Roxy Roller
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It looks good, but rather pricy.
:iagree:I still haven't taken the plunge, because of the price.
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Like I said above, I would go right into Latin Grammar with a 7th grader.
Thank you for clarifying!
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At his age i'd go with Latin Alive! instead of Latin for Children. We signed our son for the Veritas Press Latin Transitions course this fall at Veritas Press Online Scholars Academy. They use the Latin Alive text and recommend it for 6th/7th graders with no Latin experience.
Thank you for the heads up on Veritas Press. I may have to look into it if I have trouble teaching Latin.
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Ds is using First Form Latin (Memoria Press) now. We'll follow it with Second Form next year and then on to Henle.
I have a friend who has used a number of Latin programs (all at the same time): she was a Latin scholar. She likes them all for various reasons and has a good point when she says that they all have something in them that she doesn't want to miss. All the Latin programs out there have certain strengths and approach the teaching from that direction. You just have to decide which characteristic is most important to you and choose that way. :)
Do you want ecclesiastical pronunciation or classical? Or does it not matter?
Do you want Christian influences or does it not matter?
Do you want more grammar? More vocab?
More memorization? Traditional approach (textbook/chanting/translation)?
Would you prefer something with a story/cartoons or pictures? Do you want books that can be read (Latin translations of Cat in the Hat for example)?
Do you want a kit with audio/DVD/cards already prepped for you with a workbook, teacher's manual, and tests? Would you prefer to go simple and just stick with a textbook?
Oy -- there are SO many choices!
I agree that there are so many choices, and honestly, I don't know enough about Latin to know what I want for sure.
I have looked at First Form Latin, and it is a possibility.
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My oldest son used Latina Christiana I and II, and the first part of Henle. This year we switched to Wheelock's (after chatting with many on this board). I aslo switched my youngest to Latin for Children, as it very much follows Wheelock's, except at slightly slower pace. An above poster said it was classical, but the DVDs can be played with either classical or ecclesiastical pronunciation (I personally think classical is easier). I will say the DVDs are not great, but they get the job done. If your dd can memorize easily, you could work slowly through Wheelock's. Otherwise, I think Latin for Children would be fine. I personally think Wheelock's is easier to implement compared to Henle, but that is just my opinion (I have never taken Latin before).
I did not know that Latin for Children is a good lead into Wheelock's. I guess that I am going to have to decide on Henle or Wheelock's for high school, so that I know what to use now.
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When my two oldest came through, there wasn't that many programs available. We used Latin Grammar I and II from Canon Press and then went into Wheelock's.
With my younger ones, I heard so many things about so many programs that I just had to try them. We tried Latin Christiana and Henle. I did not like them and found them hard to teach. I went back to the Canon Press books (which I would not try before 6th grade or so) and they are doing great. We will follow them with Wheelock's.
So I would recommend the Canon Press books even though I don't hear a lot about them on these boards. They have really done a good job of laying a foundation that allowed my kids to have success with Wheelock's in high school.
So would I start with the Canon Press Latin Primer I or go right into Latin Grammar I with a child who has had no Latin experience?
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Here's a recent thread that may be helpful. :) http://www.welltrainedmind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255545&highlight=apologia
Thank you for the link.
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If you have used this program, I would love a review.
https://apologia.securesites.net/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=42
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Hi Roxy,
We've used Memoria Press's Prima Latina and Latina Christiana. Both are Ecclesiastical Latin programs. I thought the content was good, but the kids got bored very quickly and had trouble getting past the DVD instructors thick southern accent.
We then tried Latin For Children. Thankfully, I have a friend who let me borrow the program to see if we'd like it. Meh, the teaching DVD's are akin to home movies and hard to understand, not to mention the chants are not something my boys are going to do. Also, it's Classical Latin and I really prefer Ecclesiastical pronunciations.
I'm going to buy The Latin Road to English Grammar this week. LRTEG sounds like what you are looking for. You can go to the website, www.thelatinroad.com and view samples. I really like the concept and the video instructor's style. But...we haven't actually used it yet, so the proof will be in the tasting of the pudding, as they say.
HTH
Thank you for your honest opinion, Cindy. I do not want Latin to equal drudgery for my children. I have looked at LRTEG, but from what I understand it teaches a scaffold for diagramming. I prefer R&S's method. Please correct me if I am wrong and let me know what you think of it when you get it.
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I am looking to this board to help me find the right Latin program/sequence from people that have BTDT.
My DD11 with be in 7th Grade next year, and I have absolutely no experience with Latin, so I am in the dark. We are Christian, so I would prefer something with that worldview, but if something secular would fit our needs, please recommend it.
My needs in order of importance:
1) Vocabulary development (Will I need to do a separate vocab program as well?)
2) Preparation for possible career in science/math field
3) Preparation for adding French in high school (We live in Canada, and are a bilingual country.)
4) Reading Latin literature
I would appreciate any help!
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This weekend I was at a local conference. The speaker was talking about homeschooling without losing your temper(or mind). This was a mom of 8 children. She said the one thing she did do, with children 4-8, was practice life skills. They practiced putting shoes in their spot. Putting coats on their hooks(hangers). Over and over. Nothing worse than going to leave and some one has a missing shoe, now everyone is late. They practiced tying shoes, how much toothpaste to use, how to wash hands. These seem silly and not good use of time. But she said, it took a little time now. She found out why the boys had no soap most of the time, 4 squirts each. Or why there was water on the doorknob and door, some one washed great but never dried their hands. Or that her one little girl took a perfect amount of soap on one hand then rinsed it off, never washing her hands properly :lol:. But if one doesn't take the time to teach the skill, the outcome is not likely to be what you want. The time spent with her kids teaching them what is expected for hand washing, when they come in the house, when they are leaving, after a meal, prior to a meal, helped ALL of them in the long run. No misunderstandings.
This will carry over to everything in life. There are many things I assume that the kids know how to do. That assumption has caused lots of frustrations.
So we start over. Teach the basics. My older girls have really had no grammar teaching. I'm starting from the beginning, some will go FAST, other areas not so fast. So, it is what it is. It's not their fault, our schools don't teach it, or at least to any depth. Same thing with their chores. I make very detailed lists for them. If I want them to clean a bathroom, I break it down to the littlest job. Or it doesn't get done.
I think we were at the same conference in Edmonton. I came away from it realizing that I need to teach my children to take over a lot of the chores that I do, not only to lighten my load, but to train them.
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You're not failing at all! You are just entering the transition phase along WITH DD. Not many who are trying to implement TWTM received a classical education (I never did, at any rate), so we are schooling along WITH our children. We are in the rhetoric stage now (2 DSs, gr. 11 and 12), and I just wanted to encourage you to keep with it -- it is a process, not an overnight "light switch" between one stage and the next (thank goodness! -- gives my old brain time to transition, too!) And the more you invest now, the more you are really going to enjoy those later Logic stage and Rhetoric stage years!
So when those questions on the relationship between gravity weight and density come up -- time for a research bunny trail! Pull out the science encyclopedia. Do a google search. Check out Wikipedia's free online encyclopedia. Don't forget specific websites for specific topics, such as Rader's science websites, perfect for Logic stage questions (www.chem4kids.com; www.physics4kids.com; www.biology4kids.com; www.geography4kids.com; www.cosmos4kids.com). And when you do a search, sometimes do an image search, or a search for a video clip -- you may not always get to the answer you were looking for, but you'll find some cool things along the way!
Do as much together as you can for as long as you can. Read aloud together. Discuss everything. Ask questions and search for answers together. It's okay to not have an answer for everything! That's real life.
Do critical thinking stuff and logic puzzles now. Discuss movies and TV shows and world events now; experiment together with chemistry, cooking, various life processes. (What do you think will be the consequence of his/her choice? Did you see that coming -- what was a clue? What happens when we mix these things together -- and do you think we could substitute this other thing? etc. etc. etc.)
In the later middle school grades, learn those literary elements so you'll have the tools for analyzing not only literature, but lots of other things, too. Eventually do a Formal Logic program together, maybe around grade 9.
One baby step at a time! And ENJOY your journey! You just had an exciting moment seeing your DD taking a step into a new area -- rejoice! You are seeing DD actually take ownership and involvement in her own educational process! And relax -- you're doing a great job! :) You go, girl! BEST wishes, Lori D.
Thank you for this!
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You know, I really like this idea for myself! I have thought of doing this, just for fun, to practice pretty handwriting (maybe with a coloured pen), and to copy down writing that moves me.
I agree, Colleen! I was also going to start my own book, and I was thinking about ordering the Spencerian copywork books for myself.
http://www.rainbowresource.com/search.php?sid=1301080895-636690
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Roxy - when I clicked on your links, and then went to add it to my wishlist, it's someone else's wishlist. THe wishlist has 43 items in it. Is it your wishlist? if so, you might want to log out, and then copy the links again and replace the ones on your post. FOlks might start adding things to your wishlist!
Oops, thanks Capt!
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I will not be dropping copywork or dictation before high school.
We are doing WWE right now, but I am planning on moving to a place where my children will pick a passage from a book they are reading(probably literature) to copy every week, maybe even twice a week. I believe it will train them to be on the lookout for great writing, especially writing that 'moves' them, and it can't help but improve their own writing.
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I have 4 boys that all seem to be interested in Engineering of some sort.
I think when they are in middle school I will get a couple of other families together and have my husband do these books with them. They look like loads of fun, and are on my RR wish list, but we haven't ordered them yet.
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I purchased the ebook.
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Just my... well... 10cents :) Inflation you know :)
:lol: I appreciate all of the comments.
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LNST is absolutely my LEAST favorite of any of the (many) Latin programs I've had the opportunity to use or study at length. I wouldn't use it. With anyone. There are so many *good* intros to Latin. For a 7th grader, I love So You Really Want to Learn Latin Prep by Theo Zinn. If you know you want to go to Henle, the Memoria Press materials are a little dry but good. Many other options as well.
I've never understood why CC uses LNST.
I do not know very much about Latin. I will be learning along with my DD. I am not positive that we will go to Henle, as that is a couple of years away. I just want us to have a good base to work from for what ever path we take.
What do you use after So You Really Want to Learn Latin Prep by Theo Zinn?
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Thank you for all of the responses!
I used LNST as a Challenge A Tutor last year. Ugh! I have a lot of experience teaching Latin with various programs. I understand why they think they need to use it for Challenge, but there is no reason to use it at home.There are so many better programs out there than LNST, especially for a 7th grader.
I would look at First Form Latin from Memoria Press, which is intended to work before Henle. You could also just start Henle and work slowly. The gift of time at the beginning of a Latin program is great. You could pause frequently to make sure paradigms were memorized, which makes Latin so much more enjoyable (having to look everything up all the time takes all the fun out of it!)
I am glad that you mentioned First Form Latin. I was originally thinking of doing it, then moving to Henle. Maybe I have to go back to that plan.
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:lurk5: memory sentences...hmm...interesting -- thx! :)
I just finished reading The Core last night and Leigh recommends making your own sentences up for each section of history. I am mulling this over; it would be so much easier to just use something that someone else has already created, but I think it would be more beneficial to come up with a sentence as a family that would reflect the period we are studying. The problem with this idea, is that it would be more as a review, not facts that were learned beforehand as the OP is suggesting.
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yup, it's memorization :) lots of it. Now, to whether it's the best sequence... that's another story. I hear that latin for year after this... will be changed for CC. I personally think that "Latin's Not So Tough" makes it well... Tough..
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I don't want this to be a bad experience, so I really want to ease into Latin. It sounds like Latin's Not So Tough! might not be a good idea.
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If you're planning on starting Henle in 9th, I don't know if I'd plan to slog through two whole years of Latin prior to that. Henle does not require prior knowledge. While some prior knowledge surely will grease the skids, and is a fine idea, for my dd, GSWL was plenty. For a late middle school-aged student, GSWL might take all of a couple months. It is a perfect intro to Henle and has a somewhat similar design (grammar-based, limited vocabulary, lots of Latin to English translation), plus it's really not difficult. (One of my ds8s was doing GSWL last night - at his request...) For that matter, if you wanted, you could do GSWL toward the end of 7th and begin Henle in 8th. If it was too much for her, you could just go at the slower pace, taking two years rather than one to complete Henle.
I don't know anything about Latin's Not So Tough, but it's doubtful that one could jump into the middle of a Latin curriculum with no prior Latin experience.
I like the looks of GSWL. Maybe I will think about doing it for 7th and then move to Henle I in 8th. Then I have the option of stretching it over two years if I need to.
Any other thoughts?
Horizons, CLE or R&S with MUS - which one?
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I have been doing MUS with my children - which we love and will keep up to Zeta. That being said, I want to add a spiral review to our line up for next year. I want it be behind what we are doing in MUS, which I know is difficult to plan, because MUS's S&S is so different.
From what I have gathered on this board, Horizons, CLE or R&S are the top picks for the spiral method. Which would be the best to choose? Would I have them do a year behind MUS to get the review? I don't want the spiral review to be difficult, I just want the constant review from a different perspective.
Thanks in advance!