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  1. It wouldn't even have occured to me to report them.

     

    Me either... I understand someone being concerned about something like that, but in my opinion, unless the children are showing signs of physical abuse, I feel it isn't appropriate to get involved. I would perhaps maybe invite the family to participate in some kind of weekly learning day as has been previously mentioned by other posters. It kind of irritates me that people feel the need to over rule what other parents believe is best for their family. It's true, those kids will need some sort of education to survive in the world. I mean, even if they only work fast food or walmart, they have to know how to count money, etc. From personal experience, some old neighbors (teamed up with a disgruntled adopted child) decided to file false allegations against my husband and I for educational neglect and a whole bunch of other lies in an attempt to gain my children as foster children and make money. The CPS agent that came over asked to see proof that we are homeschooling in the form of curriculum that I have. I pulled it all out- 3 stacks 3 feet high of workbooks and other textbooks. Then they went down stairs and saw our education room with maps, computers, etc. She laughed and said there is no doubt that there is no basis for the accusation. Now, I have 5 adopted RAD kids and 4 other children. I have unschooled most of their lives and wish I had been able to pull myself out of the severe depression I was in to do something different, but I also have learned a lot since then. Over the years, I actually only had one other homeschooling mom make a comment about the way my children learned. However, are my children "up to grade level"? Probably not. In fact, I'm sure they're not. Im sure what we do is vastly different than most homeschoolers. I have spent hours and hours preparing schoolwork for my children, only to have my RAD kids flat refuse to do it. They sit there and stare into space and/or draw on the worksheets. So they have had to learn what they need in real life. My other children however have their GED and are attending college. One of which is only 16. They also have access to everything they need to gain "book smarts" in my house. They wouldnt even have to go to the library if they didnt want to. I think the bottom line is that there is more than one way to learn and at some point children have to take responsibility for their education. If those teens don't know how to read, my question would be to those teens, "would you like to learn to read?" And if they dont, then my next question is why not? I think the teens should understand that they will need to support themselves one day and they will need a way to do that. To the OP: Are you close enough to the family that you could ask the parents how they are preparing the teens for the world?

    It's a shame that people have to judge based on the little bit of knowledge they have.

  2. That said, in my house growing up, the big dinner night was Christmas Eve. CHristmas Day was for unwrapping and laziness, often with leftovers or similar for dinner. We've made it about going out for Chinese and to the movies. It's the one time of the year we do sit-down Chinese (rather than take-away) and we get a Pu-Pu platter which the kids love (that little sterno flame is exciting!).

     

    LOVE THIS!!!

  3. Thanks Faith. I look forward to seeing the list. :001_smile:

    
    

     

    Okay everyone, I'd be happy to put together a list tomorrow. I'll do it while ds is working on his science test and post it sometime tomorrow afternoon.

     

    I'll put it in a new thread, something such as "Music list for music therapy" so that you will all be able to find it. If you want to P.M. me, I'll be able to send the list to you personally late Tuesday evening after dh and I get done doing the church treasurer stuff.

     

    I haven't gotten to do any music therapy for quite a while. Since we've moved, homeschooling and our house renovation have completely consumed me along with MIL moving to the area and our science pursuits with 4-H. I'm actually quite excited to have a brief outlet for that part of my personality. My non-traditional music students/clients were my all-time favorite punkins. My normies just weren't challenging enough!

     

    Anyway, I'll get it too you as soon as I can. Also, if anyone is interested, I can also make up a list of other music therapies besides just the listening/calming basics. I used to do some really unusual things that included kids being stripped down to their skivvies, placed stomach down on a coconut or almond oiled smooth board (shower boards were my favorite), in the dark with very, very little ambient light, and played soft music to them (it's a beautiful thing to allow your fingers to float over the keys while playing Debussey in the dark - Claire deLune being my favorite). The board was usually placed under the soundboard of the piano so the child could feel the vibrations of the piano through the floor and move effortlessly on the board while the music helped control respiration and heart rate. It was a regression to the womb exercise for reprogramming the brain. We kept soft ear phones on the child while I played so that the sound was muted - as close to hearing through water and dense tissue as possible. Sometimes the mom would give the child a soft massage during that time. It was pure bonding time and removed all distractions from the child (sight being the big distractor) while allowing the brain to have a fleeting feel of being a baby again in the care of mommy's warm body. At times, mom and child would lay chest to chest. It can be considered controversial with an older child because of laws concerning booK to child contact (topless) and so I never recommended the chest to chest part with a child over three years of age - though I think it could have been effective. But, I have to say that it seemed to be a excellent re-programming tool for bonding.

     

    Oh, and just so you know, I am not a licensed music therapist. I happened into it by circumstance. In our area, one would have to travel a 100 miles south to find a licensed music therapist and they charge around $100.00 an hr. not billable to medical insurance or the state for foster care. Some foster parents could pay it out of the per diem if they could manage the travel. But, most of the time it was out of the question. Additionally, music therapy isn't just used for emotional issues. Visual re-training is another facet and many opthalmologists would recommend it for certain conditions, but again, no one practiced in our area. I was known as the "innovative, creative" music teacher in the county and was approached by a parent with a severely ADHD child about trying something, anything. I dove in with both feet, did a boatload of research, and gave it a whirl. He and I loved each other immensely and I was able to help him a bit. This lead to that parent telling some parents of aspies and well, many on the spectrum. That's how my autistic children came to me. Then FAS/FAE was next - by far my most challenging because so many of them had short-term memory fritzes and yet high enough IQ to really be able to learn to play an instrument and the desire to do so - crazy challenging, followed by RAD, followed bi-polar, followed by an 8 year old with schizophrenia (well, that was the best diagnosis they could get - schizophrenia in a child so young being considered a controversial finding), followed by my spina bifida student, and then several kids with visual processing disorders - eyes that didn't track properly and made reading very, very difficult. All of these conditions, I had to research and learn what worked by trial and error because there wasn't a licensed practitioner around.

     

    So, please understand. Given the number of years that I had a very active music studio full of "therapy kids" and the amount of research I did, I definitely practiced "music therapy". But, I only charged a piddly rate - essentially what I charged my regular music students per hr. because I wasn't an "expert" in the licensing sense of the word and many of my parents were pretty desperate and low on funds. For all that I may have helped my kiddoes, I am pretty certain that in the end they blessed me much more for having the opportunity to know them, learn about them, and love them, than I ever blessed them. It was one of the most extraordinary periods of my life.

     

    That's my disclaimer. Don't get involved with anything I suggest if you want the Ph.D behind it. All I have to offer is a B.A. in piano performance and music ed backed with a lot of years of adventurous experiences with extra special children and their desperate parents to go with it.

     

    Faith

  4. considering the abuse in the family home - most foster homes would be better than the williams.

     

     

     

    here, you worked so hard - have some ice cream. boy you had a bad day, have some cake. or whatever the latest "here have some food to celebrate" with. there are many reasons people develop an unhealthy relationship with food. I will not take away nutritious food from a hungry child (ice cream, sure. they can eat something healthy first). In regards to forcing a child to miss a meal as punishment not being abuse - well, there are degree's to everything.

     

     

     

    fasting with a purpose (e.g. developing a closer relationship with God) can help to focus attention on something higher than ourself, and it truely is no longer about food. (and there was one study finding that it's actually healthy for the GI to get cleared out occasionally) fasting because we're encouraged to skip a couple meal's once a month with no other purpose in sight but skipping meals is only starving ourselves and serves no useful purpose.

     

     

    I would agree that SOME foster care homes are probably better than the Williams home. However, with my adopted son, he was not molested prior to foster care so.... See, my 5 adopted children were separated and placed into 3 foster homes. Only one of those was a descent home.

    The degrees I think is something thats not even considered. Sometimes what is abuse and whats not is obvious. Is a child really starving after having breakfast, lunch and snacks, but is sent to bed without dinner? And as far as fasting goes, I doubt a child really grips the idea of skipping a meal making you "closer to god". I dont doubt that it may be healthy for your GI to skip a meal once in a while, all the more making the question of is a skipped meal abusive? I still say no.

  5. I started a granny square blanket once. I liked doing it but then I got a little grumbly about having to sew all those squares together and stopped. Here is a pattern that I love and is super easy!! http://www.lionbrand.com/patterns/90317.html?noImages=

    It works up quickly and its cute. Its fun to see what kind of color combinations you can come up with. Have fun! :001_smile:

  6. I know a sweet woman who has gone through some RAD training. She's hoping to foster/adopt soon. The training truly doesn't prepare anyone for the REAL LIFE issues that the family will endure. She is probably like I was, thinking that my outpouring of love would be enough. :glare:

     

    I know I've spoken numerous times about the struggles my RAD kid has had, and the hell our family has been through. I hope I've also let it be known that with all the resources out there (online support groups, tele-counseling, books, TONS of books, the internet) that I've been able to help my dd tremendously. She's SO MUCH BETTER, but it's still hard when she hits the rough spots.

    Yeah, I remember saying to my husband before we got them that we had enough love to go around. LOL And I had never even heard of RAD. I just think it would have been nice to know ahead of time. It's not like real life, but it would have been nice to know.

     

  7. :grouphug::grouphug::grouphug: I'm so sorry for you, my friend.

     

    I also want to point out that adopted kids can make the bio kids suffer with nothing physical involved at all.

     

    :grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

     

    Thanks Denise.... and yeah I didnt even mention the other ways bio kids are effected aside from possible physical abuse. Its just a sad situation all around.

    But thanks. Hope things are going better for you and your family. :001_smile:

  8. I totally agree with that last post of Pamela's. What happens is that adoptive parents end up being judged when they are dealing with attachment issues. Because of this (not saying it's right), they often don't seek out help for fear of being judged. A child with attachment issues will not bend to discipline like most biological children will. EDUCATION before adoption is essential! I'd lobe it if *everyone* was well versed in this issues so people could come alongside of adoptive parents and encourage them to keep loving when it's hard, to keep hugging when they are rejected, to keep giving the child positive reinforcement so that eventually the can bond and trust, etc. Instead, they usually receive judgement, and in turn this can make some parents MORE bitter, more resentful, and begin to simply dislike their children for "disrupting" their family as they knew it. It happens all the time. Not justifying it, just explaining some of the dynamics. Come along side an adoptive or foster parent if you know one. It's likely they are dealing with difficult things they aren't sharing with other people. As a community, we can help these children. I font think anyone (or certainly not most people) go into adoption trying to harm children. But take uneducated, rigid parents in with some children that were coming out of difficult situations as older children - it CAN turn out tragic. Something must be done. I believe it starts with education - before adoption, after adoption, for the community, therapists, social workers, etc.

     

    :iagree::iagree::iagree:

  9. I don't think Denise is justifying their behavior or saying, "look what she did to this family." I think she's explaining what it's like to live with a child with RAD. It's very complex and few people understand it and few are trained in it. Throw a child with attachment issues (very likely at her age) into a family with strict, rigid discipline measures and it's a recipe for disaster. The parents often don't pursue help because the child's behavior is brushed off. They act differently when others are around and truly do target the mother. Not a justification of what was done to her - at all - just the truth. It's very hard. We, as a culture, need to be more open about RAD and more supportive of adoptive families' struggles - even if you don't see it with your own eyes, it doesn't mean it's not there. People need to educate themselves before adopting. RAD can happen even in infants.

     

    She was beautiful. I read the affidavit. Horrifying. :(

     

    thank you so much for saying this. I appreciate you pointing out these things about RAD children. And yes, it can occur in infants too. We adopted a sibling group of 5, all RAD effected. The youngest was 10 months when we got him. We thought the neglect they suffered wouldnt effect him. Wow, were we surprised and sadly so. Alot of people try to compare non RAD kids to RAD kids. You really just cant. The is no comparison, and because of the drastic differences in behavior and emotions, you cant know what its like to try and parent a RAD child if you never had. My husband and I have had SO many people look at our RAD effected children and say how they cant believe that child would cause an ounce of trouble. They are THAT different around other people. And they do target the mom. My own husband doubted the things I woukd tell him went on while he was at work. It wasnt until he was unemployed for almost 3 years that he realized. Once We went to our "religious leader" for advice, and he really could not even fathom the behavior we were describing because it is that much different. But really thats not the point of this thread. What happened to that girl is horrific and certainly, Denise is not saying that Hana had RAD and deserved whatever punishment she got. I'm definitely not saying that either.

  10. I don't think it was the kids buying into the parent's rationalizations. My RAD dd always pretends not to know how to do her school work, pretends to fall (for attention), pretends to be sick, sad, etc. She once cried over her phonics pages for an entire week and then completed them in 10 minutes so she could play with her friend. Things like that regularly happened. I can easily see that those kids probably did pretend not to know signing or other things. I also know RAD kids do purposely pee/poo their pants and make it seem like an accident. They purposefully try to push their parent's buttons in any way they can, especially the mothers. (purposefully touching the walls in the bathroom, knowing she has a contagious disease) They do steal and hoard food, even eating until they throw up. If the parents had read about that, maybe they would have been more kind with the food issue. They mad it worse. Many of these things my RAD dd does. She keeps me on my toes for sure, but I've learned that. I think this family probably never did any reading on their child's disorder so they didn't understand what was going on. They CLEARLY didn't read about therapeutic parenting to help their children, either. Those kids didn't stand a chance in that family.

     

    The true problem with this and many adoptions we read about in the news is that families truly aren't prepared for the extreme behaviors a RAD child brings with them. If I had been prepared properly, I would have done things differently from day one. And I wouldn't have had to search for answers in all the wrong places, wasting precious years that needed to be dealt with differently to allow healing to take place. (I didn't hold/cuddle dd much because she hated touch so much she would cry. I would allow her to turn her back to me in my lap, because she was more comfortable that way - it was less threatening. Most importantly, I would have known that ALL needs needed to be met by mom ALONE. Instead my 3 kids and dh all helped with her. I made so many mistakes, not knowing they were mistakes.)

     

    We have worked through so many of dd's issues, and she's so much better than she's ever been. But it was a TON of work, and not many people I know could have ever done it. Those parents clearly resented the work the physical challenges brought, so I think it's safe to assume they never read up on their kid's issues to try to help them. It's very difficult parenting traumatized RAD kids, but they certainly can be made worse by the abusive parenting these kids had to suffer through.

     

    So sad.

     

    I've never read a Pearl book and I never will. I think all those books should be taken off the shelves. I can't believe people still buy them.

     

    :iagree:

    Very well said Denise!!

  11. I'm sorry your adoptive son cause so much pain - but it's not just foster care, and they don't have to have been absued themselves to cause trouble. My niece was repeatedly raped by her 15 yo bio-cousin who had always lived with his bio-parents (both of whom are psychologists) - he had not been sexually abused, his parents (and the grandparents) just made excuses for him and blamed neice. (and lived in a rural farming area where the legal system was less than helpful.)

     

    I do have to disagree about taking meals away from a child - even if they've had two meals that day, is not a healthy thing. it makes food a weapon, and sets up a horrible relationship with food. a child missing a meal because they refuse to eat (baring food sensitivities that they physically can't eat whats being served) and you don't want to be a short order cook is entirely different.

    Thanks. I do realize that trouble doesnt only emerge from children in foster care. I just thought it was EXTREMELY ironic for someone to say they hoped a child would learn healthy familial habits while in foster care. Im so sorry about what happened with your niece! Thats just horrible!

    This may sound ignorant of me but I never considered sending a child to bed without supper occasionally something that could potentially turn food into a weapon, but I can see after you said that how if that is true, it could be the foundation for an unhealthy relationship with food. There are alot of obese people in this world though, and I doubt it's because they all had to skip a meal as a punishment when they were young. What my point was about that though, is that it isnt abusive for a child to miss a meal occasionally. And then I wanted to ask too, is that we used to attend a church where fasting for a day once a month was expected... Not the young kids but certainly the 8 and over crowd were expected to be encouraged to fast if not at least to fast one of the meals for that day. Like I said, we used to attend, but dont anymore- but not because of the fasting thing. The arguement there might be because its a choice to fast. Looking back on it now, we never really asked the kids if they wanted to, we just did it. So, would fasting be another foundation for an unhealthy relationship with food? However, I totally agree with you about the refusal to eat situation. Again, all I was saying is that a child skipping a meal is not abuse. However, starving a child to where they have lost 30 pounds is abuse/severe neglect! Its just obviously not the same thing.

  12. As an adoptive mom, I honestly wish states had better post-placement services. Both follow-up visits and proactive educational resources. Even though I consider myself a decent parent, it was good to be able to bounce things off the social worker when she visited. Now that my kids are going on 5, I would like to be able to tap into that resource some more. I realize this would come with a cost, but I'd be willing to pay an up-front fee to cover it. I just don't want to hear of any more kids being hurt because the state didn't check or the parents were clueless.

    I definitely agree here- I believe that specialized RAD training/education should be REQUIRED for any foster/adoptive parent. It would have been wonderful to have had a SW come by to visit just to be able to get ideas from.

  13. I've heard that idea (the children you adopt should be younger than the children you already have). It's the idea that ALL children up for adoption have been abused and will be abusers is really upsetting.

     

    In another article, when a mother writes in that her 10 year old adopted son has molested her 3 year old biological daughter his advice is turn the boy over to the police or ship him back.

     

    Ummmm.. Wow- I certainly do not agree with or condone the behavior of the Pearls or the Williams, but being an adoptive parent, having had to deal with one of my adopted boys who was 15 when we FOUND OUT he had been molesting my then 5 year old daughter- I definitely agree that adopted children should not be the same age as your bio children. Am I just misunderstanding whats being said here, that the idea of protecting your own children against potential sexual abusers is wrong??? Is it just because Michael Pearl said it? I mean, I really hope I am just misunderstanding because certainly the people here wouldnt think protecting your bio children from sexual abuse at the hands of adopted children is wrong?? When we found out, we sent him to live with my husbands mother thinking she would help him. HA! We should have sent him to jail because right now he lives free from remorse, free from guilt, free from a lick of sense and gets to have facebook and a cell phone and whatever else, while my daughter deals with the struggles of being a survivor of child molestation at the hands of her "brother".

    Hana was obviously horribly abused. The woman who adopted her is a horrific person. I am sure however that Carri is not the ony woman out there who regretted adopting.... Regretting adoption, sending a child to bed without supper when they have had 2 other meals that day, which are definitley NOT the same as what Carri did, are also NOT abusive behaviors. There is no arguement to me that Carri is the embodiment of evil, ofcourse she is, but does regretting adoption make you evil or a child abuser? No. And if anyone here is considering adoption without thinking more than twice about the potential abuse their own bio kids will have to endure at the hands of the adopted kids- then you might want to think again. Dont be that naive. And the one comment a PP made about how she hoped the Williams bio kids will learn better about how a family is supposed to be in foster care... Where do you think my adopted son learned that sexual behavior?? FROM BEING MOLESTED IN FOSTER CARE.

  14. Yes! This is definitely possible. I have lost 25 pounds since the first week of July and I am SO thrilled. I havent made my doctor very happy because my caloric intake is between 500-700 a day. I also dont eat sugar (much) or things that turn to sugar (pasta, rice, potatoes, bread, etc.) because Im a diabetic. I also drink a ton of water and try to walk 30 minutes or more a day, but have been slacking on the exercise the past couple weeks. I hope to reach my goal weight by December and at that time will probably up the calories to maybe 800-1000 a day. I imagine that I will up the exercise a heck of a lot more when I do this. My phone has a weight loss app on it that tracks my exercise and it says that 30 minutes of walking burns 200 or 300 calories. I sure hope thats right but it really puts a perspective on exercise and how a little really does help. Good luck!!! :001_smile:

  15. Would you be willing to share your plans? We've done a Star Wars summer unit study where the kids did research at home for short presentations (such as compare one medical technology available today with a medical device in the movies) and watched the movies together. A science night sounds fabulous! :)

     

    I agree!!! This sounds like great fun! I try to have a Star Wars day in May to celebrate Star Wars and I would love to hear your plans and how it went. :bigear:

     

    Thanks!

  16. 1) Egg Donor/Sperm Donor labels

     

    Usually (based on my personal experience-I've not done a scientific study or anything) these terms are used in reference to birth parents that were abusive or neglectful. This would cover the birth parents of most children in the US foster care system and some international adoptees.

     

    :iagree: Im so glad you said that.

     

     

    Witnessing the terrible effects of RAD and other attachment issues on adopted children from all countries and circumstances, it is very tempting to have a negative view of the birth parents who did not do right by their child during pregnancy and pre-placement. Not all children suffer this way, but when they do, it's terrible for their families.

    :iagree: It is terrible for their ADOPTIVE families and for the ADOPTEE as well....

     

    3) RAD/Attachment Issues/damage by substances in utero

     

    Adoption is no place for fantasy thinking. Reputable agencies will have classes on this and have an attachment therapist on staff or one they can refer parents to.

     

    Well then I suppose the County of San Bernardino in California is NOT a reputable agency because the first time I heard the acronym RAD was about 3 years ago- and I adopted my kids 13 years ago!!! And :iagree:as far as fantasy thinking... man- they saw me coming from a mile away.

     

    Children from terrible early life circumstances do have a higher risk. A close friend gave back a son they adopted through foster care because he tried to kill one of the other siblings in the home. He's so violent that he can not be placed in a home with other kids-ever. It's not his fault he was exposed to drugs in utero and in his early life, but they can't put other children's lives at risk because this kid got dealt one of the worst hands in life. He has all kinds of issues that will never be cured, and no child should have to bear the brunt of it.

    Yep, I totally can relate here.... I am thankful it hasnt come to attempted murder in our situation, but two of my bio children have been sexually assaulted- and the effects for my bio children of not having the opportunity to grow up in a house with peace and security, well, thats another story.

     

    I just want to say too as calmly as I can- I know my kids birth mom- very well in fact. She is my sister in law- which is a whole other thread. We are talking about a woman who decided at 15 to have as many babies as possible because it would be fun and you get free money from the state. We are talking about a woman who used abortion as a form of birth control. I have never heard of so many condoms breaking -EVER! I mean, every time she got pregnant it was because the condom broke. And Im sorry for offending all the ever so loving birth moms out there, but in my situation, my kids birth mom IS the egg donor. I have been called everything in the book by her and my in laws from a c***, a wh***, a b**** and thats just the stuff they posted on my husbands facebook a couple weeks ago. We finally had to block them. They also like to say how I "stole" the kids from her. And she has really had visitation all these years which we ofcourse have been denying her even though the adoption was finalized all those years ago with NO stipulations on it anywhere for her or any of the fathers. We have shown these docs to my in laws and my kids so they would know the truth, but the in laws and my oldest adopted child who was 12 years old when we adopted has decided we have been lying to her all these years. She was there- she knows but chooses to ignore it and believe lies! These people were not willing to help when CPS was searching for other relatives willing to adopt these kids. They were asked and they declined to take on the task because they saw a sucker ready to do it for them! These are the same people who sat back less than a year after my husband and I were married and watched as I took in these 5 little children when no one else would and yet 13 years later they still have an ax to grind?!?!? Nevermind what my family has been through!! Heck, we couldnt even get my husbands other sister to watch 2 of the 5 kids for a weekend so my husband and I could have some recovery after we were manipulated by the county to take them in. I say this because not one worker even said anything that came close to "the kids may have behavioral problems" let alone RAD! We called them to ask for help about 2 months into it because we noticed that something was not right, they sent us to a class on how to do time outs!! So, Im sorry. Im sure I will be blasted or maybe this will even be deleted as my opinion isnt the "civilized" opinion but geez! Thats almost like saying that all birth mothers get pregnant and give the child up for adoption because thats what they are "called to do". They know there are adoptive families out there so they get pregnant just to give their child away. And please do not mention surrogates because thats a whole other thing. And then they take excellent care of themselves and are model citizens instead of the cold hard fact that is that ALOT (sorry I dont have numbers here) of these women are not the ones who take excellent care of themselves and love their babies more than life itself and thats why they give their babies away. Its all out of love and that they think of their kids everyday. Yeah right. Thats not the majority of cases. I have sat back and watched my adopted kids go through hell trying to figure out why their "birth mother" shocked the heck out of everyone in the courtroom and gave them away after completing all the reunification requirements!! And she didnt give it another thought when she wound up pregnant again 2 years ago and decided to keep that child. One of my adopted kids wants to know what she did that was so horrible that her "birth mother" didnt want her. What is wrong with her that her "birth mother" can raise this new child but couldnt have cared less about her? There is nothing that she did to deserve it, but it happened none the less. Im sure they all want to know why. And then throw in all the wonderful effects of RAD on the adoptive families. Like I said, compared to someone being dead, I guess we are lucky. Not to say I havent gone to bed scared that we wouldnt make it through the night or that one or more of my bio children would be murdered in their sleep due to jealousy issues. Anyways- Im sorry this is so long, but my family and I have sacrificed SO MUCH and been through hell that to read how the birth mothers are making all the sacrifices was very hard on my eyes.

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