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Penn State
I had thought of Penn State since I'm from that state but I thought it would be hard to get into...Doesn't it have a good reputation? I'd also like the least paperwork possible too if that exists in the US...when I read everything people have to submit it sounds overwhelming:-)
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You are in Germany right? There is no need to apply to a US school to show that she could gain admission. Germany is very familiar with US high school graduates. DAAD has a website that states the requirements.
Ok, we're not in Germany but close enough...
First - that is very interesting! They make it really easy for Americans...knowing what to ask for SAT's etc...They don't even know what they are here in CH or at least don't request any info about them...When I showed her brothers just now, they got all excited!
The reason I was asking about an American university is that they say here that you need to prove that you could have entry in your country (ETA - maybe for us, not sure yet, just want to be ready if so)...So since she'll have a diploma, it would need to be accepted in the US, not in Germany.
But your link is very helpful! I had no idea it would be so easy if things don't work out here. At least it's not as far away as North America :-)
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Pretty much any non-flagship state university would be pretty happy to get a kid with that profile.
I was just trying to do a multi-quote response...to answer everyone at once...When you say a 'non-flagship' state university, I don't know what that means...well I have some idea of good state universities...but not sure how to tell what is non-flagship...
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I know this will sound strange but it is a 'just in case' type of situation....
One of the requirements for people coming in with a foreign diploma over here, is that they can prove that they would be accepted with this diploma in any university in their country. Of course, the second part "any university" cannot completely apply in the US as spots are competitive...
But if I needed to produce an acceptance letter in a fairly short turn around time, dd would need to apply to a 'university',
big enough to have lots of majors possible,
but not so difficult that she would have trouble getting in,
rolling admissions so we wouldn't have to wait for another year to apply
it could be anywhere in the US because she actually wouldn't go there, just prove that she could be admitted.
Could anyone propose such a university?
I should have asked this before she took the SAT the other day so we could have her scores sent there but we're a bit surprised by the other admission changes and are having to suddenly change the game plan...
....Even though she'll have probably 7 AP's and some SAT II's...she has no sports (apart from a once a week type thing for gym), no work on the side, no creative theater or anything (because there is no weight given to such activities on applications here), and hasn't started any NGO's :-)...
Thanks!
Joan
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The noncompetitive situation sounds similar to the situation here for people who have taken the Swiss exams/have the Swiss diploma/maturite which I guess is the Abitur in Germany, except the part about high school students taking courses is different... A common question on the apps is whether the student is matriculated in any other 'Haute Ecole" and it seemed like I heard something about failing in one school meant you couldn't get in to another...We'll have to research...Glad to hear your daughter is doing well...
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Thank you. He will know some French too, coming off 6 months in school in France after a couple years of study here,but probably not nearly as much as your DD! Thanks also for the book feedback.
Well, he might be ready...A friend whose daughter was only here for two years, one as Home Ed and the other in an International school, who did take weekly tutoring sessions with a very good tutor, did it the following year when she went back to the US...I think she was taking French at the local community college or something like that....Anyway, she was very enthusiastic about the language but didn't have years of experience....I think I posted somewhere awhile ago about the AP language exams not being so focused on perfect grammar but more on cultural knowledge and common expressions...
Have you looked at the sample AP French exams on the College Board?
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Just another update about the Goethe coursework...
Dd is just finishing B1.2 and overall still thinks that it is overpriced...that OSU German was much better for the money.
Overall she thinks that she was probably placed in too easy of a course, but there were some things that she didn't know...still she didn't learn that much over all for a very hefty fee. She wouldn't use it again...
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I wouldn't have been able to do it without Homeschool Tracker +...I don't get any money from them for saying that but my daughter could tell you how often I've said that to her....
There are shortcuts to using it that I'd recommend - its a thread I keep meaning to start to help others...maybe after May when dd graduates...
Then if you look at the links in the pinned threads - about transcripts, etc....I'd started a thread years ago about what I had wished I'd known in 7th grade...I can't say that I've saved everything that I recommended then...but the basics are there and you can pick and choose....
Now I also print up a weekly sheet (as a report from HST+ with the schedule) and dd fills in the assignment that she did for that hour, so that I have a paper copy that I enter at the end of the week (sometimes sooner)...
The skills you develop as you HE high school, will serve you in other areas later on in life...
All the best,
Joan
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May I ask where she did AP french? I cannot find many online options for AP French, I think Potter School is the only one I could find last I looked. Many thanks!
I developed the AP French course and got it approved - sorry I can't help you because I did start with a 'student' who knew a lot of French already so I couldn't guarantee results for others!
I have to say that the Pearson books - AP French and Allons audela needed more work...They'd just developed them for the changed AP French exam but they still had a lot of bugs in them....They did get the essential concepts right with the different cultural areas...
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I've just written to them to ask about HE students working together to do the seminar for example...
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I think it's an interesting idea because over here, it is typical to do an end-of-high-school research paper...so for me, it would validate the AP path internationally. I see them trying to compete with the IB program internationally - for admissions in different countries...
Personally I like the flexibility of AP coursework much better than the IB, especially because AP's can be done by home educators :-)...but also because it is not so lockstep...no formula for when it is done and where...
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Another thing: if the student is graduated from high school, but does not yet start college (i.e. takes a gap year), he can not further his education by taking college classes after high school graduation - or he won't be considered a freshman for admission. So, keeping the student as a high school student may be beneficial because it allows him to take college courses without enrolling as a regular student.
sorry, this is not for the OP but I'm just wondering if you have any idea how things work in Europe...about this...
We ran into a problem...The admissions requirements can change every year here and they only post them in January. We had a great surprise when, for the school my dd is interested in, there was a requirement for those applying with foreign diplomas to have the diploma in hand, before you could even apply!! So she has to finish this May, graduating "early" but has the needed AP's (presuming she passes them :-)), get her AP grades, and then she can apply next January for the following year. This means that she has a year off and cannot do what you are suggesting, to stay in school and do college courses while in high school. To be an official university student, you have to have finished high school.
The thing is that we have found some other schools which do not have the same requirement about the diploma being in hand. They are not in the field my dd wishes to pursue, but would give her knowledge in other fields....
So my question...do you know if this "not being considered a freshman" is a problem over here? Of course there are different schools so perhaps different requirements, but I'm just wondering if you have even seen it in Germany? She would study in Economics for a year, for example, then hopefully get into this other school and start over (since they don't have credits that transfer).
For a couple of weeks, we thought dd could do an internship...but after she went out and applied and got some negative responses, she lost hope and went back to the idea of studying...
Any ideas? (we have thought about her doing au pair work, but I don't think she wants to do that for a whole year as she has lots of European experience already...)
Thanks!
Joan
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And not feel like their completely overloaded......
I'm not on enough these days to "know" you, but I notice your oldest is 12 yo...so do you mean for when he starts high school or in Jr. Hi. or at the end of high school?
I think it's partly a matter of the workload of a particular class, partly personal interest, and partly a matter of work habits which is also related to experience...
My dd started with AP French and AP Human Geo in 9th grade but her level was already high for French and AP Human Geo is one of the easier courses...You can get an idea of which ones are easier from previous threads....
The following year she did AP Eng Lang and AP German...It was the Eng Lang that had her staying up until all hours of the night....Writing essays just isn't that easy for her...
This year she's doing 3...AP Chemistry, AP European History, and AP Calculus block schedule in the second semester (with me)...but normally she's not staying up past 10 pm...She's learned to manage her workload (she still has other courses too, but they are easier). She likes Calculus - so its easy for her. The Euro is hard - she says it just is not intuitive (well....what humans do to one another over the course of time is not necessarily intuitive at one level but to be expected at another)...and for Chemistry - there is really a lot of material to cover...Could she take another one - I'd say 'yes' but not replacing only one credit...but at least one and a half in terms of workload... (she's doing 8 1/2 credits but AP's count only for one credit)...Unlike others in the US, she is not doing a lot of extracurriculars...so can devote a lot of time to studying...
So work up to more and harder ones to get good work habits established first...
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Thank you all for discussing this!
Just thought I'd put in the chapter titles for Calculus AB for anyone else like me...
Limits and their properties
Differentiation
Applications of Differentiation
Integration
Applications of Integration
Logarithmic, Exponential, and other Transcendental Functions
Differential Equations
(optional) Integration techniques...
Joan
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If she is only doing AP Calculus AB, chapters 13 and 14 aren't necessary because those topics go with BC not AB. But, they are necessary for single variable calculus, just not part of the AB curriculum.
Oh, thank you so much!
Joan
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8-11 are not necessary for understanding single variable calculus.
12 may not be, depending on how deep they go.
Thank you regentrude!
I don't know the actual answer to your question, but ALEKS has a course that is specifically a review for calculus.
Thank you too Kai....we don't want to do a whole course just like a mini review of the chapters which regentrude has indicated are part of single variable calculus....Dd looked at a review DVD that goes with Larson but she found it over simplified (it was all in one half hour), so I am still looking around for something like a few hours summary video...I realize this is pretty vague! At least there are already fewer chapters to worry about....
Joan
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We've been having our noses to the grindstone and now dd is just finishing Precalculus (one semester block using Foerster) in preparation for starting AP Calc AB in the next couple of days (for the test in May)...I realize this is a bit late for the question but perhaps it will help others be better prepared...
There's not really any way around it, but it seems she has a B which makes me worry about readiness (or should I not be?)...
But then I wonder what the 'body' of Precalc really is because in the recent past we had some long rabbit trails which turned out to be meaningless. Ie she spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to do problems, for which I couldn't find help in other books. Finally I realized, if it's not in the other Precalculus books, then it's probably not really an important concept/topic (at least for Calculus)! I don't know why this didn't hit me with ds2 who used the same book, but he seemed to adjust better.
Thinking she should at least have the bases covered, she'll do a quick Precalc review at the beginning of Calculus...
To get to the real question - which of all the things she studied are really necessary for Calculus? and are there any free online videos for Precalc review (I'll look at Khan)?
Here is the TC for Foerster 2nd ed ( I found Matoyshka's post about the contents - thank you Matroyshka!)
1. Functions and Mathematical Models
2. Periodic Functions and Right Triangle Problems
3. Applications of Trig and Circular Functions
4. Trig Function Properties, Identities, and Parametric Functions
5. Properties of Combined Sinusoids
6. Triangle Trigonometry
7. Properties of Elementary Functions
8. Fitting Functions to Data
9. Probability and Functions of a Random Variable
10. Three-Dimensional Vectors
11. Matrix Transformations and Fractal Figures
12. Analytic Geometry of Conic Sections and Quadric Surfaces
13. Polar Coordinates, Complex Numbers, and Moving Objects
14. Sequences and Series
15. Polynomial and Rational Functions, Limits, and Derivatives
Thank you for any help!!
Joan
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the love affair with Goethe was short lived when dd ran across a problem this morning and could only get out of the tutor that it's in passive voice which she already knew...Evidently the program doesn't give useful hints though there's a 'help' type of commentator, like the lightbulb feature in WORD...
And I misunderstood, the tutor does not give weekly sessions...Now dd says, oh, OSU was so good for the money!
I speak Spanish and German. I keep hearing Spanish is much more useful that German in the US. Well, it all depends on what type of career you're going to use it for. Human services? Sure, Spanish is more useful. Business? I found German much more useful. I worked in international marketing for various software companies for about a decade. What languages did I need? German and French. Today I'd probably add Japanese and Chinese could be useful. Didn't use my Spanish once. Well, except it was very useful in deciphering French. I can now read computer manuals in French. Woo-hoo.
As a possible post-homeschooling career, I am thinking of going into medical interpreting (among other things). In that case, Spanish is very useful and German fairly worthless.
I can see that about German....Well, at the time I didn't see that and invested in Chinese, but you also think that's useful....I was just reading about a newly elected Greek lady who speaks 5 languages....why is it so difficult for us to master even one extra one???
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Yes, however it would be easy to include a footnote in meeting invitations stating that the conversations may be recorded. It truly depends on what field your child goes into. Some engineering firms would be terrified of information leaking out, but a social work office would love the idea of accurate documentation.
That makes sense...anything that would give away trade secrets would be questionable... Thank you!
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You know, it was so eclectic and just so much a part of normal life ("What movie should we watch? How about Emil und die Detektive?") that it's overwhelming to even think of writing it all down. Someday I should give it a try, though!
I was thinking it would probably be to much to write down...but it would be good for others someday, to know the 'ingredients'...like how often per week at what age, what percent of the day, how much you and dh talked with them in LOE's, how often were the trips to Germany, etc...
We used a lot of different materials over the years, but to point to which ones were most 'efficace', well, it's not always possible...
Ds is just bemoaning that he does't know German and even French better. But then a recent uni grad told me that most uni students have lots of 'fautes d'orthographe'....That one professor says he'll stop correcting a homework assignment if there are more than 5 spelling errors and most students can't arrive at doing that (the homework is optional)...Anyway, ds3 is feeling that all his time spent learning biology, etc was a waste as he has 'forgotten' it all and he wishes the time had gone into languages...He even wanted me to start a thread on the WTM asking people to comment on the usefulness of studying biology! So your family's plan would have pleased him. But at the time we didn't think we were going to stay here and German is not that useful in the US...
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We've had some courses where we just didn't have enough hours in by the end of the school year (eg health, PE, American history), so they rolled the course over to the following year, added more hours and got the credit or half credit at that point.
For math, we've had the case of doing block scheduling in 11th where they do Precalculus in the fall and Calc in the spring...So they get two full credits of math in one school year.
They've also gotten one and a half or two credits of English in a school year and two credits of a science in one year since we're only doing three years of high school with a requirement of 4 credits of English, math and science. So each has to be doubled at some point with the exception of one of the English credits where dd is doing half credits for different courses (Journalism, world lit, British lit and American lit)
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The rules for educational settings are different than speakers in any other setting, as they fall under the Fair Use exemption to copyright law. https://www.lib.purdue.edu/uco/CopyrightBasics/fair_use.html#factors In addition, the ADA further covers protects students with learning challenges.
Obviously, recorded notes are for the student's personal use only, and may not be shared publicly.
Though not legally required in all states, proper etiquette dictates that you notify the professor that you will be recording the lecture, which is easily shared when notifying them of the need for accommodations at the beginning of the semester. Written permission is best legally, so confirm any conversations in writing.
I was just thinking about this pen for one dc whose handwriting has always been, well, tragic...As an adult at meetings though, this would not then be able to be used unless he had permission to record the meeting (just thinking of when he's trying to take notes at a meeting...), right?
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The rules for educational settings are different than speakers in any other setting, as they fall under the Fair Use exemption to copyright law. https://www.lib.purdue.edu/uco/CopyrightBasics/fair_use.html#factors In addition, the ADA further covers protects students with learning challenges.
Obviously, recorded notes are for the student's personal use only, and may not be shared publicly.
Though not legally required in all states, proper etiquette dictates that you notify the professor that you will be recording the lecture, which is easily shared when notifying them of the need for accommodations at the beginning of the semester. Written permission is best legally, so confirm any conversations in writing.
Thank you!
I wonder if it's the same here? One ds told me it wasn't legal but it seems like kids were doing it anyway so maybe there is the same type of exemption...If any internationals are reading this I'm curious about European laws...
A strange application question....
in The College Board
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We'd been deleting them and unsubscribing since I had thought US schools were irrelevant for dd....now I'm sorry about that...Looking for no application fees is a good idea and didn't know before this thread that such situations existed! Thank you!
Multiquote is not working these days for me so I'll have to answer others separately...