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Wow some great feedback!! Not sure I can offer a lot, but we just did this assignment on a very similar topic for our IEW class (my dd is 12 as well.) And we did the research seminar with Andrew Pudewa last month.
Can I ask a couple questions first? Are you teaching her at home or is this part of a class? Have you done the IEW Teaching Writing Structure and Style? Is this your first year doing IEW style writing?
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I agree - say nothing!
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No advice - I understand. I had MIL issues too. But after dh's eyes were opened, he put his foot down. It got so much better after that. It only took him about 7 years.... :glare:
But I wanted to share - My family let go of a lot of things with my grandmother under the mistaken idea that well she's not got much longer to live and we could lose her anytime - that was their entire mentality. She got away with a lot of crap.
I recall 25 years spent that way. She lived to be nearly 100. Do you really want to do deal with this for another 20 years?
And by the time she died, my children didn't like her, and I was relieved. (My kids didn't have the exposure to her like I did - and they didn't hear/know all the excuses and stuff. If someone had just put their foot down, my whole life would have been different. This greatly impacts the kids - no matter how much you try to protect and shelter them. My sisters and I and our cousins really have had to deal with a lot baggage from her. I think this why dh finally dealt with his mom -he saw the issues in my family.)
What ever route you go - it's tough!
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Very normal at first. Sometimes it's confusing as to why they need to do it.
Here is what we do:
Do it together - so much more fun! Write them physically for him. I tell my child if they pick the words I will write them. It helped a lot.
Alone - have him highlight/underline the words and you later write them or have him do it later.
Do it orally - write them on the white board and let him copy them.
When they are doing short pieces it's seems very strange - it's like it's so easy it's hard. When they get further along and are using longer passages, it will make more sense. But it could be the passages are too long so back down to smaller ones. (So basically it could be either to hard or too easy. :tongue_smilie: Try both.)
I have a friend who always says make it fun time - have a smoothie with it. Something to look forward to one once it's done!
And lastly do it yourself! This is great for helping the kids understand it's important. Compete with him for who can do it first/best or whatever would work for him. Sometimes just doing it too helps.
It took us time to get used to it. But once it's mastered it's a great skill!
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No, but I used to be. I didn't realize I wasn't supposed to have an opinion unless I'm part of the club.
You are welcome to have an opinion, but it's not going to be the same as mine. I can see why it's not offensive to you - that's all I was saying. You don't believe it, so there is nothing be take offense to. Just like I wouldn't find it offensive to call Siddhārtha's teachings silly or something like that. Or if I said no importance should be placed on those teachings. That wouldn't bother me, but it could bother someone else.
You are welcome to have and express your opinion, but it's not the same as someone who is a Christian. Does that make sense?
The fact that you claim to "have been" a Christian is just further evidence that you don't understand Christian beliefs.
(Not said to be snarky or unkind - just pointing out that's all.)
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[bold emphasis mine]
Sigh. Alright then.
Two questions and I'm flying off of this topic, promise.
1) What exactly was offensive in my post? Was it the wording used (claiming the importance attributed to professions of faith made by toddlers silly), or the idea expressed (that toddlers cannot make meaningful professions of faith)?
If I simply offered an apology to those of you who found themselves offended, it would be somehow dishonest as I honestly still don't see anything scientifically wrong, morally objectionable or linguistically offensive in anything I wrote. If meantime I do realize you are being right, I'll address that, but now I'd really appreciate if somebody took time and explained to me what was offensive and why. :confused:
2) Regarding the bold part, I have a whole set of questions. Anyone willing to answer (we can make a S/O thread, or do it via PMs so as not to chat this thread)?
I can only speak for myself, but yes it's the wording the part I bolded.
To say what I believe is silly is something I find offensive.
I was a toddler who made a profession of faith. I can't imagine being told that was silly or someone saying that there was no importance attributed to it. It was and still is the most significant day of my life. 3 of my 4 children made professions as toddlers (2 at 3 and 1 at 5.) Again that is a very significant event for us. Huge! I don't think you can comprehend how significant (and that's okay.) To say the single more important day in my life and my children's life is silly and/or unimportant is hurtful/disrespectful. Maybe those are better words than offensive because offensive can mean attack. I don't think you were "attacking" anyone, but it was unpleasant to be told that. Make sense?
Laura may not feel that way. But that's how I feel.
Can I add that really appreciate that conversation is kind?!! Thank you for that. I would be happy to S/O and talk more. I love good kind respectful and challenging conversations about different beliefs and opinions!
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Agree with what's been said - want to comment on the books...
Yes, reading them ahead of time is helpful!! The reason for those seemingly simple books is for discussion purposes. Take a look at Teaching the Classics - he recommends going below their reading level to analyze literature. Good discussion and analyzing come from having a solid grasp on the book.
It's not about their reading level - it's assumed these are below their reading level. Don't let that put you off!
As far as rules, as a parent you can pretty much do whatever you want. You can have some in school and some in CC. A lot of parents, do CC through 8th then put their kids in school. Some have kids in another program. (There are additional rules for directors on this, but as a parent, you can have each in a different program.)
One family in our group has:
DD in College
DS in PS High School
DS in Ch I
DD in CH A
DD is PS
DD is Foundations
DS in preschool
DS in nursery
What you can't do is have them with you during the Foundations day if they are Foundations age. So you can't do CC with 3 and have your 4th say your 9 yr old sit with you in class or even sitting in another room. You will have to make arrangements to have him/her off site. (Younger kids are welcome though.)
You can do an extra year of Foundations if your community is able to accommodate that - talk to the director about the details.
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Well, I can't help you cause we are sold on IEW. I wasn't sure for a long time, but after going through the whole thing with Pudewa in person and using in our home for years. I believe it's the way to go....
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More than a Carpenter by Josh McDowell is one of my favorite books for this. I read this when I was at the age of wondering these things years ago.
People being to doubt the Bible when they think truth is relative and there is no absolute truth. A study in apologetics would be very beneficial for you and dd as well as any other kids.
I agree with using some Answers in Genesis material too. They have great stuff.
I would personally read More than a Carpenter and then start with AIG. And I would go from there and dig into the Bible from a historical stand point and a scientific one.
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No, Laurie, let me get this very straight in case it's not that clear in my original post: the only thing I called silly was the IMPORTANCE ATTRIBUTED to an ACT OF A TODDLER, who probably had no idea what exactly was going on and what are the implications of their act. That's the only thing I said - I wasn't disregarding anyone's religious feelings, including those of a toddler in question.
There are no Christian 3y.o.s in sense of a choice of their position and the accompanying understanding of that choice, only 3y.o.s that are being raised in Christian families, within a Christian mindset, and that might or might not decide that that's their religious stance as well when they grow up a bit.
A symbolic act performed by a child or on a child who maybe did not even agree (e.g. Catholic baptism of newborns) is one thing - and something I fully support as I realize that people are going to offer to their children the kind of upbringing which is in accordance with their worldview. I don't "judge" anything about it. BUT, a conscious decision of one's position is a completely different thing.
I expressed my opinion which is as follows: what OP's (i) daughter is going through is NOT a crisis of faith and should NOT be addressed as a crisis of fatih, because (ii) there was no thought-out choice of a worldview and understanding of its essence and implications in the first place preceding that crisis. We have a child that's being raised in Christian family who is (iii) searching for a meaning in her life, NOT a Christian in a faith crisis. Those are two very, very different things in my opinion, and I think it's potentially counter-effective to address as a crisis of faith something which, essentially, isn't that.
That's all, like I said, I don't expect my opinion to be welcomed at all on these matters; I just thought it might be borderline of an interest to hear what an "outsider" has to say about it. Guess it wasn't. Oh well. :)
Well, as far as I am concerned your opinion is welcomed, but I am not the OP. I love hearing others POV. (And I am not upset or being snarky - I hope that this post doesn't come across that way.)
I have to add that I agree with Laurie your one comment in that post is offensive to Christians.
I didn't find her post the least bit offensive. I agree that no three-year-old would be able to make a decision like that. They may go through the motions, but they don't have the self-awareness and the understanding necessary to really grasp what something like that means. A three-year-old wouldn't even be able to read the bible, so how are they going to make a permanent life change based on it, other than through the filter of mommy and daddy?You aren't a Christian therefore it makes perfect sense that wasn't offensive.
On this point Ester Maria, you are incorrect when it comes to Christianity. You may believe that but it doesn't line up with Christian belief. You can defend this POV, but from a Christian stand point it's incorrect and offensive. The fact of matter is Christians believe that children can and do make a profession of faith that is as real and valid as an adults. Whether you agree or disagree doesn't matter because it's not what Christians believe to being with. So a Christian would take the approach that this is a crisis of faith.
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I think many people misunderstand what classical education is completely. In our family, it gives us such joy! We love learning. (It's not always fun.)
Personally, I am always shocked to hear that people hate it or their kids can't do it. I honestly have never met anyone who can't do it. I truly believe it's an approach anyone can use. (I have met people who don't want to. Which is fine. But the basic method can be modified and adapted to anyone.) I think if more people understood it they wouldn't hate it. It's incredible and lots of fun!
Sometimes people say "classical" when they mean rigorous. They aren't the same thing. They often go hand in hand. But you can have either alone.
Or when they mean chronological history which again isn't the definition of a classical education. Only my oldest gets it start to finish - rest well they just jump in where they are. These often go hand in hand but classical education is more than chronological history, and it doesn't require chronological history.
Classical education is so much more....
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I imagine cleaning up the boards - removing old posts and such would help.
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Oh yes I was totally against it.
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I wonder how people can deal with artificial fragrances :ack2: I have to hold my breath on the rare occasions I venture into the laundry aisle of the supermarket!
I don't love vinegar smell but it doesn't hang around long so I deal with it.
Rosie
I hate the smell of vinegar, but I can't go down the detergent isle either.
My best friend makes an awesome cleaner with borax, tea tree oil, lavender oil, peppermint oil (just for the smell), and some kind of peroxide powder. It isn't poison and it isn't vinegar.Well that's not exactly true - borax isn't as safe as vinegar. It can't be consumed by animals or children.
I used to not like it but have gotten over it. have you tried adding a drop of essential oil?Same here - I just got used to it and it doesn't make me gag anymore.
Are you using it full strength? I use mine with half water. I don't mind the smell so much. It reminds me of salt-and-vinegar potato chips which were always my favorite! LOL The smell is really offensive to my husband though so I have to use it when he's not home.I always cut it with water.
LOL! I know - tea tree oil is great stuff thoughNow tea tree oil--mmm---the smell of turpentine! I use both vinegar and tea tree oil for various things, but I don't like the smell of either!
This really helps!My friend adds peppermint essential oil to her products for its smell covering properties. -
It's only a few cards moved. Originally, CC had it done the VP way. But when doing the chronology - it was glaringly obvious it's not chronological. VP is chronological and geographical.
We do VP - classes and all, but we do the chronology the CC way. It is actually very easy to mesh the 2 because the timeline moves so fast in CC that it really doesn't matter what order you study it in. Leigh has a great article about that you can read. (We are in year 5 of doing it this way! We love both resources and companies!)
Honestly, the VP songs aren't that good of a memory tool - they are too wordy. I like the pure chronology myself. I prefer not having a song with it - chanting is a better memory technique.
It wouldn't surprise me to see CC replace the VP cards in the future with a different one. But I can't image it would be soon.
And VP wasn't a school until very recently. They were and are a curriculum company. Their school began very recently. Their materials have been used by schools - by schools the owners began even. But they weren't a school. They now have their wonderful online classes that use their curriculum.
On the subject of the online self paced class, is it worth the $$. I have seen it. I am intrigued by it but I have some concerns. We take the live class and the discussion is such a huge part of it. I wonder if the self paced is as good as the live. And I wonder if it's worth the $$.
I would love to get your feedback - we are trying to decide what to do next year.
The first concern I have is I have a child who would see it as a game and just keep clicking the screen without learning anything. That's what she does with all our online things like that. Is it more than fill in the blanks and mult choice that I saw? I worry she will just figure out how to work around the compute without learning it - she has succeed in doing this already with other things even me!
My second one is - is there any discussion/questions/accountability on the books? Or is it just reading suggestions. I see it said optional - so I assume not.
And I worry that it's too entertaining. It seems to me more like a game than a class. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
And finally is it really a classical approach? (Okay I know things don't have to be classical to work or be good, but I really want to stick with a classical approach. And I can't help but wonder.)
I just am not sure if it's worth the money for what they will see as just a game. Any more insight you can give would be very helpful. I am hesitant to spend $ on it and then not like it. Although the parts we did do were fun, I am not sure it's what I want for a class. KWIM? Maybe it's better for younger kids? Or maybe for older kids? I should call and find out about the levels.
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But you know if they heard from more folks who aren't a fan maybe they would make some changes.... Yes there are kids who love them, but then there are those who don't. There is nothing wrong with speaking up and trying to help improve things.
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Yes, I am in GVA's state. Our CC is one of the older ones in the state, so we have had some time to grow our Challenge program.
Our IV will be new for 2010/2011. We are one of two communities here with A-III this year. (Also very disappointed that Ch III director is stepping down - he was driving an hour and half to tutor Ch III up there. I am sure there will be another one to replace him.)
I believe that the person teaching Spanish is a native speaker. I could be mistaken. I can't recall exactly how all that ended up - we have 2 people who can do the Spanish.
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You should read the Bluedorn's book Teaching the Trivium. They support delaying formal education. I haven't read it in ages, but they talk about delaying until they student is older. That may be the approach your child needs.
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What would you do if they were behaving this way with a friend instead of a sibling?
We don't allow it at all. Period. The consequences vary, but there is always one. We are teaching our children that they have to get along. Period. It does pop up from time to time, but we don't allow it.
It was allowed when I was a child, and I hated it. I hated the constant fighting among us kids.
There are consequences on both sides - the instigator and victim.
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At our CC we have childcare, and as a tutor, it would pay for tuition, child care, books and then some.
But sure you can do it at home.
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Susan Wise Bauer
Yep
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They go on sale from time to time! I paid $19 for mine on sale! I love it!!
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Well a little late...but have II and III this year - IV coming next year.
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We will have Foundations, Essentials, Challenge A, B, I, II, III, and IV.
I am directing Foundations and Essentials.
Help with this singlemom's decision, Please.
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Exactly what I was thinking about the $. I agree about the HIPPA and have the same question about the conference.