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12 minutes ago, Arcadia said:
In my friends’ cases, long term potential income was the main factor. Some are from old wealth and already have the prestige and respect even if they don’t work.
For the younger healthcare staff that I interact with during my medical appointments, it is also about job stability because healthcare always have a staff shortage. My former oncologist was tired of the bureaucracy and went to work for a much smaller healthcaregroup. He doesn’t need to worry about being retrenched and taking more than a year to land a new job.Makes sense.
What I find interesting though is medicine was so male dominated and also very condescending towards women. Basically women were only good for nursing and attitudes and work environment weren’t good for women. Yet we managed to completely hold our noises and not just break into the field but dominate.
This success is not being replicated in engineering despite many efforts.
I will say one of the reasons we eliminated Rose Hulman from consideration was their male/female ratio. I wanted my boy to have a fighting chance of finding a girlfriend.
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36 minutes ago, Arcadia said:
People in my region still believes medical specialists are paid more than typical engineerings so pre-med is still favored for their daughters. My engineering school ex-schoolmates’ daughters are flocking to medical school or law school primarily because it pays more than a typical engineer.
And not just money. Prestige and respect factor in I think as well.
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1 hour ago, ScoutTN said:
My female friends (in their 50’s) who are engineers had to choose between staying in their career full time or staying home with kids. There were no part time or flexible options in their disciplines, in their locations. If this is still true, it surely has an impact on overall numbers.
I walked out because there was no part time option too. Not an engineer. I do wonder though if things changed overall because back in my day most well paid corporate jobs didn’t have part time options. In fact the only people we knew who could do that were doctors who owned their own practices.
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36 minutes ago, EKS said:
60% is extremely common.
And that gap is increasing overall. It’s extremely concerning for many reasons. If the gap were reversing and worsening for girls, people would be screaming bloody murder and rightfully so.
The gap in engineering seems to be 75% in favor of boys. Stubbornly consistent. And yes, within the department there are differences. I will say that CS culture is so toxic that it turned my programming loving boy away. But it’s very Bay Area toxic.
Math/physics has no such vibe it seems at the university. Although my boy says it’s very racially segregated. Most girls are of East Asian descent.
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48 minutes ago, freesia said:
But was there a place you could have done similar work on a part time basis? Is that still true?
No.
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If women are going to dominate medical field and if we prefer to work part time, then we need to really massively increase the number of residency spots and medical school spots in this country. What we have now doesn’t seem to factor in part time work. It’s already hard to get appointments locally.
I will say that most jobs are not that friendly to part time work. I was expected to be in the office and put in more than 8 hours per day. I wasn’t in the male dominated profession. In fact most of us in the office were women.
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13 minutes ago, freesia said:
I think there needs to be a shift in making engineering as a job more family friendly. We used to live in an area with lots of engineers and it was definitely not the type of environment that would be easy to bear children and have small children ( if you wanted to ever see them.). If the work culture becomes more flexible, I would imagine it would attract more women.
I think that is true of most high paying professions. Medicine for sure as well. Women are still flocking to it.
I think it’s ok to study what one is finding interesting. Couldn’t pay me enough to be an engineer.
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8 minutes ago, EKS said:
I don't understand why people are so focused on getting females into engineering. It's obvious, and it's been shown over and over scientifically, that they (as a group) prefer other things.
Susan Pinker's book The Sexual Paradox talks about this in detail. It is excellent and I highly recommend it to anyone who is interested in this issue.
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Women in physics and CS is huge. Red carpet if you are willing to try. I think employers are struggling to hire in that field and pressure is there to show equality. So first you have to produce female engineers before you hire them. I think that’s the obsession. I mean nobody cares at all if other fields are female dominated. Nobody ever bothers to change that ratio or is bothered by imbalance.
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UCLA I believe is 60% female overall but despite very heavy emphasis on trying to get girls into physics/engineering, girls are mostly flocking to the pre-med track. I don’t know male to female ratio exactly in engineering there, but my boy tells me physics is heavily male dominated. And so is engineering. My guess is biomes will be balanced because it’s a med school feeder program.
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We didn’t label anything honors either. However, my DS had so many AP courses and DE courses that his transcript didn’t need any more boost. AP courses were supported by scores and DE was supported by outside grades. All courses taught at home and even Great Books by CLRC were “normal” on transcript for the sake of consistency.
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14 hours ago, cintinative said:
I don't know if this will help anyone, but I saw it linked.
This so so very helpful.
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I think contemporary books have simpler language. Thank you for recommendations. I am going to dig around those titles.
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What would be the next step up from Magic Treehouse books? I am teaching an ESL kid and would like recommendtions for children's literature that would be a managable step up from this series. I don't want anything old fashioned and prefer modern books with simplified language. It's for a boy if that makes a difference. I am looking at Charlotte's Web, but I think that's a bigger jump that he can make right now.
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26 minutes ago, freesia said:
There are some changes. The questions are less wordy for one thing. I know I’ve seen write ups on line about the changes. I would have him work through the practice tests on the College Board Blue book app. You can go over what you miss.
Im interested to hear how it goes. We had a system that really worked for the paper SAT. Now I’m starting over with a kid who isn’t likely to score as high as her sibs—but I need to prep her as high as she can get for scholarships. Sigh
My older kid didn’t need to prep to get a near perfect score either. This kid though is a different story. I have old paper exams I am thinking to have him work though those for grammar and math. We will download blue book. Is there anything else out there do you know?
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I have a kid who plans on taking this in March. He hasn’t but needs to study for it. I know the reading section is different. What about math? Is there any substantial difference in the math section or can he review with paper SAT math questions?
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We didn’t have to enter anything either. It was over in one minute. A piece of cake compared to the financial colonoscopy CSS profile puts you through and then asks you to pay for the abuse.
I was worried I messed up fafsa because it asks virtually nothing.
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What a mess. We filed without any issues but have heard nothing.
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12 hours ago, Arcadia said:
DS19 gets to experience his first earthquake at his college 😆His dorm building shook. He had experience earthquakes many times so he was just amused.
I was on the phone with my friend down in Pasadena and they felt it too!
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Drama of American History. Christopher Collier.
they are wonderful series of books written for middle schoolers. I have bought them inexpensive on Amazon and own the entire set. My kids still pick them up and read them.-
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The problem that we found with Bluetent English was the way the classes were set up - too many moving parts. It seemed that you had to do 30 (exaggerating here) different tasks in 30 different places. It didn’t work with any brains in our house. It wasn’t even the amount of work. It’s how it was structured that we didn’t like. But it was a long time ago. I don’t know if things have changed.
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4 hours ago, Porridge said:
@Roadrunner, did you DS end up taking AP Lang? If so, with which provider? How was the experience? I'm looking at Serbicki vs Inspektor's classes for 2024-25.
He didn’t take AP Language. We decided on Inspektor’s class given the reviews but then abandoned the idea of AP altogether.
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Mine is really thriving. Straight A’s. More sure of his major. “Mind blowing” is how he describes almost every physics class. Amazing faculty and the department. Only thing he despises is general Ed - dumb, massive classes, dumb again. Otherwise we couldn’t be happier. He is back on campus really engaged.
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27 minutes ago, teachermom2834 said:
My dd’s high school has some of these electives with interesting titles but I admit my gut reaction to them isn’t “oh that sounds like a great class” but rather that those are easy classes for the non AP track kids. It never occurred to me my dd would enroll in any of those classes because she is on the AP track where the good teachers and classes are. But maybe I’m wrong. That is just my bias and gut reaction.
As with anything I’m sure there are places where those are amazing interesting classes and others where they are not.
Many privates eliminates all APs here outside of math and science. So they have required English and survey history courses but for those kids interested in history electives, they have those extra courses. It’s not uncommon for kids to be taking two sets of history classes just the same as it’s not uncommon to see stem kids taking two sets of science ones (say AP bio and marine bio, or AP Physics and engineering….)
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Are engineering programs still male dominated?
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@Arcadiafunny. Are you telling me it’s only a problem in this country? 😂
I read somewhere that more restrictive the society, less gender imbalance in engineering. I can’t remember if it was Saudi Arabia or another country equally misogynistic towards woman that had a stronger female presence in those fields than the freest ones like in Northern Europe.