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Well, we're doing God's Design Human body, which is tooo light IMHO but it might fit what you're looking for.
I'm sup'ing with AIMS From Head to Toe. - has graphing and simple math exercises. We're going to do a Science party with her friends to do some of the lab together so that she can research the charts/info from her friends later next year in school.
I'm also using MacMillan/McGraw-Hill's Inside the Human Body which would fit the bill for you, too. It is secular, but they don't preach humanism at you, at least. And it has enough to keep her busy for 4-6 weeks.
Just some suggestions.
Kim
Sandra,Ok that got a good chuckle out of me. :D
Well I sat down with my dd and had her look at the samples of all the programs, and hands down she loved RS4K.
Our new plan is:
Fall: Chemistry I with all 6 KOGS (12-18 weeks)
Human body study-don't know what with, but she hates it and has never covered it. Something light, just to touch on it. (4-6 weeks)
If Chemistry 1B is out then we will do with it and all the KOGS (Dr. Keller said it might be as early as spring of 2009 on her blog). (10-12 weeks)
If Chemistry 1B is not out then we will do Physics with my own additions, then do Chemistry 1B in the fall of 2009.
I love a plan!
You have been lots of help. I had to wrap my mind around it before I could let it go. :001_cool:
Heather
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...if the RS4K doesn't pan out. Who knows, she can surprise me sometimes :001_huh:
Kim
Kim,Did you know that the extra resource lists for CKE is in the CKE yahoo group? (Which says it is Biology, but really covers all of them.) It sounds like you have made your choice, but in case there was any lingering ideas of doing a more living book based approach with CKE as the spine, I thought I would let you know.
Heather
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For all the comments. I saw some of the KOGS samples. I have so much language arts and history already bought/planned that I can't see adding the KOGS onto what I"m doing. Sniff. She'd hate me if I pile on any more, LOL.
I'm thinking I'll just do the Chem and Physics I and II for both over the next couple of years and use the following that someone in another thread pointed out. LOOKS FABULOUS!!!! Even as good as the RS4K, LOL. You have *got* to check this out::drool:
It has a lot of math which I think will be good for easing into High School science, IMHO. They have a music one, and the gal is taking piano. I might swing both eventually. Somehow. But definitely the Astronomy!
Best wishes,
Kim
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We're using this for a supplement. Main text will be Fillipenko's with his Teaching Company lectures.
Here's a link for Math and the Cosmos:
I wouldn't mind getting both some day.
Thanks again,
Kim
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We're using this for a supplement. Main text will be Fillipenko's with his Teaching Company lectures.
Here's a link for Math and the Cosmos:
I'm enjoying one of the sample videos. This is really nice!
Kim
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I think I just found it...
Kim
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Have you heard of this?
Signs and Seasons - Understanding The Elements Of Classical Astronomy by Jay Ryan
Thanks,
Kim
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But with respect, who is advocating a parent abdicate their role in their children's education? I shudder at the thought. I think we have both the right and the duty to our children to make certain ALL INSTRUCTION does not come from one one source.
But when a parent is as guilty of controlling and narrowing the perspectives their children are exposed to as any Caesar, then you have "totalitarianism in the home".
And I find it somewhat ironic that on a "classical" education forum, where learning Latin and learning Roman history is (for most) a perceived virtue, that there is an over-concern with children becoming good Romans.
What value is a belief system that isn't tested and reasoned?
Bill
Related to what CherylCo has pointed out in response to your post, Bill, is a growing statistic of evangelicals who now feel that Jesus isn't the only way to Heaven. It was something like 70%.
Do you feel this way, also?
This could explain why so many of the youth are leaving their faith. If they're growing up in homes of people who profess Christianity, yet feel we should tolerate other beliefs by saying they're just as valid and they're all going to Heaven, too, it is no wonder so many are leaving the faith.
There is no logic in stating you are Christian, but you also believe all roads lead to Heaven. As CherylCo points out very well, God is totalitarian. He makes it very clear in Scripture that His way (Jesus) really is the only way. (Why die for the sins of all mankind if you don't have to?) It isn't up to our interpretation, it is pretty black and white, and has been for a couple of thousand years, now.
I just felt that I should mention the other statistic that's out there.
Kim
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Regarding the question as to whether or not homeschooling really makes the difference, I heard it quoted (at the conference I attended recently?) that evangelical children from public schools have about an 80-85% chance of walking away from the faith. In a homeschool, of which there certainly are thousands of examples by now, it's going around 2-4%.
Those numbers, if they are accurate, speak very loudly. The "trial by fire" can be great but not always to those still in need of discipling who are young or not even yet grounded in the faith. It's far more likely they'll be like the little plants that get scorched.
It's a dangerous thing to play with as a Christian whose ultimate goal should be eternity, as though one is just another option over another. I don't look at it as "upping my odds" of having my children stay with the faith as though it was simply a formula to plug in. It's instead going as close to my understanding of exactly what God expects from us parents because there are consequences when you do not in all things.
It's an authority issue. When you give Caesar ultimate authority and confirm this to your child in every way by having them look to Caesar for all their instruction, you can't be surprised when you raise good little Romans.
Those that have taken little kids from schools and tried teaching them at home can probably see this. When I started homeschooling my girls after a Montessori kindergarten I spent the first half of the year hearing about how, "that's not how Ms. ____________ does it". I wasn't their authority. I had to gain it back even at that age.
My point is that you have a far more perilous battle if you put your kids in the public schools so once again, I think it's all the more reason parents need the danger to be spelled out very clearly.
I will see if I can find any statistics to back up those claims above.
OK, edited to say "found it". It's from the NHERI site and the study done on over 7,000 adult homeschoolers. http://www.nheri.org/Home-Educated-and-Now-Adults.html
The other is the more commonly known one done in 2002 by the Southern Baptist Council siting 85% walking away, though it did not divide up public school only even though this does account for the vast majority.
That fits in with Scripture.
It is tempting to say, "Hey, let's expose them to all kinds of thinking and let them chose their own course", but this is not the Biblical model we see in Scripture.
Kim
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Long emails to pastors= long sigh.
Pretty much no one reads long emails.
Pastors get more of their share of them.
Long emails don't persuade. They create a negative impression before the pastor even talks to you, which is what he will do if he's wise (as opposed to email back) and what you will do if you're wise (as opposed to send an email)
Also, be aware that the statistics about who stays in the faith and who leaves do not necessarily favor homeschoolers and Christian schoolers. They favor parents who actively disciple and who live out Christian lives in front of their kids. There is a strong argument to be made that kids who are in the public school system may actually strengthen their faith because it is tested while they are at home. If the first big tests come as a young adult---ie in college or just after, they may fail. We know families who have raised strong Christian kids both ways. I've seen incredibly strong Christian kids emerge from Christian families who go all the way through the public school system. I've seen strong homeschooled kids. I've seen homeschooled kids and Christian-schooled kids who lived a false life on the outside for their parents' eyes, and were able to keep up the charade pretty long. I know adults who went to Christian schools who thought Christian schools were hotbeds of hypocrisy. My point is that I think it can work (or not work) whatever your educational choice. I think it's a weak point to say that Christian education is best. I'd skip that one.
I'm enjoying this discussion, by the way. Can you tell? :)
In your first one, I might mention that there are 2 classes of folks in the world. Those who would prefer email and those who prefer one-on-one. I learned this at work long ago. Many prefer one-on-one, so I agree. You have to watch emails and length, etc. It may be better for her to see the pastor at his office.
I'd like to explore your second para, above. It would be interesting to divide the stats to homeschooled vs non-homeschooled to see a better pic of what is working and what isn't, then you'd have to drill down to the more important thing---living out your Christianity in front of the kids. There is no guarantee that homeschooling parents do this any better than PS parents. I agree.
Also, I agree that things go on in Christian schools the same as PS. No guarantee there, either.
Of course, the most important thing for any of us to do, regardless, is believing God. It isn't a list of do's and don't's that influence kids. It is believing God and seeing Him work in our lives as parents. THAT will have a direct influence on our children--whether they stay in the faith or not.
Kim
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And I see where you got the impression that I was referring to preaching homeschooling as "right". Sorry. I should have worded it better than I did, LOL. Bad wording defeats me again.
Anyway, I agree with ya. We have a lot of struggling single parents, for ex. I wouldn't dare tell them they're bad parents because they don't homeschool. That would be insane. :)
Kim
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But I strongly disagree with this statement, "First of all, if a pastor fears alienating anyone, then he isn't preaching the Gospel. :)" I think a pastor should always worry about alienating people over issues that are not directly covered in scripture.
The Gospel is the good news. It is in Scripture. I'm not referring to any gray areas, that's why I said specifically GOSPEL. ;).
We aren't disagreeing, here, LOL. Of course, in personal philosophy topics, you have to be flexible and open to everyone's situation. That's a given and just plain common sense.
I can honestly say that my hubby and I haven't offended or driven anyone away because we choose to homeschool and we're the only ones who have. But they have started taking a greater interest in their own children's ed since we've been there, and that without saying a word about it. Prob because of our position in the church, of course. I would hope, though, that any homeschooling family could do this in any church.
What we come across more than anything is the attitude that "I'm not qualified to teach my children." That's the unwitting result of decades of letting the institutions do the job for us.
Thanks,
Kim
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Thanks for your comments. I'm trying to work within the reality that the majority of kids at our church go to public school and that will likely never change. I don't want to condemn those that make that choice but I would like to see our church address the possible influence of these hours and offer some strategies to help equip these kids.
That's the situation I face, as well. When we first came to the church we were looked upon as kind of weird because we homeschooled. I even had a mild confrontation with an older lady who was a bit afraid because her own daughter had decided to homeschool their 2 grandsons. People actually fear homeschool! :confused:
But over time, they have gotten to know me and my daughter, and how we take education seriously. I think parents want the best for their kids. Many of the parents have to work, though. Many around here are blue collar and can't afford a one income household. Pastors can't either, BTW ;). But they understand our sacrifice, now, and they see the need to get involved with their children's ed. So it has been a positive influence. I've never criticized these parents, I only show them the positive side of homeschooling.
Homeschooling can be a totally new concept to people, but it can be enlightening to folks to see parents directly involved with teaching their kids, and they pick up on it and get involved in more ways educationally with their own, if that makes any sense.
For way too long, parents have left the job up to the brick and mortar institutions (Church and Public School) to do everything that the parents have been led to feel they were incapable of doing themselves. The institutions have unknowingly fostered this in parents. Parenting is tough work, regardless, and too many of us parents would love to turn the job over to some institution. That is what we are basically discussing, here.
We have to undo this as Christian homeschooling parents.
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Absolutely. Our chuch is covenental, so we believe that under normal providence our children will be Christian, but we are not to take it for granted, and are still required to "train them up in the way they should go."
According to Paul's teaching our children are under the protective Spiritual umbrella of their believing parents. And God is faithful; we don't fear the world, we truth Him and do as He leads us with our children.
Don't disagree with you folks at all ;)
Kim
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Hmmmmm. I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. I think this is the Holy Spirit's job. No parent can ever make their child a Christian no matter how much they train, pray, lead, guide, etc. I am a firm believer in not turning the job of spiritual training over solely to the church, but it is still ultimately between the child and the Lord.
Naturally it is between them and the Lord and the Holy Spirit is the only one who opens eyes, etc.
But we are all responsible to preach the Gospel and get the message out. What i'm saying is, don't leave preaching the message up to the Church. We parents are able ministers, too.
Does that help?
What is exciting is watching your kids "see" the message, and they start asking questions, then ask to pray with you, and watch the Holy Spirit as He brings the fruit in their lives. God is faithful.
:)
Kim
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Sarah, your letter is written with great compassion and I think it is well balanced and gracious. You offer some great suggestions of how the church can help families who choose not to homeschool. However, I think a pastor might feel helpless to make a difference in this issue. It is such a personal choice for each family and he would probably alienate a lot of families if he tried encouraging them to homeschool. Keep in mind that your convictions might not be his and he might not see the value in all the things you are talking about.
If you are new to the church, I might prefer to talk directly to the pastor and ask his opinions rather than a letter. It might seem less confrontational (although I don't think your letter has a confrontational tone).
I agree and disagree with this poster. I agree that perhaps it would be better to sit down and have a heart-to-heart with the pastor istead of writing a letter. It is poss that the pastor doesn't know much about homeschooling and he probably wasn't homeschooled and doesn't see the need or advantage to it. It would be enlightening to him, no doubt. ;0)
I'm not sure about the pastor fearing to alienate the parents with the concept of homeschooling. First of all, if a pastor fears alienating anyone, then he isn't preaching the Gospel. :) Possibly offending people is part of the job of a minister of the Gospel. My husband is a pastor.
As far as homeschooling, a pastor doesn't preach "You must homeschool" or "Homeschooling is better than X". A pastor talks about the fact that we all homeschool to a degree--every time you teach a child to walk or use a fork or tie his/her shoes, you're homeschooling ;). It is about not leaving your child's education up to the institutions, and that we all have a responsibility to be active in teaching our children, working with teachers, etc., and helping our kids make wise choices about friends and activities, etc. That is still homeschooling. And if they feel it is what God is telling them to do, then you homeschool the academics, also!
It's all in the presentation. That's how we avoid offending parents. Tell the truth that is encouraging them to do the right thing. If anyone is offended by the Gospel or homeschooling for that matter, it is because the individual isn't where they should be to begin with Spiritually, IMHO.
Kim
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How could I have forgotten this one?
They need to know the LORD at an early age, too. Make sure they've given their lives to Him. That's the parent's job, too.
The Holy Spirit is faithful. He can watch over those that belong to Him.
I think the worst mistake a parent can make is leaving it up to the church to help their child know Jesus.
That's mom and dad's job, too. Sorry. Sunday School isn't enough.
IMO, we wouldn't need Sunday School if the parents would teach their own children about the Lord!
Kim
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I vote go for it.
I agree 1000% with everything you say.
Discipleship for kids is homeschooling, IMHO.
I realize that not every child can be homeschooled for whatever reason, but mom and/or dad had better be HEAVILY involved in their education in some way, and telling their kids why what the school teaches isn't always God's way. I pray for the kids in our church all the time that are PS'd. And their parents don't seem to care to stop the carnage, either, and they claim to be Christian. Sometimes they don't understand just how worldly THEY are, and it is influencing their kids, too.
Absolutely frightening, IMHO. And they wonder why 3 of the teens are either pregnant or have gotten someone pregnant in the last 4 years. Their ans? "I took them to church, what happened?"
Sheesh.
We need to start parenting, IMHO and stop leaving it up to a couple of hrs at the church to do the job.
I'll get off my box, now.
Kim
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The previous year's work and any really good writing that she's done.
Not enough space to keep it all.
In high school, I'll have to box it I guess. I think it's more important to keep the work at that level.
Kim
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Hi all,
Anyone used a program that was really good/in depth for Ast at the 7th or 8th grade level? I'm getting lazy and dont want to build yet another subj.
Please, no Apologia elementary.
Kim
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We used to use a mommy bag. You don't put it away, it goes in the mommy bag and you might get to see it again in maybe 6 mths....
Kim
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I was going to say something, but why? This is good. I'll have my dd read this when it comes up....again.
:)
Kim
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If you don't mind a Christian curriculum. We love CLE!! Check "Curriculum Reviews" on my blog to see why I love CLE so much. HTH!
And just enough repetition to keep his retention up. They don't beat a concept to death, they introduce it and mix it with "review what you know already" concepts and re-introduce the new later and mix again. (Spiral approach).
And it is all LA, not just grammar.
Best kept secret in homeschooling IMHO. It only has a small following. I think people can't believe they can get a decent LA program for less than $35 a year. Boggles the mind, LOL. The reading program is very good, also.
Kim
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I started Christian light this summer and plan to use it next year. I'm happy with the mix of everything. It isn't just grammar. Their reading prog is good, also.
PS: I didn't think I'd like a mix of everything, but I'm learning to apprec this curriculum. And it's very inexpensive IMHO.
For once, cheap doesn't mean skimpy/low quality.
Kim
Family members are starting to talk about school already
in K-8 Curriculum Board
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You might just want to print this out and show him the letter. Here' sa mom who wouldn't have dreamed of homeschooling and now wouldn't let anyone change the fact that she homeschools, LOL.
It might just work.
Kim