Hunter Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 (edited) I had noticed in vintage textbooks that there was a lot of overlap in vocabulary instruction in science and composition books and work for primary students called "object lessons". I'm seeing a similarity in the organization of Roget's Thesaurus. Wiki says all this is based on work by Leibniz and Aristotle. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roget%27s_Thesaurus Why have we dropped all this? Was there any benefit to dropping all this, or is it just like handwriting and Latin and everything else that is often still valued but got squeezed out? Edited February 5, 2017 by Hunter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted February 5, 2017 Author Share Posted February 5, 2017 (edited) Wiki Outline of Roget's https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Outline_of_Roget%27s_Thesaurus These are the 6 Classes. When I click on the page, the classes are expanded, but if I click on each of them, I can hide the contents of each class and view them all at once. Class I. Words Expressing Abstract Relations Class II. Words Relating to Space Class III. Words Relating to Matter Class IV. Words Relating to the Intellectual Faculties Class V. Words Relating to the Voluntary Powers Class VI. Words Relating to the Sentient and Moral Powers Edited February 5, 2017 by Hunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted February 5, 2017 Author Share Posted February 5, 2017 The big red book for the Principle Approach requires looking up all vocabulary in the Webster's Dictionary. It doesn't also require Roget's does it? Wouldn't that make sense to do so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 Okay, I am beyond fascinated now. My 5th edition has 15 classes instead of 6. The 5th edition starts with the class of Human Body and the first entry is Birth. I like the old order of the first entry being Existence. It reminds me of the Westminster Catechism: What is the chief end of man? Why are we here? What does it mean to exist? Those are good places to start. Birth doesn't have the same opening bang as Existence. Here is a free older edition at archive.org but I'm not sure if this is the same as the wiki original. https://archive.org/details/Rogets-Thesaurus Is there an original in print? Or at least one closer to the original? As I looked at the entries, I'm thinking I would really like to know the definition of every entry, even if I never learn all the subentries, never mind the information under each subentry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) Okay, it looks like I want a reprint of the 1911 edition. There are 6 Classes, with Sections and then Titles under each class. Altogether there are 1000 Titles. Those 1000 titles are what I want to make into a vocabulary list to study. http://michel.sent.com/contents.html Edited February 6, 2017 by Hunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 Number 11 consanguinity. Isn't that a cool sounding word that you must know the meaning of if you don't already? Am I boring you all yet, or is this just such a crazy thing to be fascinated with that you don't know how to respond? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FO4UR Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 You have a talent for finding gems in the rubble, Hunter. I never ever would have thought a thesaurus more than a synonym finder. A person could draw quite a lot from that thesaurus though. I love the simplicity of a single source for a free and deep lesson. I am thinking summer school. My kids would buy "just one word" per day. Ha! Hmmmm... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 This is very cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 The organizational structure fascinates me. I'm fascinated with how this thesaurus fits in with vintage textbooks for object lessons, oral composition, and science lessons. It appears that familiarity with this book was a given. The 1000 titles fascinate me. Many modern highly-schooled people don't know the meaning of some these titles. It is humbling to think these words must have been more commonly known. Maybe sometimes learned only through use of the thesaurus. I want to know these words. Four, it does seem doable to use this for vocabulary lessons, doesn't it? This book needs to be reprinted. The current edition is not this book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mom2bee Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Okay, I'll admit that I'm lost. I've been hoping someone else would chime in and I'd glean something from context clues without having to cop to being SUPER ignorant but...no such luck. :blushing: So, I'm pretty much out of the Vintage Curricular loop. Can you please explain more about "object lessons"? Or rather, can you tell me some vintage primary series that included object lessons? I don't get this thesaurus though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) Primary Object Lessons https://archive.org/details/primaryobjectles00calk According to wiki, the organization of the thesaurus topics is based on works by Leibitz and Aristotle. The organization of the thesaurus is familiar to me. Am I right to assume that many older books are based on Leibitz and Aristotle? I really didn't think too much about where it started. In the 1700s and 1800s in London and France some scope and sequences similar to our common core were developed and text books were often based on them. Maybe those scope and sequences were not as new as I thought. Edited February 7, 2017 by Hunter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) Science Object Lessons following the scheme issued by the London School Board https://books.google.com/books?id=VKZJAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=science+object+lessons&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-y_DZuP7RAhXE7SYKHYSdB3YQ6AEILDAE#v=onepage&q=science%20object%20lessons&f=false The teaching of precise vocabulary was considered important. Edited February 7, 2017 by Hunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FO4UR Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Four, it does seem doable to use this for vocabulary lessons, doesn't it? This book needs to be reprinted. The current edition is not this book. Yes, it seems doable to pull out quite a rich LA and content lesson with just the thesaurus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 This 1915 grade 1-8 scope and sequence is from later than the period when labeling and categorizing were at their prime, but it is very very interesting. The link takes you straight to the oral composition section. https://books.google.com/books?id=X5JJAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA87&dq=oral+composition+primary&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3qIr00P7RAhUG2SYKHWk0Bjw4ChDoAQgoMAM#v=onepage&q=oral%20composition%20primary&f=false Vintage books is such an awesome hobby. Whenever I am lucky enough to have some wifi, it is free after that, and whenever I find something awesome, I can share it with anyone and everyone I want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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