Roxy Roller
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But I also still read and post at the K-8 board since my bookmark goes there first so I quickly scan the first page to see if there is something of interest to me or if I can aid someone else. I can quickly determine if I need to click the 2nd page. Then I move to the Logic subforum. I give this new forum two thumbs up!
Capt_Uhura
:iagree:I do the same thing! I think this is a great sub-forum.
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I know that SWB recommends resources for outlining, and I have never seen them, but I think that outlining, like most aspects of writing, requires input from someone. You can probably use a canned resource to teach the skill, but most students will need handholding when they switch to authentic sources. I saw this with IEW. Mothers would take their students through several theme-based books and even through the dvd programs, but their students would flounder when they used sources from the library. Again, the canned sources were good for teaching the skills, but eventually, I believe the student needs to work with a variety of sources to own the skill. The time it takes for mentoring is the reason we used a streamlined approach for homeschooling during the early years and when our children needed remedial work after p.s. Working with them on language skills took so much time that I couldn't handle lots of hands-on projects, crafts, etc. Many subjects got put on the back burner until our children could work independently.
We are using Remedia's Beginning Outlining and Outlining books this fall and my DD is really enjoying them. She finds it easy. I am transitioning to using my own resources after Christmas and I will start her back at one level outlines and move to two level outlines before the end of this year, so that she is ready for 3 level outlines by next fall.
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I'm having ds outline from Kingfisher Ancient World. It's not quite as difficult as the main Kingfisher books, imo, but still not ideal. I've not been able to find a true Middle Ages equivalent. They have a book, but it's really just focused on knights and castles, from the look of it.
I've been looking at the DK History: The Definative Visual Guide for outlining next year. I'd like to look more at K12 Human Odyssey as well.
:iagree:The Kingfisher Ancient World book is easier than the red or white Kingfisher books. If you find a true Middle Ages equivalent, please let me know.
I will have to look at the DK and K12 books, but I have pretty much come to the conclusion that I will have to search a variety of books and make notes of which passages I want my DD to outline every week. It is a good thing I have thousands of books on my shelves - I love library sales. I was just hoping to have something that was more 'open and go', but I guess there just isn't a 'one size fits all' program for history and lit., and the sooner I get that through my head, I can stop spending my time looking for it.:tongue_smilie:
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We are currently using The World in Ancient Times series. My daughter finds it interesting and the ability to focus on a specific area of the world interested her even more so since I let her choose. The chapters are of appropriate length and density of information to outline.
I am going to have to look into this set. Thank you!
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...so we have had to seek either library selections or topics from the encyclopedia to do an outline for history.
I have realized that I am going to have to do this, I was just hoping for something that was more 'open and go'.
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Let her practice her outlining skills on this extra reading, instead of from the "spine."
I think this is what I will do, but it is going to take more work on my part.
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Assessing the resource is part of the process. So, you can pick the topics you want to study, get a library book, and outline a portion of it.
:iagree:I have come to this very conclusion. I guess I was just wanting 'open and go'.
Using a variety of sources helps her assess the writing style/quality of various writers.:iagree:This is the part of SWB's logic stage writing, that I had a problem with. If a child outlines from Kingfisher/or another text for 4 years, they are basically just learning to outline from one source. Thank you for voicing what I was intuitively thinking.
I always found outlining difficult to teach until we began using SWB's two leading questions. After dd develops the topic sentence from those questions, it's easy to read through a paragraph sentence by sentence, and decide if the information supports the topic. After the student learns the process, they can use it with any book; i.e. non-fiction, the Bible, etc. I also have dd use her outlines for oral presentations.I was listening to all of SWB's writing MP3s this past weekend, and I caught the questions for the first time. I also have ordered the new edition of the WTM and I understand it has more about outlining in it than my original version.
SWB's take on writing and analysis for history and literature is really resounding with me. I don't want to kill my DC love of learning history and reading literature, by too many questions and analysis. I agree with SWB, where she says that you can kill this love if you are not careful.
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My oldest is going to use the Nothing New Press version of H.A. Guerber texts for the next several years.
Heather
I am using the Guerber Ancient Times book with TOG, when it fits, but I am not sure I want to continue with it.
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There is the K12 Human Odyssey which you can find used at Amazon as well as the World in Ancient Times Series. I think your library would have them.
Now that you mention it, I remember that people here were recommending the World in Ancient Times series. I think I have one on my bookshelves, from a library sale, although I know it isn't the middle ages. I will have to take at it to see if it is written in an engaging manner that we can outline from.
I will also look into K12 Human Odyssey.
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Useborne internet linked is also recomended for this age.
I am in year 1, ancient history, and we are finding the Kingfisher book "The Kingfisher Book of the Ancient world" to be a great resource.
I also use those Oxford history books from our public library. They are great for outlining. I know they have a "Medieval and Early Modern World" series.
:iagree:I am also using the Kingfisher Ancient World book with TOG this year. I haven't looked to see if they have a Middle Ages equivalent.
I will have to look into the Oxford history books.
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We found Kingfisher not really suitable for outlining, because there is too little information in the paragraphs - my kids was basically copying everything. So we ditched outlining and substituted free-form note-taking.
We are using Universal History of the World by Golden Press, which is an old book series of several volumes, probably out of print (we are getting ours used). Much more narrative and detailed, less fragmented.
I agree that I there is not enough information in the Kingfisher for outlining purposes.
I will have to look into the Golden Press books. I have an old Golden Press Children's Bible that my husband used when he was young and it surpasses all of the other children's bibles I have looked at. I go to it time and time again.
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I am considering switching to the SWB/WTM method of history and literature for next year. We will be starting the Middle Ages.
I have the new red Kingfisher and I just bought the older white Kingfisher off of Ebay. I have to say that I am not overly impressed with them. They are okay, but I think my DD needs a more narrative form. She is also a young 11YO, and quite sensitive, so she is not ready for Streams of Civilization(which I own, and after looking at it, I find it has a little more mature content than she is ready for). In SWB's lectures, she states that SOTW 1 and 2 are not easy to outline from, and that SOTW 3 and 4 would lend themselves more to outlining. I need something a little more advanced than SOTW 2 to use with her, although I will probably use it with the boys. I want something that she can outline from. I have the ABEKA 7th Grade History of the World textbook, but I think it moves too fast and is really factual with no narrative. I also have Christian Schools International - Story of the Old World, which I am leaning towards using, because it is slightly more narrative, but it is still a textbook.
Are there any other alternatives I need to look at?
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Thank you, teachaheart. I was planning on adding in WTM suggestions for writing and some logic level literature.
I looked at Omnibus, but it is too advanced for my oldest child and I would not be able to tweak it for the youngers. I am doing TOG Year 1 right now, and we love it, but I need to move to something that is a little less intense, because I do not feel like I am getting the full use out of it. It is an expensive book list right now.
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Is it possible to use this with a 7th Grader? I am wanting a program that I can tweak for all of my children next year. I will have 1st Grade, two 4th Graders, 5th Grade and 7th Grade.
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I like the layout of it, but I am wondering how hard it would be to add in church history(middle ages) and other Christian POV materials.
ETA: I checked the website and see that it is secular, so I guess my question is, can I easily add Christian content?
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Thank you, SWB!
I am looking forward to frequenting all three areas - K-8, Logic and High School.
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Thank you!
I can't wait to check these out! My DD11 is actually asking for Christmas poetry to memorize, and she said she wants long ones!
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I am looking for some poetry for my children to memorize as we approach Christmas. I would love recommendations from The Hive!
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I am wondering if anyone is currently using these books, and if you are, how is it going? The samples look great and I am looking for a good workbook to reinforce spelling.
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:bigear: Anyone?
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Has anyone used this book as a spine for logic medieval history? It is published by Christian Schools International and it says it is for Grade 6.
I am considering making my own plan for history next year and this text seems to have some well thought out questions, including some worldview questions at the end of each section, that I am thinking would be good to use for discussion time.
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I have a couple on my Loving Life Lapbooks (link below).
On the top right:
Click on The Black Death, Aztec, Tower of London, and the Henry VIII booklets(this got extremely big so we stopped)
Beautiful work!
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I will do a lapbook on curriculum options! Perfect for this junkie!!!
:lol: I think we might start a trend!
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Oh, that wouldd be fun!!! what would the topic be? Time management? A lapbook on time management--fun!
I hear you :) That's why I leave it almost totally in their hands. I'll cut stuff for them, but they need to handwrite everything, which means it doesn't look very....professional LOL. But I have made paper color suggestions.....:lol:
Time management? Hmmm...I would have a lot to learn!
I try to back off too, although, it is often hard. I am hoping that there will come a day that they want my help. Right now, they want to do it all by themselves.;)
It sure sounds like I need to get back to scrapping doesn't it. It has been months since I have created anything. I was thinking about doing Ali Edwards Christmas mini-album, I even started the base a couple of years ago for one, but that is as far as it got, and right now it is packed up somewhere.
Is there a good alternative to Kingfisher?
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I just picked up my Amazon order from the post office last night, so hopefully I will be able to get take a look at my new WTM this weekend. I am looking forward to reading and digesting the new outline section. I like the idea of having a handy copy of the questions for my DD to refer to. I am hoping that by the end of this year, she will have really internalized this process.
I also like the idea of the child picking the topic to outline from each week. I allow my DC to pick the topic from the week that they do their summaries from - what most interested them from all of our reading, since we do so much. I don't make them summarize everything. We all know that our DC will learn more if they are interested in the information.