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The staff member did not return, though he did send his children to camp with our church. I know for a fact that some of the other staff members stay in touch with him socially. Many of the newer members of our church do not know about this episode, but if he walked into the church tomorrow, the members who knew and loved him so much would greet him and his family with hugs and joyfullness. And so would the pastor.
That's how church discipline is done at a church whose very name is Love and Truth.
Amen. Thank you for saying this, Kelli. Maybe the very words "church discipline" are unfortunate because they seem to conjure up misconceptions in the minds of people who don't understand. Joanne didn't use the term "church discipline" when she described her ideal model for handling problems in the church, but when she said
forming close relationships with other, selective, Christians and forming healthy friendships that include honesty with love, accountability and feedback when needed.she was basically describing the incident that happened at your church.
I don't understand why we see the word "discipline" and begin to bristle. There is a huge difference between correctly administered parental discipline and abuse which is disguised as discipline. Similarly, church "discipline" can be an effective, godly, and loving means of dealing with problems that arise within the fellowship or it can become a form of toxic Christianity that serves no higher purpose. But there is a difference.
Oh, and this is important:
I did mention Joanne's post specifically, but I wasn't meaning to single Joanne out with my last paragraph.
Also, I know that the analogy between parent/child and church/congregant is imperfect. I by no means meant to imply that adults in a church fellowship are like the pastor's "children."
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Good thing you're a honey-making bee!
You know, it took me a few minutes to get that! Too funny! ;)
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Can you believe that 239 people actually read this thread? Wow!!!! :p
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I think you could just use it in place of honey, which is what I use.
Yummmm!
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I know that quite a few people have stated similar feelings.
But I have to tell you guys that the old WTM board was probably the very last of those dinosaurs in existence. It was like the prototype of message boards, practically. I don't think you can find another board on the internet with that set up that would also be worth joining.
Now I agree that it was easy to see things at a glance, and it felt more intimate. It really felt like we were all in the same room as opposed to this big, new apartment building. Even so, you'll find your way around if you just give it a little time. If you go through some threads you'll find old friends and new ones too. I know it can seem a little overwhelming. If I hadn't spent any time on other, more modern boards I would feel the same way. But overall, I think this is the way to go. If you are still looking for something smaller and more intimate you could try a Yahoo group, but I really recommend that you give yourself a good shot at "getting" this new format. Ask questions if you need to, and you can always head down to the Q and A area, because nearly every question you have has already been asked.
Come on in, the water's fine!
(Plus, you get to use way cool things like this!)
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Elephant bladders. They are washable and biodegradable, doncha know!
Yeah, but Nan...
Where do you put the rest of the elephant after you take out the bladder?
And, I mean, do you have a good source for elephants in bulk?
I don't know....can I make something out of the trunk too?
You're a nut!!!
Oh, and Melissa,
I'm interested in this too.
This week we are using grocery store bags for trash. I've never used them exclusively before, so we're doing this on a trial basis. But if you end up springing for the biodegradable ones and you want to buy them in bulk and we'd get a good price, I might want to split them with you. Lemme know!
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Oh yes, do!
If I weren't so sleepy I'd try to think of something.
But I'll leave that to someone else who is feeling more clever and pithy tonight!:D
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And let's remember that doctors are bound by law to report any suspected cases of abuse, as are teachers and school nurses. So I think that some of them are just trying to take that added responsibility seriously because in the unlikely event that something is wrong, they won't be seen as negligent. At least I assume that's the reason they quiz kids about all manner of "academic" things.
Of course, the waitress at a local diner felt the need to quiz my kids when we were there eating breakfast on the morning that the public schools opened.
She's lucky that I found her to be amusing because otherwise...bang zoom!:mad:
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ITA about the doctors.
My second child was a preemie and her mouth was so tiny that she had trouble latching on. I thought she was getting enough, but she wasn't gaining weight properly and we got really worried. My pedi had me thinking she was failing to thrive, she gave me some wicked expensive stuff to add to my breastmilk to feed the baby in a bottle. She told me that my breastmilk was probably not rich enough and that I should have it tested for calories. She told me to supplement with formula because "at least we know how many calories are in it."
She had me going crazy. I had a teeny, tiny baby who wasn't growing properly.
But I also had an enormous boy who weighed 20 pounds by the time he was 5 months old, and he'd had nothing but my poor breastmilk.
One day I had to see a different doctor in the practice (I was just getting a weight check.) She said "Poor Bubbele, such a tiny mouth. Have you tried the other kind of bottle nipple?"
What was that?
Here I was thinking there was something wrong with me, my milk, my breasts, my baby and it was all about the nipple!!!!!!!!!!
We switched to a smaller, differently shaped bottle nipple, and she gained weight like gang busters. After another month or so I was able to stop pumping and she began to nurse directly from my breast because she had gotten bigger and stronger.
The things a pediatrician doesn't learn in med school!
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$175 for dairy/meat co-op.
$350 for regular groceries, including toilet paper, etc.
$ 75 for milk.
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$600 total
We buy cheese, eggs, beef, chicken and pork through the natural/organic/sustainably grown food co-op.
We get organic milk fresh from a local farm.
I buy everything else at the grocery store.
In the summer we belong to a CSA for (the majority of) our produce.
I try to buy organic as much as I can, but I emphasize the things that matter most. If I'm having an especially hard time keeping it all balanced, I just take comfort in knowing that we are drinking organic milk, eating organic cheese, cream, and eggs, and (mostly) organic meat. It's the best I can do.
We're a family of six, no pets.
Oh yeah, and I bake all of our bread using grain that I buy in bulk through a co-op.
I cook almost exclusively from scratch.
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I do believe that church discipline, when practiced correctly, is Biblical.
We don't, however know all the details of this story.
As others have said, if it is true, the pastor has some major ego problems to deal with.
This reminds me of something I read in a newspaper last fall. There was some Catholic church in the midwest where the priest fired the organist because she was selling lingerie and other "unmentionables" via one of those home party companies. He didn't think it was proper for a church representative to be selling things like that.
Uhhhhh......
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Yo, Melissa!
I don't think I've heard anything bad about Green Valley. Of course, I may be getting confused between the co-op and just the regular group. Or are they the same? Not sure.
My girls used to take dance classes (at a certain place, I can tell you where later) and there were two or three other homeschool families and they all knew each other through Green Valley. It sounded like they had a lot of good activities, and I really liked those women, sooooo......
I wish I could remember their last names, because I could try to find them for you. They were great.
Oh, and yes! I would love to get together again. This week is nutty, maybe we can try for next week? We'll pm/email!
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Mine went off during the offertory prayer and my ring tone was? "Well she's a brick...howwse..." It actually got to "she's mighty, mighty...just lettin' it all hang out..."
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This is my personal favorite:
Son: My poop is the same color as your hair.
Mom: I don't know about that.
Son: Then what color is your hair? Grey?
You have got to save that conversation on a computer file, or else print it out and stick it in his baby book, or something! Too funny!:D
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You know, that happened to me at a funeral.
A Russian Orthodox funeral.
And not during the wailing dirge period, but when everything was quiet.
And my phone had some crazy song that I can't remember as the ringer.
Oh, and I was very pregnant and had to try and find the phone while waddling to the back of the crowded church.
Ahhhh, good times!
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I did.
Next time, have you considered the fact that you have my personal email address, my mailing address, my home phone number and my cell phone number?
Geez-Loweeze, anj, you have many ways to reach me!:D
Ummm, I may even have your hubby's cell # around here someplace!
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That is all. :)
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I just watched it on youtube. Pretty amazing, she can still really rock the crowd!!
here's the link:
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:D I had a feeling I wasn't the only one who was like that!
Oh, and thanks for that quote. I love it. I may have to print it out!
Shocking! :pI hear you. I was playing with my new version of iMovie over the weekend and was editing video from 2001, when my ds who is turning 13 on March 2nd was 6 yo, and I was oohing and aahhing over his cute little voice and speech impediment. He was just embarrassed. :o
Fortunately NJ has a higher age requirement for driving or I'd be in Amy's shoes soon too.
The older I get the more time flies. Paul Janet, a French philosopher and writer, suggested that, “the apparent length of an interval at a given epoch of a man’s life is proportional to the total length of the life itself. A child of 10 feels a year as 1/10 of his whole life – a man of 50 as 1/50, the whole life meanwhile apparently preserving a constant length.†Yup.
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I have no idea what my Pediatrician thinks of homeschooling - which I guess means he at least doesn't strong object.
I'm not sure why I should really care what he thinks, though, as long as he doesn't harrass me about it. It's not really a pediatrician issue, in my opinion. I care about his views on health and safety. His views on homeschooling aren't really important to me, though obviously if he made himself obnoxious about it I would care about that.
Well the problem is that while you're right when you say it's not about health and safety, but.......
We live in a world in which the definitions of "health" and "safety" have been broadened like you wouldn't believe. And so the first pedi that I talked about took extensive notes when we talked about homeschooling. And when she asked my kids questions about their education, she took notes as well. I think that because we don't have a school nurse, and a guidance counselor, and a lunch room aide, etc., pediatricians may well feel that they are the checkers and the balancers for us.
Unfortunately in my state there have been a couple of incidents wherein so-called "homeschoolers" have abused their children and now I think that we're under closer scrutiny in some ways.
And so I think that some of us do care about our pedi's ideas on homeschooling because if they are against it, they might be more likely to report us when the second kid in our family breaks his arm or when the toddler seems underweight or when the 7 year old isn't reading yet, you know?
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We use a rather large practice, but I try to stick to just a couple of doctors when we go (which is very, very rare.)
The doctor that we've used since my oldest was born (he's 10 now) expressed a great deal of surprise when I told her I was going to homeschool. I'm sure I mentioned her here before. She asked me how I thought I'd be able to teach high school science, considering that she couldn't even help her dd's with their homework and she is a doctor. And then she'd quiz my kids. Oh, and she also scolded me when I told her I was having concerns about vaccinating the youngest.
So I stopped using her, and switched to another one who I thought would be more sympathetic.
He is much more supportive of homeschooling, but practically threatened me when I told him I didn't want to vax the youngest (at least not yet.) He tried to brush off all of my concerns and then said "Okay, well I'll let you go this time, but the next time you bring him for a well child visit, we will need to do it."
Ummmm, do you think I'm ever taking any kid back there for a well child visit? No honkin' way! But I've recently heard about another doctor, one who is pro homeschool, pro delayed vax (or no vax at all), and into natural/homeopathic cures. Woo hoo!!! So I'm planning to check that one out the next time I need a doctor. Oh, and he's family practice, which I think is better for us anyway.
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Stop it, stop it now. I used up all my tears last week when I had my period, now don't make me dredge up more. :(
(I have a 6 year old who is and always will be the baby. He's small for his age, has a cute little voice, and a speech impediment that I know we have to do something about, but it adds to his cuteness. How pathetic is that?)
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Joanne,
I'm sorry that you're having to deal with this. I do think that if any of the dc are troubled by what they saw, they should call their dad and tell him. Let's just hope that the images and messages won't take residence in their minds.
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I am almost afraid to ask, but am I the only person on here that just lets mother nature take care of the dog droppings? I never pick them up. Well, if one of the dogs leaves one on the dining room rug :rolleyes: I pick it up. Fortunately they don't do that very often.
Kelli,
In some places (like here) it is illegal to walk your dog and leave the er, um, droppings just laying around. If you let Fido go in your own backyard, it's fine to leave the work to mother nature, but if your dog goes on any other property you have to clean up after him.
Note: I had to yell at our neighbor's kid a few months ago. My kids were telling me that he was walking over here with his dog, letting the dog poop in our yard, then he'd go back next door to his own yard.
One day I looked out my kitchen window and wouldn't you know that dog was squatting right by my lilac bush! :eek:
I yelled out the window and boy and dog both ran off. I was planning to go over and say something to his parents since I'd witnessed it, but then I saw him come back with a Shop Rite bag and clean it up, so I just said "thank you."
Okay, back to the subject at hand!
I just found out that my mom dies of a massive heart attack about 2 hours ago.
in General Education Discussion Board
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Oh my. I am so very sorry. I'll be praying for all of you.