So, they would conduct an investigation into this? I guess I just read mine books that explained it.

I think you may be underestimating yourself, to be honest. Saxon is secular. You didn't miss anything there. Hakim is secular too; she is banned from those groups for different reasons. I had never heard about any racist language or whitewashing in Hakim before I read about it there, from anyone, (Clearly, I have now.) and it's impossible to confirm what they are referring to since they don't include specific citations. David McCullough, the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, the School Library Journal, Kirkus Reviews, the Washington Post Book World, etc, etc, all gave it glowing reviews,

I understand what you're saying. You certainly can teach it at younger ages, it just typically isn't. (Maybe because of the parent lobby, sure.) I've looked at your other posts and we approach hsing a little differently. I did more content heavy stuff first and am hitting concepts much harder now that my kids are older. They are neurodiverse, so it worked better for us for me to do it this way.

I have no idea about Saxon. I always thought it was secular. The other secular FB group I'm on bans Hakim's history because they say it has racist language and is whitewashed.

I have to admit, I taught science as a series of topics for some time. We covered the scientific method, but didn't explore it in too much depth until they were older. How do you think this would be an issue in an elementary level science class? I'm genuinely curious. I didn't think younger kids did the kind of investigations that could be limited based on religious doctrine. I thought most creationist scientist focused on evolution and geological age, which aren't usually topics for younger kids.

Phew. Thanks for the discussion so far, everyone.

Yeah, one of the questions I was asking when I got booted was about Charlotte Mason. That philosophy is NOT secular in its original form, and here they were allowing all these curriculum based on her methods, but banning entire other curriculum because of their Christian worldviews. And that was where I was heading with that--that if some curriculum get policed based on the creator's philosophy, why aren't all of them? (Excluding science, here.) Particularly if they are taking the point of view that curriculum is bannable solely due to author's views trickling down into the curriculum. I think

I got booted before I had the chance, which was disappointing. I was asking out of exasperation and genuine curiosity.

Nothing. The point is that they'll defend themselves and their beliefs in a knee-jerk, arbitrary way any time they perceive they are being challenged and ban people in that same spirit.

Well, they can always just refer people to their files. Or tell people their recommendations aren't secular and leave the thread up. That would definitely be easier to forcing folks to delete.

Well, I joined the group, and was recommending secular curriculum along with everybody else. So, ideological purity issues aside, I would say that made me a member. I got booted when I started asking questions. But you're right, they don't have to engage in dialogue or explain arbitrary sounding decisions to people who are genuinely bewildered. I do think it odd that a group that advocates a particular ideology would not be willing to explain themselves more thoroughly, considering how (relatively) extreme their stance is. Yeah, I do think it's being the thought police when they delete any me

I know but sometimes I wonder about that. The number of non-secular hsers to me has always seemed quite a bit higher that 1/3, especially outside of urban areas. I sometimes noticed that a lot of people in evangelical churches started homeschooling because they saw people in their church doing it. So those people, for example, might not have listed religion motivations only on a survey but it would still have been a contributing factor. I live in an extremely liberal area now but I'm still surprised by the number of non-secular homeschoolers I run into. They've been swamped by the crisis homes

Well, they could solve that easily with some kind of written reference, an FAQ, or a spreadsheet. It's not that hard and would be enormously helpful to people just starting out.

That and the number of secular homeschoolers has been tiny compared to the number of evangelicals for years. The market is growing now though.

I hear you. It's a very human thing, what they're doing. The not open to discussion part, I think, is the most troublesome part of this. I feel they should be able to explain their reasoning when people ask.