manual recently, but I used the older version successfully with my son who didn't pass the Barton screen--and I'm not even an slp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Yeah, I wouldn't freak out over LIPS. You're going to recognize things and it will be fine. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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