Greta
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I think advantages are dependent on your state and schools she wants to attend. We did the early graduation thing and were able to take whatever courses my DD wanted with the professors/times she wanted. It sounds like this process is already smooth for your daughter?
If entering as a transfer student, some majors have no cap for enrollment and are relatively easy to transfer into without the SAT. At our state schools, regular transfer students can be DE as long as they meet the major's requirment (24 hour requirement in some cases), no ACT , or SAT needed, however not all majors accept transfers. If she is DE , she can decide later how she wants to be/ can be admitted to her major and choice school.
Thank you, Silver Brook! I think that I do need to do a more thorough job of looking into the particular schools she's interested in.
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We took a vote and decided exercise is stupid. Now sit down and eat your cookie!
Well, if you insist!
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My husband is currently doing 22-minute hardcore which is by the same trainer and cost $40 to own on DVD. The workouts are 22 minutes a day instead of an hour and a half and he is very, very satisfied with the results. He recommends it.
I'm currently pregnant and doing almost nothing. :leaving:
I have to admit, 22 minutes sounds a whole lot better than 90! :lol: One of the things that tempted me with the GirlsGoneStrong program is that they said their philosophy is "minimum effective dose" - do what you need to do to get the results you want, but not more, then get on with your life. Sounds good to me! :)
The only thing I did when I was pregnant with my daughter was a daily walk. I don't think you need to do much during pregnancy! But a little probably goes a long way. I had a really quick and (relatively!) easy delivery, and I have always wondered if the walking was why, because it's the only healthy thing I did during my pregnancy! Well, I also napped every day. Hey, maybe it was the naps! :laugh:
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Thank you, Slache! I really appreciate the information. I've heard of P90X but never really looked into it.
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May I jump in to ask about good weight-lifting programs? What do you guys do with regard to weights? I'm considering buying "The Modern Woman's Guide to Strength Training" at GirlsGoneStrong, but that's a lot of money (at least for my budget) so I thought I would ask about good programs to be sure that's a smart investment. Thoughts?
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We've been pretty slacky on it.
http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/602333-exercise-thread-april/
Ah, thanks! I've been pretty slacky with regard to weights, so I was going to ask for some help on that issue. :)
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Did a social group get formed instead?
Or am I just missing it?
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Our state schools offer the best scholarships for freshman students plus the extra year gives them a chance at a better score so better scholarship.
I have been looking into admission requirements at several schools that she'd be interested in, but I haven't looked into scholarship opportunities. And that extra year before taking the ACT/SAT could really help toward that too. Thank you!
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*Do you get a tuition break for DE? We get a really big one, so that would be in favor of another year of DE for us!
I cannot believe I didn't think of this! Tuition is FREE for DE, but won't be any more once she graduates. Granted, the tuition is still incredibly cheap for us as residents, but cheap isn't free!!! What a huge DUH moment. Sheesh.
Thank you! :blushing:
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I think a lot of this depends on the atmosphere at your local CC. Even different campuses of the same system can vary widely, or at least they do here. So that would be my first concern: what kind of atmosphere are you putting your 12/13 year old in at your CC?
The second concern I would have is that under normal circumstances, the grades you made in 8th grade are not something that's generally going to affect your future. But if you're taking college courses in 8th grade, then those grades are with you from now on. Is he really ready for that? It's a big commitment.
There are other ways that you can get him help with courses that you don't feel comfortable teaching, so don't let that factor too much into your decision. And I would start with ONE class and transition gently. That's what I'm doing right now with my 16yo, and I have no regrets about limiting her to one class, because that one class has been a bigger workload than she was expecting. (And for the record, this class is in her favorite subject and the one she is strongest in, but it was still an adjustment.)
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You guys were such a help to me in that previous thread, that I'm back for more! :)
My daughter is 16, in 10th grade this year, using Kolbe Academy, and also currently doing one dual enrollment course at the local community college, with plans to do more next year.
She’s currently on track to be able to finish the requirements for Kolbe’s magna cum laude diploma by the end of 11th grade. And then she would do a full year at the CC before transferring to a 4-year university.
Whether or not we graduate her a year early, her life will be very similar for the next two years anyway: some classes at home using Kolbe, and lots of classes at the local CC. So the only issue I can think of regarding early hs graduation is that she’ll have to take the ACT/SAT earlier than she would otherwise. That is an issue worth taking into account, because she is a VERY nervous test-taker, and she doesn’t do as well on tests as she does on general coursework. So delaying might be helpful (might not?). I talked this issue over with hubby this morning, and we will do whatever we can to help her prepare, whether that means taking some prep courses, getting her some sort of help for test anxiety, etc.
So, then the other issue is, what are the potential disadvantages of going to uni as a transfer rather than a freshman? I gather that there are some scholarships that are available only to freshman students? Honestly, as bright as my daughter is, I’m not sure she’d be scholarship material anyway. Aren’t most scholarships based on ACT/SAT scores? Since she’s not a super-stellar test taker, I just don’t see that happening. I also realize that it’s unlikely that *all* of her credits would transfer. We get free tuition at the CC, so this is not a loss financially. Of course, there’s the loss of her time and effort, so that’s worth considering.
What other potential drawbacks am I missing?
Thanks in advance!
Oh, and a note for those who read my other thread: I mentioned there that dd was hoping to avoid the ACT/SAT entirely by applying as a transfer student rather than a freshman. But some counter-arguments to that were made, and when I brought the issue up with my husband this morning, he made the exact same counterarguments, which I agree are compelling. So, I haven’t broken the news to dd yet, but she IS going to take either the ACT or SAT or both. I think it will be better for her in the long-run to face down that fear.
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When you have a bachelor's, it is possible to get a Masters in a completely unrelated field. Usually you would take some prerequisite classes at the undergrad level and then head straight into your Masters program.
That's what I was going to suggest as well.
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There's nothing wrong with whey unless you're vegan or dairy intolerant. It is an excellent protein, in terms of being both complete and bioavailable. We use CytoSport whey because you can buy it in bulk at Costco and that makes it pretty affordable. I honestly haven't shopped around much, because we like that one well enough and it's convenient (since we always shop Costco anyway) and affordable.
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I've only skimmed, so forgive me if it's already been mentioned.
Another option would be to take college algebra and then stats at the CC. She may be more on board with this if you discuss how it will transfer to college -- usually this combination will fulfill college general education requirements, and then she will not have to take math at college.
The biggest argument for taking math senior year is that students who take a year off math tend to place lower (beginning/intermediate algebra) and struggle more in their required math classes at college. This is compounded by the fact that students who take a year off math tend to dislike it and so put off math until their jr/sr year of college, by which time they really have forgotten everything.
If it will help her avoid more math later, she'd probably be all for it. Thank you for the suggestion!
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The first trip my second son didn't get to go. He didn't meet the requirements he was given 11 months in advance of the trip, and which all of us rallied and tried to get him to finish before travel day.
I know I'm getting a bit off track here, and I may be misinterpreting, but it strikes me that you and Dawn may be talking about two very different scenarios.
Your situation doesn't strike me as a "grounding" or even a punishment at all. If I'm understanding correctly, you told your son well in advance that he could go on this trip if and only if he did x, y, and z by such and such date. And furthermore, you made sure that the other families involved KNEW that his participation was conditional, not guaranteed. He did not do those required things, so he did not go on the trip. That's not a punishment, that's simply what all involved parties had understood would happen from day one. Right?
But that's a whole different scenario from a parent who tells their child they can go on the trip, doesn't place any conditions on it, but then decides to yank it away at the last minute because of a completely unrelated infraction, without any concern for the others involved and without having ever warned them that it was a possibility. I don't know for sure that's what DawnM meant in her post, of course, but that's what came to my mind when I read it, because I have known of such scenarios. And I think it stinks, both for their own child and for the other kids involved. (But let me be perfectly clear that I am just talking about typical teenage misbehavior here, and NOT scenarios involving self-harm or other dangerous behavior. When your child is in danger, you just do what you gotta do. Period.)
You made a conditional commitment, and you were clear with everyone that it was only conditional. I respect that completely. But in some cases, I think people fail to communicate to others involved and even to their own child what the conditions are, and that isn't fair to anyone.
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My joker did ACT before finishing geometry and algebra 2. There was no precalc, and the trig tested was in algebra 1 and 2 for California textbooks.
For the new SAT, geometry is reduced and the trig required is in geometry and algebra 2 mainly. Link has the topics so you can cross check with your curriculum.
https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/about/alignment/math/additional-topics-in-math
It is always good to run through a practice test to know what the gaps are for ACT and SAT regardless of math choice because curriculum mappings from different publishers are different.
ACT
http://www.act.org/content/dam/act/unsecured/documents/Preparing-for-the-ACT.pdf
SAT
https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/sat/practice/full-length-practice-tests
Is the CC class a single semester class? Maybe she can take that in Fall and do a precalc class in Spring.
Thanks! Yes, I definitely want to do some practice tests with her first, given how nervous the whole idea makes her. I wasn't really thinking about this stuff too much yet, but since she wants to graduate a year early, I guess I'd better get off my butt and get it done.
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PreCalc is also offered in community college, so I was thinking no doors are closed even if OP's daughter does not want to do PreCalc this fall which would be her 11th and final year of high school if she choose to graduate early.
If OP's daughter opt for a transfer program in CC, I'm sure the CC has the scope and sequence for the transfer programs from CC to state U.
Yes, this! I'm not exactly the best algebra teacher, so I really don't think I should tackle anything higher. So IF she does end up taking those courses, it will be at the CC. So it's not going to hurt her that it's on her college transcript rather than her high school transcript, right?
And I know a lot of people are cautioning that we shouldn't have her take a break in math and have to pick it up again later, because that's hard. And part of me agrees that's a really good point. But another part of me thinks that with time and maturity she would be better equipped to handle it.
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As I understood it the question was not merely calc in 12th but the math leading up to that, but maybe I have my math order wrong. For us it went Alg, Alg II, Geometry, Trig/Pre-Calc. So OP's daughter would need one more course to keep options open.
If I'm mistaken forgive me.
And just to add... calc is not only for stem. Understanding statistics in order to use data in decision making is really important and that's why it's required for a lot of non-STEM master's degrees.
I do not think that only humanities majors need to take ethics and metaphysics, either.
I think the confusion was my fault, because I was thinking that if she's not going to take calculus, there would also be no reason to bother with a trig/pre-calc course. But that's not really the case, given that the ACT/SAT will include trig and pre-calc. So I was lumping the two together when I shouldn't have been.
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Yeah I think by now she knows what type of general area of study she is interested in. Or at least knows what area she is not interested in. Even if she 100% has the ability, another important factor is does she have the desire and drive to pursue that?
The big push and tada now is STEM. Everyone wants their kid to go into STEM. Even my kids have picked up on that even though I've never told them what they should go into.
I wonder if everyone is going to go into STEM what the competition for jobs will be when everyone graduates in STEM. Maybe that's a ridiculous exaggeration and not a real concern, but I don't know. There are still plenty of other decent areas to go into that aren't STEM.
Exactly - I know my husband is thinking that she has the ability to do calculus/programming/engineering/whatever if she'll just give it an honest effort, but he doesn't seem to grasp that the desire isn't there. My husband is unusually intelligent, and sometimes I wonder if he became a physicist simply because he was capable, unlike most of us, and therefore he perceived it as the right thing to do. I'm not sure it's what he *wanted* to do, though, because he has never been all that happy in his career. He is brilliant at it, and successful. But he doesn't enjoy it. And my daughter has most certainly picked up on that!
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I think this sounds perfect for her.
The idea of forcing a student who is reduced to tears by algebra to slog through calculus in HS, on the remote chance that she might, at some point in the distant future, decide to do a complete 180 and go into a career she has never had the slightest interest in, makes no sense.
If she has any interest in graphic design as a possible career, another mathematically-related topic you might consider for a home-brewed course would be visual presentation of mathematical and statistical information. Some interesting books on the topic:
Edward Tufte's books are classics: Visual Explanations: Images and Quantities, Evidence ad Narrative , Envisioning Information, and Beautiful Evidence
Alberto Cairo, The Functional Art: An Introduction to Information Graphics and Visualization
Stephen Few, Now You See It: Visualization Techniques for Quantitative Analysis
That's an interesting suggestion, and one I never would have thought of. Thanks!
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There is two levels of test anxiety that I see in real life. One is anxiety from thinking they did not prep enough. Test taking skills class help. Boot camp for specific exams help. Those are easier to find by word of mouth.
The other is the kind my dad has which requires seeing a psychiatrist at times. It is the kind that regardless of prep work, the person is still likely to panic or freeze at the exam hall. My dad take short term sedatives medicine under doctor's supervision. During my college exam, someone had a nervous breakdown in the exam hall and an ambulance was called. She was hospitalised for a few days and then took a year off on medical leave. It is a lot harder to find a good fit psychiatrist.
I *think* hers is more of the first. But I will try to delve into this some more with her and find out for sure. Thank you again!
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OP...
I know your daughter wants to be an artist, but she might change her mind. She is so young!
She might! It's hard for me to imagine her in a STEM field rather than some sort of creative field, but anything is possible. By the time I was her age, I knew very well that my talents, meager though they are, were in science and not in anything creative. My assessment of myself hasn't changed. She's always been the opposite, always had such a strong need to create beautiful things, whether it was the stories and poems she used to write, or the art that has been a daily activity since she was itty bitty.
We have a family friend with grown children, and he had a daughter who also wanted to be an artist, and got a degree in FA and everything. And then she became a nurse. So you never know!
But I do hate to force more math on her than is necessary right now. If she decides on a different career, then she will have a motivation to learn what she needs. Right now she just considers it pointless torture.
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FWIW, my older kid who likes math isn't always the best at handling a problem he doesn't instantly know. I do all the math he does. I've got the patience to think about a math problem all day until I figure it out. Him? Forget it. And I've shown him ways to tackle a difficult problem.
And you know what is weird (and yeah probably I'm going way off topic here)? I was reading study and school tips on the local CC's website. They said something like if you don't understand something don't waste your time trying to figure it out, ask the instructor or a tutor for help. Ok I know when you are in college time is limited. So I get it, you can't spend a week trying to figure out each problem. But really? Just give up right then and there. That is so not how I roll.
Yeah, I can see them not wanting a student to get further and further behind while not asking for help that they need. But geez we do need to encourage some independent thinking, problem solving, and determination as well.
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Yes, I do! I read the description downthread; that's exactly the kind of thing I was talking about, anything to keep the skills fresh and possibly give new perspective.
Would she possibly be open to some life skills coaching to deal with the test anxiety? I know some people on the board think I'm always quick to suggest therapy, but I know that it can take the form of coaching and learning specific techniques to address specific problems. It doesn't have to be, What childhood trauma led to test anxiety? :laugh:
It seems like she's making big decisions based on avoiding tests, and that's something that might come up again more than once. Grad school for one, and there are some jobs that require a form of high stakes testing - at both my old job and dh's, you had to take and pass a timed test or you would not be hired, period. This was for any job, with obviously different tests and scoring depending on the job.
Plus, it's just always a good feeling to conquer a fear!
Thank you! I had no idea that there was such a thing as life skills coaching for things like test anxiety! How would I go about finding that in my area?
Another reality check: early hs graduation followed by CC
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I think this is really the main reason my dd wants to do it. She wants so much to just be done with high school and working towards her art degree.