*Lulu*
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Maybe I need a drink to understand the connection between SSM and assaulting an officer.
So far all I've got is that they are both signs of the decline of our country into anarchy, moral bankruptcy, and that the good old days are always better?
What am I missing?
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(((Ellen)))
I am glad to hear that things are heading in a positive direction.
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And a cop who was entering the home on a domestic violence call, from what I'm reading.
I'm really having trouble getting my brain around this one. From what I can see, the cops were called because a guy is involved in some kind of domestic abuse situation with his partner. The guy tries to tell the cop not to come in, the cop comes in anyway because domestic abuse, the guy assaults the cop... and people are defending the abuser?
Yeah, I feel like I'm missing something on this too.
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Which is why we count every person as one during census taking instead of some people only being 3/5ths of a person.The "redefinition" is now part of public policy.
And as a society, we can redefine whatever we choose.
The founders of our country were not infallible. They were not saints.
Shame on us as a society if we marginalize or mistreat a group of people with the weak justification that "that is how it has always been".
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It would depend on the duties and responsibilities of the office. If they've got responsibilities between meetings (like keeping records, writing minutes, correspondence, etc) between meetings that wouldn't work. If there are long-term projects than need oversight by the officers, then it likewise wouldn't work. But, if they're just doing specific tasks during the meetings, then it would be a great idea as a way to train more kids for leadership.
That is my thought as well.
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I love the look of it, but my favorite part is the meticulous planning of the menu.
:P
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We "ditched" parameters as society progresses. Another way to see that is as extending civil rights.
Scriptural understanding is irrelevant in secular law.
It's the anger, frustration, or grief over the extension of civil rights that really bothers me.
Truth.
The only way a pluralistic society functions without turning into a theocracy or becoming a majority rule situation is for all people groups to have equal standing in the law.
The only way, as a Christian, my right to practice my faith is secure is if everyone else has the same legal right as I do.
I do not want the government telling the UMC, of which I am a member, that we must perform marriages between any two people. Now I am fully in favor of the UMC changing the discipline to allow same sex unions. I attend a UMC community that affirms and embraces same sex couples/families/people, SSM, and is ready for the larger UMC to make that change.
But as a church body who wishes to perform SSM for our members, why does the government have the right to tell us no? Why should the right to practice our faith be less protected under the law than the right of the church that does not want to affirm SSM?
Short answer: it shouldn't.
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You know, because we have been around that mountain a few times.
There have always been parameters on marriage. You could never marry the "person of your choice" IF said person was a close relative, too young, mentally incompetent, wrong gender, or more than one person, or not a person at all (like your cat).
Marriage has always been defined and the common definition was held by all, and understood throughout history, and most definitely American history. No one had to describe what one meant by one's spouse. It was blatantly obvious due to our shared cultural understanding that the person that young woman over there was married to would be one man who is not mentally incompetent, not her close relative, and not under age.
Now we have ditched one of the parameters, and one which makes it conflict with all historical precedent and scriptural understanding.
You know this, from your background, if nothing else.
And more than once it has been pointed out that, in the tiny blip of history since the first European stepped foot on North American soil, in America marriages have been:
Betwen multiple parties in both Native American and Mormon groups
Between men and girls as young as 13 in all social groups
Between first cousins
Between parties with limited ability to consent
Restricted by racial lines
Just because "everybody" has accepted the cultural norms surrounding marriage in the past 50 years or so doesn't mean that marriage has always been or will always be that.
You don't have to like it.
But it is disingenuous to discuss marriage as if it is a static concept.
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(((MedicMom)))
I'm hoping the weekend brings healthier children, potty peace, and rest for a momma who needs it.
As the momma of two boys with HFA, the solar flare shelter made me laugh. The things that catch thier attention and imagination never ceases to amaze me!
And to the insurance company: death by a million papercuts!
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I have formed the opinion that online content should ALWAYS have two sets of eyes before posting. Not forum posts, but blog and business/organization social posts need to be double checked. Autocorrect and spell check can make for some strange mistakes.
My husband has a gig with a news organization and the number of grammatical errors that make it onto their website makes me crazy.
ETA- DH is not the one making the mistakes. Smart man that he is, he allows me to proof all of his posts!
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You are expressing your condescension yet again.
Really, give it up.
No one was ever denied any rights, as you well know. There was simply a redefinition of a age-old construct to mean something new.
It is the CHRISTIAN community. C H R I S T I A N.
If you think what is going on is not complete to be expected, you must never have actually read your Bible in your Catholic days.
Really, you aren't fooling anyone with that "I can't type that many letters and need to use a shortcut for "Christian"" BS.
Serious question:
What do you say to Christians who believe same sex marriage to be just and homosexuality not a sin?
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It'll be interesting to see what happens Friday or whenever she goes back to work. More drama, I'm sure.
That is like saying I think the sun will set in the west today; I wouldn't place bets against it.
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My in-laws are from Kentucky, and fairly involved in their city and county governments. It seems like the system favors the employee, as every single case I can think of (even a couple massively ridiculous ones) have come out in the employee's favor.
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I saw an article saying at least one of the deputy clerks said he will continue issuing licenses no matter what Kim Davis says when she returns to work. I suppose she could fire him to stop him. Or try to anyway.
I would also like to see this thread stay open.
I would imagine the county would end up with a wrongful termination suit if she did that. I'm not sure they can afford the cost of settling that sort of case.
I mean, how do you justify firing someone for following the court's orders?
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Kim Davis doesn't know the law? Shocked, I say I am SHOCKED!
Maybe the candidate-who-shall-not-be-named explained things to her today?
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I don't find it charming. I find it ridiculous. As if I'm a piece of property or something. I have my own name.
The context matters to me, a wedding invitation worded that way wouldn't bother me at all, a letter from a business on the other hand would irritate me. If you are doing business with me, address ME.
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This thread is full of great information and encouragement; I am saving it to read on those "OMG kids" days. (So...every other day ;) )
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That is both hilarious and awesome!
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And it's corollary "Never underestimate the stupidity of your fellow man".
This has served me incredibly well in my professional career, sad as that is to say.
And this group is seriously calling for a county sheriff to arrest a *federal judge*?!? Oh, my. This ought to serve as a national wake-up call for the need for good (or, heck, even OK) civics lessons for all citizens. Sheesh.
No joke.
If your understanding of government is primarily through the explanations of news anchors, political/religious group leaders, or talk radio you probably have more than one wrong piece of information.
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When I know we are going to be swimming a lot I carry plastic clothes pins to fasten the suits across the towel bar or shower curtain rod. When they aren't bunched up together I find the suits dry quickly.
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Others said it better than I.
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And for some of us, we believe that God has not labeled it sin. Some of us serve and worship and pray along side men and women who are as family to us. They are Christians who are as passionate about serving God as any, and they happen to be gay.That's patronizing and uncalled for.
And no, for some of us it is not going to be OK. We are grieving that our country is normalizing something that God has labeled sin, and in essence, saying that humanity is wiser than He is. You may not understand it, and I'm OK with that, but for some of us, that's our bottom line.
I am excited to live in a day when my brothers and sisters in Christ can express their faith as freely and fully as my husband and I express ours.
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So I was expecting Westboro Baptist Church to get involved. I admit to being surprised the side they ended up on.
I was shocked as well...
Until I realized that they would never have gotten much press by saying they agreed with Ms. Davis.
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KY clerk refuses to issue marriage licenses
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My guess is she will do whatever her advisors have determined will keep media attention on her "plight and persecution".