mommaduck Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 http://www.christianforums.com/t7523940/ There is a discussion going on at Christian Forums. It's interesting and I'm in the middle of reading. Not through it yet, but thought maybe others would be interested as well...might learn something from both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretchen in NJ Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 Interesting on so many levels. It is nice to see the list of differences, but it would be nice to look toward what we have in common. Why would the RCC have to change? Couldn't the RCC and the EO meet somewhere in the middle? My first question would be about the "Use of Unleavened Bread." Why doesn't the EO use unleavened? Wouldn't Jesus have used unleavened bread at the Last Supper after all it was during passover? Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted December 31, 2010 Author Share Posted December 31, 2010 Interesting on so many levels. It is nice to see the list of differences, but it would be nice to look toward what we have in common. Why would the RCC have to change? Couldn't the RCC and the EO meet somewhere in the middle? My first question would be about the "Use of Unleavened Bread." Why doesn't the EO use unleavened? Wouldn't Jesus have used unleavened bread at the Last Supper after all it was during passover? Right? We used leavened bread because Jews and Gentiles are now together in the Church...during the feast of Pentacost, the Priest would wave a loaf of leavened and a loaf of unleavened bread. On the first, he is pointing out things that the RC changed during and after the Schism. It would make sense that the request would be that things would go back to the way they were ;) (yes, that would be EO argument, and I know that the RC would have their reasons why not...so, I'm finding it educational to hear from both sides. I'm not in the debate, just reading...so please don't take any of this personally from me as an offense). You can look at peoples symbols to see when an EO is posting and when an RC is posting. There are some EO that aren't in full agreement with the OP though, so it will be an interesting thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretchen in NJ Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 We used leavened bread because Jews and Gentiles are now together in the Church...during the feast of Pentacost, the Priest would wave a loaf of leavened and a loaf of unleavened bread. On the first, he is pointing out things that the RC changed during and after the Schism. It would make sense that the request would be that things would go back to the way they were ;) (yes, that would be EO argument, and I know that the RC would have their reasons why not...so, I'm finding it educational to hear from both sides. I'm not in the debate, just reading...so please don't take any of this personally from me as an offense). You can look at peoples symbols to see when an EO is posting and when an RC is posting. There are some EO that aren't in full agreement with the OP though, so it will be an interesting thread. Oh, I don't take offense at all. I hope you didn't take offense to mine as well. I was just continuing in the same matter as the other thread. Honestly, I didn't read past the first post. I am not sure I want to give up more time to anothe thread.;) KWIM? The other one is becoming a part time job.:lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted December 31, 2010 Author Share Posted December 31, 2010 Oh, I don't take offense at all. I hope you didn't take offense to mine as well. I was just continuing in the same matter as the other thread. Honestly, I didn't read past the first post. I am not sure I want to give up more time to anothe thread.;) KWIM? The other one is becoming a part time job.:lol: No, I wasn't offended :) I just didn't want to digress to debate here, kwim? I don't have the energy LOL! And yes, I totally know what you mean about another thread. I'm only going to be able to read a few posts at a time over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrothead Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 I tried reading it. I got to the third post in the thread and had to stop. Otherwise I'd spend the day asking you and/or Milovany to explain. ETA: Okay, I read a bit further on the first page. It seems like this guy is trying to pick a fight rather than discuss how the two churches could come together as one again. Every post after his OP has been to defend the EO way and tell why RC is doing it wrong not find a compromise. I'm going to have to say away from it. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretchen in NJ Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 I tried reading it. I got to the third post in the thread and had to stop. Otherwise I'd spend the day asking you and/or Milovany to explain. ETA: Okay, I read a bit further on the first page. It seems like this guy is trying to pick a fight rather than discuss how the two churches could come together as one again. Every post after his OP has been to defend the EO way and tell why RC is doing it wrong not find a compromise. I'm going to have to say away from it. Sorry. :iagree:with you with reguards to the OP posts, but others are posting with hearts towards compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted December 31, 2010 Author Share Posted December 31, 2010 :iagree:with you with reguards to the OP posts, but others are posting with hearts towards compromise. Exactly. There are plenty, EO/RC/and Anglican, I believe, that are disagreeing with parts of the OP's list. He went a bit overboard possibly (again, I'm not all in the know on every argument) just for the point of discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrothead Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 :iagree:with you with reguards to the OP posts, but others are posting with hearts towards compromise. Yeah, but I know me. His "opinion" already has my Irish up. I'd join that board just to blast the guy, then I'd get permanently banned and will have wasted valuable time and energy that I could have done something else with. Something that help me grow in some way. Off to read my Lectio Divina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted December 31, 2010 Author Share Posted December 31, 2010 Yeah, but I know me. His "opinion" already has my Irish up. I'd join that board just to blast the guy, then I'd get permanently banned and will have wasted valuable time and energy that I could have done something else with. Something that help me grow in some way. Off to read my Lectio Divina. :grouphug: I'm glad I'm not the only one that gets their Irish up ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretchen in NJ Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 Yeah, but I know me. His "opinion" already has my Irish up. I'd join that board just to blast the guy, then I'd get permanently banned and will have wasted valuable time and energy that I could have done something else with. Something that help me grow in some way. Off to read my Lectio Divina. :lol::lol::lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrothead Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 :grouphug: I'm glad I'm not the only one that gets their Irish up ;) Now, if you, Milovany, asta and I ever want to sit down and over tea work the whole thing out for the men and bring the church back together, I'll be up for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamamaloca Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 IMy first question would be about the "Use of Unleavened Bread." Why doesn't the EO use unleavened? Wouldn't Jesus have used unleavened bread at the Last Supper after all it was during passover? Right? To add to this, why would this small detail be an issue? Some Catholic rites use leavened bread, it isn't an issue of faith or doctrine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted December 31, 2010 Author Share Posted December 31, 2010 Now, if you, Milovany, asta and I ever want to sit down and over tea work the whole thing out for the men and bring the church back together, I'll be up for that. Why does this remind me of something Ber would say??? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamamaloca Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 http://www.christianforums.com/t7523940/ There is a discussion going on at Christian Forums. It's interesting and I'm in the middle of reading. Not through it yet, but thought maybe others would be interested as well...might learn something from both sides. I think a lot of his points are small and nitpicky, and are due to issues of terminology and emphasis rather than true differences, such as his "sacrament/mysteries" point, and possibly also the "Assumption/Dormition" point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrothead Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 Why does this remind me of something Ber would say??? :lol: Oh, I do miss her. I think of her periodically, and pray the she and hers are well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted December 31, 2010 Author Share Posted December 31, 2010 To add to this, why would this small detail be an issue? Some Catholic rites use leavened bread, it isn't an issue of faith or doctrine. That fact is argued against the OP by another EO in the thread. Some say it's cultural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamamaloca Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 That fact is argued against the OP by another EO in the thread. Some say it's cultural. I see that, I'm reading through the thread. To share where I'm coming from, I'm a Catholic who more and more thinks like an Orthodox, and who has pondered converting at times. I tend to think that both sides have some valid points. I think there can be a legitimate diversity of theological understanding, that together form a whole, like the different ways of seeing the elephant in the parable. : ) On the other hand, the main issue is authority, particularly the authority of the papacy. I can't see how the Orthodox can accept the relatively recent innovations of universal jurisdiction or papal infallibility. Catholics are good at changing things while pretending they haven't changed at all, though, so maybe there's still hope there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted December 31, 2010 Author Share Posted December 31, 2010 Oh, I do miss her. I think of her periodically, and pray the she and hers are well. They are ;) I keep in contact with her on FB and IM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretchen in NJ Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 I finished the thread. It was a nice read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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