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2 minutes ago, Sneezyone said:
Which media, be specific. Some outlets/hosts have made much more concerted efforts to misinform their viewers and listeners. Talking to my 72yo, carcoidosis-having, oxygen-using, VERY religious dad was like swimming upstream. I agree that some media are doing/have done this. The problem is not systemic. Chuck Todd, Sean Hannity, I’m looking at you.Which media did NOT, several weeks ago, assure everyone that the flu was worse/the numbers higher/your risk greater and completely ignore the exponential growth factors we were seeing from infected countries? Which ones did NOT spent more time emphasizing the need to "not panic" and downplay the need to prepare? (Why does preparing automatically equal panicking, anyway?)
IIRC, CNBC has done pretty well with this from the beginning. I am also thankful that some others seem to be catching on, like CNN now using "pandemic" even though WHO refuses.
But generally, they all now have to undo what they did before. And yes, some aren't even trying to do that!
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I lay a good portion of blame for people not taking this seriously on the media, the CDC, and the WHO. Part of the need for transparency and accurate reporting is so that people can adjust emotionally to a new situation. Without that, many people simply cannot adjust in time to act appropriately. It is the CDC and the WHO's job to know and understand this. But they totally dropped the ball. Now they're (somewhat) trying to get people to fall in line, but still refusing transparency and reporting. And the media is just following right along. For WEEKS, they all did their very best to convince people that this was just the flu, nothing to worry about.
Now suddenly, people are supposed to forget all that? There's going to be a lot of people who are rushing around from place to place who are only catching snippets of news here and there, mostly still reassuring them that's this isn't that bad. They're not getting the full story, they haven't had the chance to adjust emotionally, so they're not going to react properly.
That does not excuse people from not taking personal responsibility to educate themselves! But I am more angry at the "official" lack of across-the-board, appropriate guidance.
https://virologydownunder.com/past-time-to-tell-the-public-it-will-probably-go-pandemic-and-we-should-all-prepare-now/ from Feb 23, 2020 [emphasis mine]
QuotePreparedness is emotional too
Suggesting things people can do to prepare for a possible hard time to come doesn’t just get them better prepared logistically. It also helps get them better prepared emotionally. It helps get them through the Oh My God (OMG) moment everyone needs to have, and needs to get through, preferably without being accused of hysteria.It is better to get through this OMG moment now rather than later.
Offering people a list of preparedness steps to choose among means that those who are worried and feeling helpless can better bear their worry, and those who are beyond worry and deep into denial can better face their worry.
Yet another benefit: The more people who are making preparedness efforts, the more connected to each other they feel. Pandemic preparedness should be a communitarian experience. When a colleague offers you an elbow bump instead of a handshake, your mind goes to those lists of preparedness recommendations you’ve been seeing, and you feel part of a community that’s getting ready together.
This OMG realization that we have termed the “adjustment reaction” (see http://www.psandman.com/col/teachable.htm) is a step that is hard to skip on the way to the new normal. Going through it before a crisis is full-blown is more conducive to resilience, coping, and rational response than going through it mid-crisis. Officials make a mistake when they sugarcoat alarming information, postponing the public’s adjustment reaction in the vain hope that they can avoid it altogether.
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Things are picking up in GA, mostly in the Atlanta area. 5 presumptive cases and 6 confirmed brings us to 11 with 7 of those hospitalized. They don't know where the 4 new cases from yesterday picked up the infection.
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1 hour ago, Thatboyofmine said:
@Aura, are you the one who posted the ginger & honey recipe? If so, is that something I can make and refrigerate for a couple of days at a time? Thanks!
(If not aura, anyone else know?)Yes, certainly! I wouldn't do more than 2 days at a time though.
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I read somewhere that the reason kids are not as susceptible is that they have fewer ACE-2 receptors. It is these receptors that the virus attaches to, and the older you are and the more you smoke, I believe increases the number of these receptors.
That's going by memory. I didn't save or bookmark the study, and it is now lost in the sea of coronavirus-information-land.
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7 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:
“A 5-story hotel in #Quanzhou in #Fujiang Province being used as a #coronavirus quarantine facility has collapsed killing an unknown number of people. Dozens have been rescued but there were around 70 people inside when the building went down. #China #Covid19”
well this is pretty awful 😞
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In this video, Dr. Campbell does talk a bit about high risk individuals. I don't think he gives much solutions, unfortunately. 😞 But at least he does recognize and voice the problems! Which is more than, say, the CDC does.
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Dr. Campbell did not have good words for the CDC today.
QuoteEvidence to suggest that the virus has been circulating in the US for some weeks now. And yet they've managed to do a few hundred tests. The Center for Disease Control have dropped the ball on this one. Really, the level of testing in the United States for such an advanced, sophisticated country, is... just appalling... unacceptable. That's what it is.
He goes on to say they're expecting 1 million tests next week.
QuotePity for the delay.
He has nicer words than me.
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5 minutes ago, Pen said:
I tagged @BeachGal hoping she’ll explain more. I think ozone generator is what I meant and that maybe some can be used to infuse water with ozone (through a tube). I think for air use they need box or closed small area because ozone can damage lungs.
I don’t know how it would affect electronics.
I ordered one, but it hasn’t arrived yet so no personal experience yet. I decided that since son is in public school, his back pack, books, etc, are germy—which normally doesn’t trouble me all that much. But with the Covid-19 it does.
Ugh, didn't think about that, either. I have some in PS., too.
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1 minute ago, Pen said:
Upthread, @BeachGal mentioned ozone, could an ozone cleaner work?
Some power ones could have heads that come off base and probably the head part could be run through dishwasher
What is an ozone cleaner? I see ozone generators ($$$) and air purifiers ($$) but I don't know how that would work for toothbrushes? I'm not familiar with ozone anything, really.
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What are your plans for toothbrushes? I was looking at powered toothbrushes for youngest kids at the dentist's suggestion, which got me thinking about all of them. I supposed I could run them through the dishwasher on the sanitize cycle every night--but not powered ones. Maybe soak each one in a tray of hydrogen peroxide, since peroxide is supposed to kill the virus--again not the powered ones?
ETA: I guess powered ones are out, cause I don't see an easy way to keep those clean.
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Just curious, do y'all think we'll actually see quarantines? I'm honestly a bit skeptical that we will. At this point, I think we may have lost our window for containment, and we're going to go straight into mitigation.
I'm not even sure what mitigation might look like, besides closing schools.
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Dd, who works at a major grocery chain, came home tonight and was telling me it's been crazy at her store. People were stocking up on sanitizers and water and rice and beans.
I hope they actually like rice and beans.
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I'm going to add this here, for those looking for teas. This is a recipe I shared w/ my family. You really need to use FRESH ginger. According to Stephen H. Buhner in Herbal Antivirals, fresh ginger has much stronger antiviral properties than dried.
All of these are kitchen herbs and are commonly used in cooking.
Ginger Tea
- 1 quart water
- ¼ cup chopped or grated FRESH ginger (no need to peel)
- 1 Tbsp of dried thyme, oregano, sage or rosemary** (optional)
- Pinch of cayenne pepper* (optional)
- 2 Tbsp raw honey or to taste
- Juice from one lemon or lime
Bring water to boil. Remove from heat and add ginger and other herb(s). Cover and steep for 20 minutes to 1 hr. Strain into quart jar. Add honey and lemon or lime juice and shake or stir to combine well. Keep sealed to retain the aromatic oils. Drink the whole quart throughout the day. You can use a warming burner to keep warm or microwave a cup at a time.
**These are very good herbs for respiratory issues including sore throats and coughs. Kitchen herbs are fine! Double or triple the amount if using fresh herbs. You can also use any combination of these.
*Cayenne pepper increases circulation and helps to move this through the body, but if it’s too strong then feel free to omit it.-
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Would y'all mind very much if everyone started putting locations in their reports on things going on locally? Like "I'm on the west coast and there's no toilet paper in any of my stores" kinda thing?
I'm in Georgia, and so far, I haven't much of any kind of stocking up buying, much less panic buying. I'm going to check w/ my dd who works at a grocery store to see if she's noticed anything.
As for Emergen-C, we like the raspberry flavor, but I strongly prefer and suggest the Immune+ version which has the added vitamin D and zinc. Regular Emergen-C is only vitamin C & B vitamins. And yeah, check how much you want to use, I'm currently using 2 packets for teens and adults, which really adds up!
Actually, for anyone interested, this is my morning cocktail for my crew, adults & teens (1/2 that for kids 10 & 12) added to a glass of juice (important for taste!):
- 2 packets Emergen-C Immune+ (gives total 2000 mg/iu of vit. C & D each and 20 mg zinc plus more vitamins)
- 2 drops selenium + vitamin E (gives 200 mcg of selenium)
- 2 drops (or more) vitamin D & K (gives 1000 IU/drop vit. D)
- 2 gelcaps of betacarotene (gives total 20,000 IU)
- 1-2 drops of iodine w/ kelp (but I skip weekends w/ this cause I don't want to overdo it)
Seems like it might be easier to just do a liquid multivitamin, but I haven't found any that I like that has the high levels of vitamins C & B vitamins and everything else, so I'd already be adding extra stuff, plus this way it tastes good and it's more adjustable to each person's needs
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Wanted to share this for those interested: https://www.holisticwellness.solutions/blog-pages/blog-post-page-1
I've added vitamin D/K drops and selenium/vitamin E drops to my routine and also beta carotene softgels.
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2 minutes ago, Garga said:
I went grocery shopping last night and it was all I could do not to keep touching my face.
I discovered that when I’m shopping, I’m often looking down at shelves (or looking down bagging my stuff at Aldi) and little wisps of hair droop down and tickle my face, making me touch my face. All it took was a couple of strands, tickling my nose or getting in my eyes, making it almost impossible not to touch.
Maybe it’s just me and no one else’s hair does that, but I thought I’d mention it. We’re all trying not to touch our faces, especially out in public, and if you have wisps of hair around your face, it might be a good idea to pin them back when shopping.
That's me! I noticed the same thing! Argh!
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I'm behind on this thread, I'm busy trying to get ready for some family coming over tonight, but I wanted to pop on and say that it looks like Amazon might be running low on Emergen-C Immune+. I normally get the raspberry flavor. But when I went to order the same kind that I've bought for literally years, that page could not be found. Neither could the super orange. I found some cherry flavor, but it's not Prime. It's coming from Germany and delivery is a few weeks out.
Maybe related to an influx in orders. Maybe not. Just FYI
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Scientists in Hong Kong have invented a cheap and easy way to make home-made masks...
The University of Hong Kong-Shenzhen Hospital worked with the Science Park to devise the do-it-yourself method
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20 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:
I’m not sure if this is relevant to you but sharing just in case
Thank you! Dd's trip doesn't start until the end of May, so this doesn't include her. Definitely something to keep in mind and keep an eye on, though.
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1 minute ago, 8FillTheHeart said:
In case people haven't seen this article (didn't read through the pages to see if it had been linked) https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/
40-70% worldwide is huge. I'm not sure hiding from it (trying to prevent getting it) is going to be an effective strategy. If it is that contagious, it seems exposure is ultimately inevitable.
I actually think laundry detergent, dishwasher detergent, soap, toilet paper are things I would want to make sure I had enough of for a few weeks on top of basic food supplies in case you feel too sick to go out shopping.
Agree! Stocking up accomplishes several things.
1) no one really knows where this might hit next and what community might be quarantined for a couple weeks (as it appears to me) they may even start making longer quarantines, but people will eventually have to go back to work. They can't shut down society for months at a time. (If that were to happen... well, pick your disaster movie to watch)
2) there will be supply disruptions, so getting ahead and making sure you don't HAVE to have something is wise
3) activity helps reduce stress
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Desperate to stop virus’ spread, countries limit travel
The above article by AP seems to be a very good summary update. I included a few quotes and my thoughts, for whatever it's worth.
QuoteThe crisis pushed into areas seen as among the worst-equipped to deal with an outbreak as well as some of the world’s richest nations, including South Korea and Italy. As it proliferates, the virus is bringing a sense of urgency for local officials determined to contain it but often unsure how. [Isn't this where the WHO is supposed to be helping? To help contain and to educate officials on what to do?]
QuoteKorean Air said one of its crew members tested positive, but the airline didn’t disclose the flights the employee had worked on. On a U.S. military base in Daegu, the center of infections in South Korea, officials said the spouse of a late service member had also been infected. [I wish I had more information about this situation. Did the spouse die from the virus? I thought the center of infections in SK was a church? --they do say later in the article that the church "has the biggest cluster of infections."] And in the tiny Persian Gulf nation of Bahrain, one of those infected was a school bus driver who had transported students as recently as Sunday. [Thankfully, this virus seems to be much less a concern in children!]
Also testing positive was the head of Iran’s virus task force, who just a day earlier gave a news conference in Tehran in which he tried to minimize the danger posed by the outbreak. [Ah, the irony!]
QuoteTwo neighbors of Italy — Croatia and Austria — reported their first cases of the virus. And an Italian doctor staying at a hotel in the Canary Islands tested positive for the virus, prompting the quarantine of hundreds of guests. [This is one of the scary things to me, it APPEARS that the doctor came from Italy before things blew up there, so no one was testing. Since this can be spread asymptomatically, the virus spread beyond the outbreak area (in this case, northern Italy.]
QuoteEven in places where no cases have sprouted up, leaders kept a wary eye, such as Denmark, where two former military barracks were being prepared as quarantine centers. Still, uncertainty remained about how to effectively limit the epidemic.
Italy had taken Europe’s most stringent preventative measures against COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus, and yet became home to the biggest outbreak outside Asia. [No words, just 😲] Experts in Japan, with one of the world’s most sophisticated health systems, acknowledged the country’s handling of the virus-stricken Diamond Princess cruise ship was flawed and could have allowed the problem to magnify. [Ah, hindsight.]
QuoteIn comments reflecting both defiance and dubiousness over what measures work, French health minister Olivier Veran said the country would not shut its border or call off mass gatherings.
“We don’t close borders because we would not be able to, we don’t do it because it would be meaningless,” he said on French radio RTL. “Should we ban gatherings? Should we stop the Fashion Week? Should we suspend matches? Should we close universities? The answer is no.” [It sounds like they're saying they don't know what to do, so they're just not going to do anything???]
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1 minute ago, mommyoffive said:
Make sure to read all the fine print.
I am wondering if Elderberry would be helpful to have on hand for this?
Personally, yes, I believe so. Elderberry is a strong antiviral, proven against influenza but suspected against other viruses as well. HOWEVER Covid-19 has some indications that it causes cytokine storm. Since Elderberry is also an immune stimulant, the combination could be bad.
I am using it as a preventative. Since we know it keeps influenza from replicating, I'm hoping the same is true for coronavirus. I'm also planning for frequent doses (every 2-3 hours) the first few days of being sick. If whoever is not better after a couple days, or if they get worse at any point, I plan on discontinuing the elderberry.
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12 minutes ago, Terabith said:
So, who can declare a pandemic?
No one. We don't use that word anymore. We have a "global health emergency."
At least that's my takeaway.
It's like my local school system that does not use the words "tests" or "quizzes" because they cause too much stress on the students. Instead, they have "summatives" and "formatives". I don't know which is supposed to be which, but my 8th grader promises that she gets just as stressed as when she took tests or quizzes.
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wuhan - coronavirus
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Typically Google likes to feed me CNN, ABC, NBC, NYT, NPR, and the main ones like that.