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If the description sounds good, I think it makes sense to me. Sounds like a fine possibility.
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The online course description isn't very detailed, but here it is:
Presents the mathematical basis of geometric practices used in structural and decorative design. Surveys the major historical approaches to geometric study: Euclidean, descriptive, transformational, combinatorial, and ornamental. Compares aesthetic and technological issues in cultural context.
The prerequisite is Math 1310 Intermediate Algebra or equivalent placement score.
ETA: She isn't crazy about any math, but she enjoyed geometry a lot more than algebra, so I think she'd enjoy this course a LOT more than trig/pre-calc.
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The new SAT has only a few geometry and trig questions (IIRC, 6 total across the two sections) and it might be slightly less time-pressured than the ACT, though the math questions may have more reading involved.
More random two cents: I don't think calc is the issue here as much as a year of precalc. I'd have a hard time graduating a college-bound kid, who is otherwise quite capable and is accelerated/has the time, without trig and precalc. What program is she using that reduced her to tears? Maybe something else would be a better fit!
FWIW, my dd15 is very into art and last fall was thinking about art school. LOL, it keeps changing - now she wants to be a photographer and I think that's the bigger talent for her. She's also very good at math but she has no idea about the possibilities with that and no idea what she wants to study in college (she knows she doesn't need to major in photography). Right now, her understanding of what's out there for majors and careers is far too limited for making big decisions. She asks me and then gets annoyed when I turn to google LOL. I expect she'll start out undecided for major though the undecided factor really stresses her out. I just want to keep doors open for her as long as I can because I suspect she'll want to use her considerable intellectual skills more later on.
We're using Foerster's Algebra and Trigonometry, but following the regular (non-honors) Kolbe guide we'll only be doing the Algebra part, not the trig. It seems like a decent program to me, but I'm not that strong in math, so I'm not a good judge.
Thanks for this info!
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I would recommend statistics. Starnes, et al. Practice of Statistics is an outstanding book for high school (the previous edition is perfectly fine and will be cheaper). I do not think it's necessary for everyone to take calculus, and definitely not in high school. One of my college majors was math, by the way.
Yes, statistics, is sort of math, but it's different and will be more useful in everyday life for a non-STEM career. Statistics comes up all the time reading the newspaper, reading about evaluations of recommended medical treatments, etc. It's a different kind of logic than geometry and calculus and complementary.
I've talked to her in the past about how much I wish I had taken a statistics course, because I think it's so much more useful for the average person than trig or calculus (which I did take and never used). So this is a great suggestion.
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I'm a STEM type and even I don't think everyone needs calculus in high school. Someone needs to have a heart to heart with dad and let him know STEM isn't happening for this particular DD and he should stop living vicariously through her before he damages their relationship. She is who she is, and that is apparently an artist. But let's say she gets hit with a brick on the head 5 years after high school and wakes up and decides she wants to be an engineer and needs calculus. That's when she heads to community college and bangs out the calculus.
ETA: I do see the point about a fourth year of math in order to snag a scholarship. But at what cost if Algebra sends her to tears, KWIM?
This was my thinking as well. If something completely unexpected happens and she does decide on a STEM career later, then she will probably be better equipped at *that* time to take higher math than she is right now. A teen who cries over algebra just isn't ready for calculus. But when she's a bit older, maybe her brain will be ready for calculus.
I think that by virtue of the fact that I've been the one homeschooling her all these years and I've seen first hand on a daily basis just how differently she thinks compared to how he or I think, it's been easier for me to accept that she's not going to follow in anyone's footsteps, but forge her own path. He's been very supportive of her doing art, but I think he's always thought of it as a hobby, while she thinks of it as her life! He's also very practical and grounded by nature, so he is worried about gainful employment with an art degree. But she would be miserable in a STEM field. If art doesn't work out, she has other options that don't involve STEM. But I think she has a real shot at making some sort of career for herself in art, whatever form it might take.
I do think that he needs a reality check with regard to certain things. By the time I was her age, I was choosing my own high school courses without input from my parents, and I sure as all heck would not have listened to anyone telling me what I "must" major in in college. So, yeah, I need to have this talk with him, so that he doesn't inadvertently damage their relationship. I know that's not his intention. But it will be the result if he pushes this too hard. He wants her to at least try one programming course at the CC to see if she likes it. That's not unreasonable, and she said that would be fine, though she said it with the same enthusiasm she would have had if he'd said "go scrub the toilet". :lol:
But I also appreciate everyone in this thread giving ME the reality check with regard to a fourth math in high school!
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However, the other side of that is weighing the emotional fall out from trying to force students with specific subject apprehension and even anxiety to continue something they despise so much. Increasing stress can be counter productive to the educational process for sure!
I do honestly worry about this. Today's algebra lesson reduced her to tears, and she's going to have a heavier course load next year with more classes at the CC (she's only taking one class there right now). She's quite sensitive, and she takes it hard when she feels like she's not on top of something.
I cut out that snippet of your post to respond to it, but I appreciate everything you said!
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Thank you all so much for the replies! A lot of food for thought here, especially the points about a fourth year of math being required by some colleges. I'm going to look more closely at the schools she's interested in and find out for sure. But I definitely don't want to close any doors for her, so this is probably something we should just go ahead and plan to do. Man, she's going to be upset at having to do more math. :sad:
I always thought we could do a short course on trig and pre-calc to get her ready for the ACT, but I'm not sure if that's the best strategy. Actually, she's hoping to avoid having to rely heavily on ACT scores (and possibly avoid taking the ACT altogether) by getting enough credits at the CC that she can apply to uni as a transfer rather than a freshman. She is that phobic about tests. I think the CC is a good choice for her for other reasons, so I'm ok with that . . . IF it works. Makes me a little nervous, though. It's kind of funny, I got a full scholarship based on my ACT scores, and my daughter is planning her education around avoiding the ACT. Amazing how different parents and kids can be! She tests better than she gives herself credit for, but standardized tests have always been a big traumatic frustrating ordeal for her. She gets so nervous and anxious that she makes mistakes that she wouldn't make under calmer circumstances. So I really don't think, as bright and talented as she is, that she would get scholarships based on her ACT score.
Math and art are indeed closely related, so what about a class that plays on that?
Yes, if she felt like there was a purpose to math that would help her with art, that would probably change her perspective considerably! She wasn't really interested in biology until she realized that an anatomy class would help her draw the human figure more accurately, and now she's excited about it. There is a "Geometry for Design" course that is a requirement for the Associate's of Fine Arts degree at our CC. And if she did it this coming year then we could put it on her Kolbe diploma for high school credit as well. Do you think that would work?
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1) What state are you in?
New Mexico
2) Do dual enrollment students pay tuition in your area?
At the community college, no. They do have to pay fees (but they aren't much) and purchase textbooks, but tuition is covered. If they wish to take DE courses at the big state university, though, then they do pay tuition.
3) Can dual enrollment students count their courses towards their HS diploma?
Yes4) How many credits can a dual enrollment student take?5) Are there limits on the DE classes a student can take?I'm not aware of any limits, but I also can't say with 100% certainty that there aren't any. When we enrolled my daughter at our local community college, no one mentioned any limits. I didn't think to ask. -
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My daughter is 16, in 10th grade, planning to graduate a year early, doing Kolbe Academy for high school, some dual enrollment at the local CC. After graduation, she'll continue at the CC for awhile before applying to a bachelor's degree program.
She has always wanted to be an artist, since she was just little. Her determination has increased with age. She does have a lot of natural talent, and she also seems to have the determination to develop the skills. She is not interested in STEM careers in the slightest.
But my husband is a physicist. He has bachelor's degrees in both physics and math, and a PhD in physics. He has always equated "education" with "higher math". He wants dd to go into a STEM field, but I just know that's not going to happen. She has wanted to be an artist since she was 5 years old. It's just who she is.
Okay, now on to the question...
She has already taken Algebra I and Geometry, and will complete Algebra II this year. That's all that is required for her diploma from Kolbe, and she despises math and doesn't want to take any more than she has to. I've looked at BFA degree requirements for several universities, and it looks like there is a minimal math requirement, one class, usually something like "math for non-mathy people" or "geometry for the artist" or something along those lines. So my feeling is, she's done with math for now. She will do just fine in that kind of class when she needs it.
Right?
I haven't talked to my husband about this yet, because I know he is going to have a fit about her not taking calculus in high school. He thinks calculus is something that *everyone* needs to know. I disagree. But be brutally honest with me: am I missing something? Is there a valid argument to be made that every high school student should take calculus? Will I be putting her at a disadvantage later? (My high school didn't even offer calculus! So perhaps I'm unaware of how wonderful it is to take calculus in high school. I did take in college, and it was fine. I survived not having taken it in high school.)
I think his main argument will be that she NEEDS to study computer programming and therefore she needs the logic of math. But she doesn't want to take computer programming. She has less than zero interest in computer programming. I think that it's hard for him to accept that she is just that different from us.
Or maybe it's just hard for me to push her to take classes she doesn't want. Am I not seeing the bigger picture here?
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I bought a Dave Ramsey bundle for myself and my high school student, and I really liked it. I just checked their website and they don't seem to sell that exact same bundle anymore, but it included the book Complete Guide to Money.
I'm also slowly making my way through Personal Finance for Dummies by Eric Tyson. It's more comprehensive and detailed than the Dave Ramsey books that I've read.
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Honestly? Go over to the Asian food section of your grocery store and get a can of coconut cream. It's THE best in coffee with a bit of sugar. Yum.
I'm a die-hard heavy cream fan and will drink my coffee black when I can't have it. But that I might try! Thanks for mentioning it. :)
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I'm so sorry, MrsWeasley. :grouphug:
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Yeah, it only makes me see them as bigger nutters than I originally did.
Which I wouldn't have thought possible, but alas.
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The guy has the gun at the ready, with his finger on the trigger, no? Do responsible gun owners usually do that walking down the street?
Yes, I was thinking about this after I posted. The way he's holding that gun is aggressive, one step short of pointing it at her. This is no good citizen exercising his legal rights. This guy is unhinged.
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I don't know. It gets cold in my open carry state and people cover their faces in cold weather. While I agree the guy in the picture looks like he's trying to be intimidating, I'm not sure the police would be able to do much other than watch him.
It doesn't get cold enough either here where I life or in TX where that happened for that to be a factor at all. The guy was clearly wearing the mask to hide his identity and to make himself look scary and intimidating. Maybe the police could do nothing. Probably the police would do nothing. But I'd still call it in, because first of all this kind of harassment and intimidation is ridiculous. And secondly, what if I didn't call it in and he did end up hurting her? I'm NOT about to err on the side of "this guy looks dangerous but he might not be". Call it in and let the police at least be given the chance to do their jobs.
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I don't know that it screams intent to do harm... but it certainly screams intent to intimidate, if nothing else.
I think I get what you're saying: that we don't know from the mask whether or not he actually intends to fire the gun. (Good enough chance that I'd still call it in, though.) But I would argue that he is in fact using that gun to cause harm: harassment, intimidation, stalking - all harmful. If what he intended to do was morally and legally sound, he'd have no reason to have that mask on.
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To do what? In open carry states, the man in the pic is not breaking any laws.
I live in an open carry state, unfortunately, and I would absolutely call that in. Carrying a gun and wearing a mask absolutely screams intent to do harm. Only people who are up to no good have reason to hide their faces.
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I definitely think this is true. The oldest often tries to serve as another (functional) parent. He/she doesn't get to be a child and develop the way a child should. Ask me how I know. :glare:
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I am so sorry, Amy.
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:grouphug: Perimenopause bites. I hate it. I have had similar issues. I have had some shortness of breath, but didn't connect it to this. Mine always happened when I had eaten too many carbs, so I just thought it was that! I've also had a HUGE increase in my migraines, so the things like dizziness, fatigue, and brain fog are related to that. But sometimes I do get them separately from a migraine as well. I've had queasiness and loss of appetite as well, though mostly that was just in the summer months, and during the warmest hours. Now that it's cooler, that has almost disappeared. And I learned on these boards that it may have been a product of the HRT, and not the perimenopause itself. I don't know for sure.
The anxiety is *awful* but luckily that's one of the symptoms that has really been helped a lot by the HRT. I don't know if HRT is something you'd be interested in, or if it's even an option. I gather that they don't usually prescribe it until full on menopause. But my migraines had become so debilitating that I was desperate, so my OBGYN was willing to prescribe them. I was also having much longer and less predictable cycles than before.
Well, I wish I had some answers or hope to offer you, but sadly I do not. Just sympathy and commisseration. :grouphug:
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I was a dog groomer for 4 years. I have lots and lots of stories from costumers. Dogs are awesome.
Dogs are awesome indeed. We have three of them, a little crazy I know. But I honestly believe that is the reason our house has not been robbed, while most of the ones around us have. And ours are not big scary dogs, they're just noisy! :D
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I have several deterrents including a locked door and a dog. It doesn't take long to get a gun out.
Well, we are in agreement about the locks and dogs. :)
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So when someone carrying an illegal firearm comes to rape and kill my children and myself am I supposed to explain to the guy that I gave my gun up to law enforcement and could he please have a seat while I phone the police?
On the other hand, I'm sure he'll be happy to just have a seat while you go unlcok your gun case, get the gun, get the ammo, load the gun...
Or have we gotten to a point where keeping loaded guns unlocked in homes with children seems like the "reasonable" thing to do?
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Nope. My decision not to own a gun has nothing to do with feeling ashamed, because I don't feel ashamed either way. There was a time not long ago when there was a serial rapist who was nabbing women off sidewalks in broad daylight right here where my 16 year old daughter and I live (I don't mean my city, I mean my very neighborhood). I gave serious consideration to buying a gun. It wasn't shame that made me decide against it, it was knowledge.Here's what I think. I think gun-shaming contributes to violence and leads to more fatalities. These shootings are so deadly because the intended victims cannot defend themselves. They were all sitting ducks and the building was a "soft target" for those looking to do harm because it was widely know that they were defenseless. I am NOT blaming the victims, so don't even go there. I am saying that our culture's growing anti-gun sentiment and BS gun-free zones made the murderers' jobs a whole lot easier. Let's not HELP people kill others by guilting or outright legislating millions of people into being defenseless.
I started doing research about gun ownership, and discovered that a gun in the house would make me and my family less safe, not more so. (By the way, there's a reason the NRA is fighting so hard to suppress the collection of information and statistics about gun violence in the US. They know damn well that their "more guns means more safety!" rhetoric is a bald-faced lie.) I started trying to think through the logistics: how/where could I store a gun to make it easily accessible in case of an emergency, and yet safe from accidents and theft? Answer: CAN'T BE DONE.
I started thinking about how an actual crime scenario would play out. Would I be able to (a) get to the gun, (b) keep control of the gun, i.e. not let it be taken from me by the criminal, ( c) keep steady enough in a crisis to actually be able to aim, (d) not accidentally shoot my daughter or my husband instead. And I realized that it would take YEARS of special training for me to be able to do any of that!!! You can't just go down to the shooting range a few times, hit a still target while you're completely cool and calm, and then assume that in a crisis you're going to be Jason Statham in your own action movie. It's CRAZY.
One of my brothers is an avid gun enthusiast. I was asking his advice during this time, taking advantage of his extensive knowledge of guns, giving this very serious consideration. What I concluded is that owning a gun for hunting or sport makes sense. But this idea of guns being used for self-defense is, for the vast majority of us, wishful thinking. There is probably a small handful of people out there with the skills to make that happen. I am not one of them. And neither are most of the people who think they are, IMO.
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The problem is that the criminals already don't obey the laws. You know, like the you-shouldn't-kill-people law? So what good would more laws do?
"What good would more laws do?" sounds like a purely hypothetical question. But since laws vary by state and by country and through time, we can ask an even better question, "what good IS BEING DONE by more laws?"
The US states with tighter gun control laws have less gun crime:
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/01/the-geography-of-gun-deaths/69354/
Gun accessibility is directly correlated to homicide rate, across states and across countries:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/
Gun accessibility is directly correlated to suicide rate:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-ownership-and-use/
Safe storage laws reduce accidental gun deaths:
https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/state-advocacy/Documents/Safe%20Storage.pdf
When gun restrictions are enacted, homicide goes down:
http://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/australia.php
The only way to stop the madness is to get rid of the guns. ALL the guns.
We can't stop the madness, but we could reduce it drastically. We have simply chosen not to.
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I need a reality check regarding high school math
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She has me for a teacher, but I'm more like a fellow student. I wasn't that strong in math to begin with, and it's been many years. So we go through the lesson together, but it's really more like I'm (re)learning alongside her than teaching her. Hubby helps if we get stuck, and he could help her on the weekends. But he works pretty long hours during the week and just doesn't have the mental energy left in the evenings.
When she looks at a problem, if she doesn't instantly know how to do it, she gets frustrated and freezes up. I've tried so hard to teach her to just play around with it, see what you can do with what you know, and maybe the way will become clear. But she can't seem to do that. She doesn't think that way. When she cried yesterday it was while asking me, "HOW did you logic that out?" She can't seem to see the steps between the problem and the final answer. I don't always either, but I know how to start messing around with it and see what happens. I can't seem to get her to do that, though I've really tried.