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Not just in your post but in all of this, it reminded me of a conclusion that I came to long ago, that Logic is in the mind of the beholder, just as beauty is.
The reality is our point of reference. Bill is having problems with Christian logic, because Christian logic comes from the premise that God is in the center of all things and He is our reference point for how we view logic.
Acts 17:28 - For in Him we live and move and have our being.
Aristotle's reference was himself, or man's view.
What Bill wants is man's view/perspective of reason and logic. Bill may still run into the problem that the author's conclusions may not line up with his own, however. He could, in theory, come up with a statement that Bill doesn't nec agree with.
Of course, there are rules to logic that folks have decided upon down through the ages and everyone technically supports. Still, each person who writes a lesson plan on logic is going to give his flavor on the subject.
I do think Logic is an important subject. It affects our everyday life from advertising to personal relationships to writing. I think reading a book like Kreeft will really explain it better than I, but IMHO to be a more educated consumer and citizen, logic is required. Some of us can gain many logical skills by osmosis I suppose. Some of it is common sense. But after teaching Trad Log I & II and reading Kreeft I am thoroughly convinced that logic should be taught comprehensively. I have looked at the pre-logic stuff and many of it is fun and games-which I think is fine. It is not really what I am talking about. I am talking about analytical, critical thinking that takes place once students reach the rhetoric stage.Just my humble opinion,
Holly
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I was told one time when I was almost 30 (in regards to taking care of my newborn baby) that l just needed to use my common sense. I cried because I didn't even know what the person was talking about.
I, too, believe God gives us wisdom - and for me, it's a lot easier to see that wisdom in the context of order. I guess I see logic and the other skills as foundations from which one can gain common sense and wisdom.
I remember the newborn months. It's called exhaustion. :lol: When the girl was three months old I was soooo tired I didn't know what planet I was on, let alone could figure out what common sense was. I hadn't slept in 6 months for Pete's sake.
Later,
Kim
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That's what I thought. I asked him and he just rolled his eyes and said, "no". But I asked specifically about logic classes. I'm sure they were taught to present winning arguments. They were judged by a panel and I'm sure the panel was looking for certain logical techniques, etc.
You have a point about the debates. It would be interesting to look for holes, but I do that, anyway. I just might not have a technical term for them... :)
:)
Kim
Fallacies are one portion of one branch on the logic tree so to speak. If your husband was on a debate team they must to have covered logic is some sense if the team was given any direction at all, even if they didn't call it logic. When you debate you need to be on the lookout for fallacies committed, and hopefully, not want to commit them yourself.My older two sons have used The Art of Argument. When we watch the news or listen to Presidential candidate speeches my guys are able to quickly spot and point out the many fallacies committed on a daily basis, on both sides lest anyone get perturbed. I don't think this is something that comes naturally to everyone and even if it does come as common sense to some, I think naming the bad argument is a good thing, basically it's the same as giving a reason why it's a bad argument.
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(Does this mean I"m lacking in common sense and wisdom? probably, LOL!)
So, when we get to logic, I'm hoping it WILL be worthwhile. I'm hoping it will be an aid to faith, to apologetics, and to discernment. Am I off-base?
Nope on both counts :D
Best wishes. I wanted to study it too, for fun (at least the formal logic) but i'm wondering if it's kinda dry for a high schooler...although, I hear some of the kids like learning the technical side of logic.
Kim
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I don't think any actually "teach" you to remove the preps before diagraming. I'm saying I have my girl do this at least mentally to help in organizing the diagraming of a sentence. Then she plugs in the prep phrases to complete the sentence diagram.
AG only diagrams and labels the diff parts of speech over each word.
Easy Grammar removes the prep phrases and then labels the rest.
I just do the best of both worlds in CLE language arts and I think with both techniques, the concepts are not only easier to learn but stay with you better in the long run. Also, with my version, when you run into the exceptions with the prep phrases, ( first of all, CLE points out the new concept anyway,) you learn to deal with those exceptions more clearly as they arise and it isn't a total "Wait a min, this doesn't work anymore and I'm confused" problem.
Kim
What grammar programs have you identify and remove prepositional phrases before diagramming? Do most of them operate this way? I heard AG did. I know you could teach the child to do this but on your own but what programs teach this way?Thanks,
Sandy
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I can't speak for this poster, I can only say that reading through some of it made me feel like it was a lot of "Duh?" obvious, if you know what I mean.
Some of it was confusing (exercises) and at first didn't seem to relate to the lesson all that much, but then I realized that they expect you to sit with the entire family and use these to generate discussion. But don't try to get toooo deep with the answers. The surface response is usually what they're looking for.
Again, not terrible but we have these kinds of discussions without FD, :D
A.Kim
Could you elaborate?Thanks.
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Time will tell if my child actually longs for logic courses. That's fine with me, if nothing else they can be electives in High School, right?
I am having the dh take a look at Fallacy Detective for his 2 cents. If he and the daughter like it I'll prob go for it. Personally I'd stick to the workbooks because I think they're more useful. Again, not that FD isn't useful at all, it's just common sense dressed up, IMHO.
Thanks,
Kim
I would have to agree that logic classes are not necessary but they are fun. This part of school my dd loves! I will not do away with it because of how much fun she has.My ds 18 loves it too. He would sit for hours till he figured something out. He went to a Catholic College Prep High School and did logic in all kinds of his classes and loved it. He is a math guy though so maybe that has something to do with it.
So for us, logic stays. Its fun.
Tami
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We learn to think logically through so many other ways--in academics, life, trial and error, etc--that to me, a formal class is just overkill.
I like the puzzle books, also and think that they're great to get the juices moving in the morning before starting classwork, for ex.
(That and coffee helps, LOL. The child doesn't drink coffee but wishes she could in the morning.)
Now, the wisdom and logic thingie could generate an entirely new thread, LOL. I understand your point, but I think the older I get, the more I see how the two go hand-in-hand. You really can't have wisdom without logic, and logic produces wisdom. See my point?
Kim
You put that rather well. I too have wondered about a separate class for logic in the pre-high school years.Math teaches a great deal of logic - how to problem solve in a logical manner. Science teaches how to track a hypothesis to conclusion. WRiting teaches organized thinking.
I have used "logic" books like MindBenders, LogicLinks, GridPerplexors because they are fun. Youngest would work with them rather than TV or video games. Oldest enjoys them too. We play chess, Blockus, and other logical thinking games.
Wisdom is a whole 'nother story. I think there is a difference between wisdom and logic and the approach is different to learning each.
Fallacy Detective is cute and all. BJU teaches many of the concepts in their english and reading program (bandwagon, snob appeal, etc). Dh actually likes FD, he thinks it is funny.
I plan to look at logic this coming weekend at our closest homeschool conference. Not sure if I plan on teaching anything other than what we are already using, but I want to see what is available for high school.
Remember WTM is a great guide - it is not THE guide. No one send flames my way please.
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We're already at a 10 hour day is I do everything I want to though- so...dunno if we'll get to philosophy!
Check it out- I've been drooling: http://www.academybookstore.org/AngelicumStore/Detail.bok?no=943
(This is the 2nd grade book)
IMO, similar but more meaty than logic for early grades (pre high school).
Thanks, and I feel your pain. Do I want to spend the money on things that aren't really all that nec? I'm not against studying Logic; I never meant to imply that and I hope I haven't done that.
It's just that, other than learning terminology and technique, can you learn to think logically without using a class on logic? Probably IMHO.
But that's me. :)
Forgot to add:
Read through the website you ref'd, liked this:
"In Philosophy for Children, students begin by reading texts in the form of stories. These stories are about fictional children who discover how to reason more effectively, and how to apply their reasoning to life situations. These stories are then discussed by the children in the classroom. Many problematic issues are encountered and examined. The students deliberate among themselves, and this process of deliberation is then internalized by the individual students: they become more reflective and begin to think for themselves. These deliberations evoke thinking that is skillful and deliberate, thinking that employs relevant criteria, is self-correcting, and is sensitive to context. It is not just any kind of thinking: it is critical thinking."
We do this when we talk/narrate stories, etc. Many novels present opportunities to discuss worldviews/world philosophy vs God's view on things. As a believer, I think it's important to understand why you believe what you believe, and not think a certain way because some man or woman in the position of authority says something is or isn't, you know?
The only difficulty I would have with a philosophy course is that teaching a child to think for themselves without a Higher Standard to gauge their thinking by is dangerous. I mean, Hitler's Mein Kamf is full of philosophy, but I certainly don't buy into what he believed. His gauge was himself. That isn't nec good to gauge your conclusions solely on your own perspective, etc. Seeking counsel from others, etc is important IMHO.
Thanks!
Kim
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I picked up a copy of the Usborne book and frankly I don't see the reason to pick something recommended in curriculum--the experiments are the same quality if not better, and they teach basic physics and chemistry. You can beef it up by getting into the WHYs of the experiment with older kids and do the research, etc.
Another book I picked up was Fizzle, Bubble & Flash which covers many of the elements in Chemistry. It's really good, and I hope the experiments work out, LOL.
Kim
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I was going to say the same thing.
I use a curriculum that does plenty of diagraming (CLE is pretty solid IMHO), and when I go over lessons I remind her that it helps to "remove" the prep phrases first.
She still has to do something with them in diagraming, and I believe diagraming is a useful skill.
I do still diagram in my head whenever I'm writing a story, etc., just to check my grammar. I love diagraming, LOL.
Kim
Removing (or identifying) prepositional phrases first and diagraming are not mutually exclusive. You can ID the prepositional phrases first, this allows you to find the main parts of the sentence (subject, verb, direct object, etc.) MUCH more easily. You can then diagram the sentence. AG does this.I do think the diagraming is important when you get to advanced grammar concepts (phrases and clauses). Most programs don't get to that point (for good reason) until at least 5th grade. Spending three years prior to that just learning basic grammar is a LOT of time.
I'll probably use FLL with my kids until they're ready for formal grammar. That will be 5th grade in this house.
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Hi all,
Grab a cup of Joe, pull up a chair and sit with me a spell.
I have some serious questions I'd like to discuss with you all about WTM, logic, et al.
My girl is reaching the age when, according to The Book..er, I mean, WTM, says we should start training our youngin's in logic.
So, Auntie Kim obediently went out and sought material for this coming fall.
I browsed through workbooks and picked up the ever-popular Fallacy Detective and bought FD. Last night, I read through several of the lessons. Here's my conclusion on the entire thing:
The title should be "Book of Common Sense".
I'm really wondering what all the hype is about with this and other logic books.
Personally, I successfully made it through school in computer and info systems making about $100K a year (before I stayed home with the dd) without one logic course, and my husband went state on the debate team and finished his degree in Economics without one logic course, his brother is an exec with Deloitte and Touche and never studied logic, and my other college-level peers never studied logic --and we all did just fine in life without it.
Because we all shared one thing in common. We had enough common sense to figure out the system, world, et al, and got through.
Common sense is taught in the home. We teach our kids how to be responsible, caring, how to use their heads, etc.
The Bible calls it wisdom. You ask God for wisdom; you re-inforce it in your children.
So, do we really need classes in logic? I say, "no". Will logic classes give kids who have no common sense, er, common sense? Probably not.
Anyone care to discuss this with me? Give me a really valid reason that studying formal logic is absolutely nec?
Keep in mind that, "Reality" says we really only need a very strong foundation in communication (LA, public speech, etc) and math. The rest is frosting, IMHO. (PS: I love History, but Reality says I could probably survived quite well without it, for ex. But I study History because I love History, not because without it I won't be able to make it in this world.)
I'm all for studying anything your heart desires because you WANT to, but to say you have to have something and it's nec is another matter.
Thanks for listening,
Auntie K.
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Hi all,
I'm considering using this simple Physics/Chem/Bio experiment book next year with a 12 yo.
Has anyone ever used it? How are the experiments; are they lame? Do they work? Etc etc. Too young for a 12 yo?
Any comments would be appreciated. THanks.
Kim
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But doesn't really prove anything. And I guess I'll end up playing the advocate, here.
So, are we saying that the early Church was in error, then?
I mean, when you think about it, during the 3rd centruy for ex, Rome was dealing with the Barbarian incursions. They were looking for recruits and the Christians refused to sign up. They also refused to bow the knee to the Emperor, of course. These people were willing to die rather than fight.
I was in the military, BTW, and I'm not Mennonite, either, so I'm not slamming anyone, here. I've been a Christian for many moons and I'm probably much older than most of the posters on this site. I believe that in my earlier days I walked in the light that God had given me, and He was with me when I was in the military.
But now, at 46, could I do that again? I'd have a harder time signing on the line and raising the right hand.
Of course, if God came to me and ordered me to go, I"d go. (Assuming I could even sign at 46, LOL. Hey, there's homeland security...) I believe God has His reasons for everything and I do believe in exceptions, and God isn't interested in appearances, but Truth and accomplishing His will and developing character in our lives. What really matters is His will. But I'd have to be dead certain it was God before I'd sign.
As a general rule, Jesus' "Love your enemies" thing is to be taken seriously, and we're to obey the authorities over us unless it conflicts with the will of God. American Christians seem to gloss over these Scriptures way too often and have the mindset that we're the good guys and they're the bad guys, and God is obviously on our side, etc, etc. and this is a Christian nation, which it really isn't, and is becoming less Christian all the time.
God is only on God's side. (Joshua 5). I can't emphasize this enough, folks. God raises up and puts down nations at His choosing. He even told the Israelites that they weren't chosen because they were better than the other people in the area, etc., and made it clear to them that His choice was Sovereign and had nothing to do with them at all. Very humbling, no?
It's the American theology that gets to me, sometimes, at 46. :)
I just throw this out as something to ponder and pray about. I'm not pointing fingers at people, just trying to point people back to the Scriptures to get people to consider the other guy's view.
It's a tough issue, to be sure, and it sometimes takes years to wrestle with. My concern is, no one is wrestling at all, it seems--or very few are, anyway.
Just don't assume that the majority is right because they're the majority, you know? I think the Anabaptists have a valid argument that we should listen to, at least.
FYI, during the religious wars between the Catholics and Protestants after the Reformation, when they were all killing each other (God help us...), it was the Anabaptists who refused to fight other Christians. There were some fringe Anabaptist groups that were violent, but the vast majority of them simply refused to fight anyone and they were slaughtered because of their willingness to do what Jesus taught. It's sooo sad to think we were killing each other, you know?
Take care and God Bless,
Kim
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I'm joking, of course. I can't imagine anyone not liking what you have in the quote.
But honestly, if you've studied Church history at all, the early church was pacifist.
Kim
I only have up through the fourth grade books, but pacifism, nonviolence, forgiveness, etc are definately heavy themes in the readers. -
Still, other commitments supersede school. I believe, if you stand up and say, "I'm a home schooler!" Then you should school, and whatever you do, do it as unto the Lord.
best wishes,
I think the danger with Christianity and Christians in general is we have a tendency to separate the secular from the spiritual, and in God's eyes, everything we do is spiritual, even learning our math.
As you said, Do everything as unto the Lord.
Thanks!
Kim
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For financial concerns, I'm not sure that's bad either. I heard Andrew Pudewa discuss the older ways of teaching spelling - oral drill - and how that can have some far superior options compared to the modern workbook style. 150 years ago they did not have piles of cheap consumable books for kids and their education was often superior from it. I have homeschooled on a shoe-string budget, through unemployment of my spouse, cuts in pay and other problems that I would homeschool if there wasn't a dime to do it with. Just give me a library card. OK, that and perhaps a used Saxon book or two. Math is one area I find where unschooling alone is often difficult to gain success.
Yep, like I said earlier, thank-you Ben Franklin. :D ...and a decent math textbook. BTW, I do spelling drills aloud at my house. Makes her think...
I read one comment about parents not seeing the big picture for homeschooling and just letting their kids live in a bubble with bible studies and play groups. For many people the big picture has nothing to do with academics, which our society idolizes anymore. We practically bow down and worship at the feet of anyone in a lab coat. :tongue_smilie: It's also likely these kids aren't as sheltered as it looks. Many think my daughters are sheltered, and in some areas they are, but no one knows of the conversations that go on in our house about many real issues. Kids who watch shows that do not give the truth about consequences of certain behaviors are getting a big dose of another type of sheltering (dangerous) that my daughters would pick up in a heartbeat watching the same thing.
Sounds like my house. Sheltered?? Nope.
I have been guilty of having starry eyes over lots of letters after a name. But you know, I have a very well-paid brother-in-law exec who flies all over the world every week and he admitted to my husband that he hopes his son does something totally different than he did, like become an artist or something. Something low stress.
There's beauty in just loving what you do. Period. It isn't the paycheck or the labcoat/prestige. Just make sure you enjoy your job. So many people have come to hate what they do. It's sad.
I happen to also believe in delayed academics, within reason.
Correct me if I'm wrong, PA'ers, but school isn't compulsory until the child is 8 in that state, correct? There are a lot of theories about development levels, etc and some believe it's better to delay education. That's true.
Unfortunately or fortunately for me, don't know, my girl walked up to me at 4 and insisted that I teach her to read with my TCP/IP book in hand. I said okay, found 100 Easy Lessons and off we went. She learned to read so fast that by the time she was ready for kindergarten, dummy mom had already taken her to the library and she'd studied basic science and math, as well, so she didn't fit in the kindergartner class. They were still circling "a"'s at the end of the year.
I'm not boasting at all, believe me. Like I said earlier in another post, she's leaving me behind in her dust and I may see the day when I'll have to have dad take over or something. (It's kind of embarrassing to hear her say, "No mom, that's not right." all the time...and she's right and I"ve gotten it wrong again...)
I insist on reading the books first :D. Period. EOS.....though we still get it about the "sheltered" because they don't fall over and drool when they see a picture of Orlando Bloom, despite loving LOTR. :drool5: Oh well.
Someone has said that Christian homeschooled families try to shelter, and like you said, that's true, but we don't shelter them from reality. I can only speak for myself, but I'm glad my dd isn't being pressed into following the latest fads out there or feeling the pressure of not having a boyfriend.
I admit I am far more likely to "tsk,tsk" a parent who complains to me about how bad the schools are on their child, the bullying, stress, and other things, only to refuse to do anything about it because they couldn't handle having to homeschool. Usually the comments are something along the line of "I couldn't stand to be with my kids all day." I think there are kids who are better off with a parent indifferent to education, who at least loves him enough to sacrifice and *be there* if he needs it, than a kid whose parent puts him in a good school where his spirit is broken. Perhaps that's also making an unfair judgment and perhaps their comments are just covering up their own insecurities. I'm just stating where my concerns tend to fall, instead of worrying about homeschooling's future.
The above was worth repeating...if I"m correct in assuming you're saying that good parenting is more important than homeschooling. Which I agree with. I was PS'd and my mom would stand over me and make me do my homework before I could do anything else. I would cry and say she was sooo mean because everyone else was out playing. GOD love her...
Kim
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""Do you think economic changes are going to effect some homeschool family publishers? (It's expensive to publish, just FYI.)" Yes, I believe that some of the smaller houses may have to close if the economy continues to worsen. Perhaps some will look to consolidate with others to create a larger, joint effort business for themselves?
Whether or not the economic situation will begin to crimp the ability of families to provide outside activities, classes, etc., I don't know. Hs'ers are a pretty resourceful bunch and always have been - when push comes to shove I feel pretty certain they'll rise to the occasion and come up with innovative ways to continue learning opportunities. Remember, more and more great U.S. universities are beginning to post open courseware online for anyone who wants to study and learn. I can see groups of high school kids banding together to study the same courses with an adult leader, etc.
One can learn from self-study of good books (Lincoln did it), even if one does not have an instructor. Some kids enrolled in public schools have to do this, too, so it's not just occurring within hsing.
Good questions!
To expand on what you've said, I wonder if we'll see the day when we have homeschool mega stores instead of the small teacher stores that are out there. Wouldn't it be nice?
But that involves a middle man so the cost could go up. But it's a thought.
I haven't been to a curriculum fair in ages. I remember, though, that there's an entry fee to them. True?
It's true that there has been a boom in online courses through universities because of the price of gas. I can see networks crashing, maybe with all of the people on the system at once. :001_huh: But seriously, the Internet and distance learning is the future, period.
Which brings up another point. In the future, our kids will be going to school virtually, anyway IMHO.
What do you think, folks?
Lastly, all we have ever needed, IMHO, is the public library system. THANK GOD for Benjamin Franklin, no? I love that guy...
Kim
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We just got the property tax bill today--up $600 from last year.
We're being gouged left and right. We're doing okay because we always pay off our cards and we keep a reserve in the bank that we're dipping into. Thank the Lord...
January (raise month) can't come too soon, though. Sigh.
Kim
Unfortunately, economics has effected home schoolers in our area; me included. With one in college and a slow economy, I cannot pay for online/community college classes like I did for my oldest. Hence public high school for middle child.I know other families whose elementary children and now in school because the mom had to get a job to make ends meet.
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What I do know is that NO ONE will love or care for my kid's mental, spiritual and emotional health the way that I will.
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So True!
Kim
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THanks so much for throwing in your comments!
...there is a moral issue on both sides of the decision of homeschooling. Making the decision to keep children at home in order to form them morally and spiritually leaves the parent with the equal moral obligation of educating the child.I agree. I learned one thing at a parenting class that has always stuck with me. IT's really obvious, but we don't always think about it.
When we parent (or choose to homeschool!) we have to think down the road long term, not at the immediate. As far as homeschooling, it is not only preparing the kids spiritually but educationally to have the tools nec to succeed, even if they choose not to work outside the home, they're still better prepared to help their own children if they have a decent education, whether they continue on to college or not.
I used to be in the homeschooling "no matter what" camp.
However, I do have a conviction that many homeschoolers feel trapped as their young adults out-pace them or become difficult to teach. Homeschooling is an option. Faith and morals do exist outside of the homeschooling community. Seeking outside educational sources is not a betrayal to child formation.
I can speak from experience on that one. :iagree: I was diagnosed (finally after several months of suffering) with Psoriatic arthritis in 6 major joints, and let me tell you. laying their on the coach barely able to move, I thought about continuing to homeschool. I could tell my husband was worried for a while, too.
And with the meds that I'm on, I don't even read aloud the same as I used to. (It's our favorite bonding thing in the evenings to read a book together.) I stumble all over the page and I used to be a pretty successful dramatic reader in public, for ex. So the effects of this arthritis is real.
In addition to the physical problems, my daughter is already starting to distance me in some ways. She's her daddy's girl, that's for sure. She is strong in math and I see the day when dad will have to pick up math in the evening with her, because I won't be able to. Math has never been my thing, and the drugs are making it worse.
Thankfully, the pain is under control and I can type again and get around, but there's always the poss of relapse.
So, we talk about the future and what's best for the gal, and she just may end up in school some place.
The good news is, after they reach a certain age, I believe (and they say this is true) their personalities and self confidence are pretty well formed, and although a child's brain isn't really fully matured until somewhere in the 20s, I believe, they develop their character much earlier than that.
So, even if you have to put them in a school where the kids don't believe the way you've taught your children, or the teachers have different worldview than yours, your kids do have a very good chance of "making it" without too much damage ;). (Of course, parenting doesn't end when homeschooling ends...)
And they're used to learning at home, so school should actually be quite easy for them academically.
So I don't worry over putting her in school. I'd just miss her terribly. :crying:
Kim
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Sorry about the table. :001_rolleyes::lol:
(Hope you get it finished before the fall and the heat is on, again...)
I had very good experiences with the pioneers of homeschooling,too. When I started out they ran the groups and coached moms on how to go about it. They were soooo encouraging to us and opened up their homes to us and everything.
I don't think some of us would have gotten off the ground without them. They were anything but arrogant.
Dinner must get on the table (ours is already finished...)
Take care!
Kim
What a fantastic conversation!I first want to let the OP know that I hold her personally responsible for my dining room table not getting sanded today. I was going to sand it after lunch, but I read this thread over my lunch and now I am sucked in. You couldn't do this next week when I am finished with the dining room table project?:001_huh:
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I am not a homeschool pioneer, we did not start until '91. But when I started homeschooling the pioneers were teaching high schoolers. There was a lot of pressure on them to pave the way and set a good precedent and I think they they did a great job.
I think there is a lot of truth to the OP's concerns. I don't think all of these concerns are new either. There have always been families that you just knew were not doing anything with their kids. And nobody really knows what to do or say about it because we want to help those children and yet we don't want to bring increased regulation on ourselves. We won't report anyone because we cannot trust the system, we know the system is likely to go overboard and destroy the family and perhaps other families as well.
I have spent a lot of hours on the phone through the years with homeschool moms who just could not get the train on the tracks. I have even tutored a student, free of charge, even supplied the homeschool materials for her. In the end I don't think my investment changed any lives.
It's a real problem and unfortunately I do not know of a real solution. I know the same thing is going on in the public schools as well, and I don't know the solution there, either.
I think the solution should have been private, voluntary self regulation. We should have figured out a way to support parents and help them when they are clearly failing without being overbearing and harming parents who were indeed succeeding but by a different path. It is a complicated issue and I fear that the government can only handle complicated solutions to simple issues and simple solutions to complicated issues. I would hazard a guess that the government's solution will be to shut the whole thing down, as that would be the simplest solution.
What do I know? I live in a state without a homeschool law. We have a memo. No law. Just a memo to govern our homeschool population.
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What's the reason behind that? Just curious.
You can't have a reviewer? Man... :angry: I think it would be so much better than getting tested. The testing is stressful enough!!!
Thanks for the eye opener.
Kim
Depending on the state, yes, they do. My special needs 7yo is tested just like a regular 7yo, even though he's just learned to count to 10 consistently.
Logic classes - are they necessary? I'm thinking not...
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I think that's kinda my problem. I've always scored reeeeaaallly high on the logic portion on tests. My profession was Analyst.
So, I'm always pointing out ads, billboards, commercials, etc and laughing aloud and say, "Yeah, right..." and my daughter listens to it and now she's picking up on it. She's getting the picture that we live in a very commercialistic world, with the bottom line of profit.
I love the newer billboards I'm seeing these days. "Because you deserve it..." written across the bottom, etc. I may not know the tech term for this kind of bad thinking, but I can tell bad thinking when I see it - and see the advertiser's hand reaching for my wallet.
The amount of debt in our society tells us that you're right that people are buying into this stuff.
But as a Christian I see it as advertisers appealing to the flesh to sell their products, plain and simple.
Auntie Kim