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I'm sorry that the end of year has been stressful, but glad it worked out in the end.
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Ikm glad that you received some hope. Praying for you & your family
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Spy Museum?
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My parents bough a lake house when my college kids were toddler/preschool age. It was bought to be a cousin camp even though there were no cousins yet; my sibling was a newlywed. My parents found a lake that was located a conveient distance between their house, my house and my sibling's house, all in different locations/states. Now, we can go for the weekend or my parents sometimes go for a day. It is where we spend Thanksgiving, July 4th, and numerous summer/fall weekends, so the cousins have time together. We relax there; we bond there. None of the families vacation there.I'm currently helping a client find a lake camp or cottage. Some place their family can gather to have fun, enjoy kayaking and fishing, and maybe catch some star watching time. It will be a cousin camp.
It sounds like a fun idea. I'm thinking it over....maybe someday. But, like many of you, we like going new and different places. On the other hand, it does cost a lot to fly and stay in hotels--even when you get a good deal. A lake house would draw everyone there instead...but we might have to have lake toys. That gets costly.
More to think over...
My parents have a boat and a canoe there; the same ones they had when I was a child. We have some of the same skis, but have added some along the way. We have a big raft-like thing to pull behind the boat. I replace this every few years with whatever is on clearance at the end of season. I add the next size of lifejackets the same way. We found a $140 paddleboard the same way. One of my kids used birthday money to buy a kayak. We have a lot of inherited fishing supplies.
It has been great. However, there are two issues on the horizon that are worrisome.
1. The house only has three bedrooms. All the cousins sleep on the floor/cot in a parent/grandparent bedroom or in a den with a pull-out couch & air mattres. It sorta works. Once upon a time, we could fit four kids on the pullout couch, but that doesn't work with teens/tweens. However, what happens when the kids start getting married. (My oldest graduates college this year, and her friends are starting to get married.) I guess we can start tent camping in the yard until they start having kids.
2. My parents are getting older. They have been able to go to the lake house to check on it regularly; to have work done on it whenever it was needed. I am not sure I will be able to do that once my parents are unable to do it since I still have kids at home. I live closer to the lake than my sibling.
P.S. I know many families, with kids college age and younger, who have a lake or beach or mountain home. They visit these homes on weekends and during the season most associated with the area. They also take vacations to other locations. One family, who bought a lake house last year, will be in Europe this summer at the same place my oldest is visting days later.
I only know of one family who has more than "vacation" home. Their homes are destination homes not nearby. One was inherited. One was bought; that one is used by extended family every Christmas.
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It sounds like the other 4 will be living in the apartment for the 2017-18 schoolyear. Is that right? (If they already lived in apt this schoolyear and will continue living there next year, then I wouldn't think your son has anything to worry about. Pay the rent to the other student and let him pay the rent as he has been paying.)
If it is a new rental situation, I can see asking to see lease and asking if your son can send rent directly to landlord.
My senior has lived in an off-campus apartment junior and senior year. She studied abroad spring term junior year, and she sublet her apartment to a friend who was returning from abroad. My daughter's lease said something like subletters had to be approved and put on the lease and this would cost $75. However, everytime my daughter called the apartment mgmt company to find out how to do this, she was told something different. She ended up doing nothing & there was no problem. Her lease was through the end of summer. She was interning out-of-state that summer, so she sublet her apartment for the summer to a different friend, who was moving into the same apartment complex in the fall and wanted to move closeby to make the fall move easier. Again, it worked fine. Of course, she lives in an area where all the apartments are leased to college students, so there may be a greater expectation/acceptance of subleasers by her landlord than the one your son is considering.
She had an extremely hard time finding a place to live for her summer internship that year in a place with lots of renters. She was looking at places on craiglist where she would live on someone's couch; I was not happy with that plan. In the end, the mom of one her roommates found them an apartment in a complex, where my daughter had been told that there were no apartments available by the apartment manager. The craziness of trying to find an apartment in that area is why she picked a different company to intern for rising-senior summer. She went with a company that provided apartments for the interns.
P.S. When she was talking about leasing an apartment for junior year, I was not a fan of the idea since she was only going to be on campus for less than half the year, studying abroad/interning the rest. I wanted her to stay in the dorm for fall, since she would not need to pay for the dorm for the rest of the year. She did not want to live on campus as a junior. Our compromise was I would pay for fall; she would pay for the rest if she did not find someone to sublet. It worked out for her. On the other hand,she did not try to find a subletter for this summer, since it will be easier to move to her new location from her apartment than from our home. She will be paying the rent this summer.
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Congrats to your son. I'd say good luck with finals, but it doesn't sound like he needs it.
I hope the transition to the university goes smoothly without any glitches.
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I'm sorry to hear this; it does make you wonder. I hope the finances of the college she wanted to attend worked out.
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Shutterfly has a coupon for 10 free cards today. it is on the website.
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You said she is asking you for help -- is she asking you for advice or is she asking you for money? It appears that she has been quite specific that she needs $400. Do you think she is telling you she needs money in the hope that you will give it to her, or do you think she is just worried and wants to talk with you about it?
I do not feel that she is asking for money. She is just worried/stressed over how to get that $400. I don't know that she is even necessarily thinks talking about the money will help, it is just what is on her mind. She does not have a plan for raising the money, but I have never gotten the vibe that she is hinting for money.
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I did this all the time while my husband was sick and for a few years after he died. I'm guessing it was stress and doing too many things at once. It eventually got better or went away. I think it happens some, but no clue the last time. Now, I'm going to think all night about when it last happened and whether it was just nouns.
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ugh it ate my reply.
Quick answer with no quotes. Thanks everyone for giving me a lot to think about. I appreciate the very different viewpoints; it helps me to figure out what I think as well as what I am capable of doing and what I am comfortable doing.
To quickly answer a few questions that were raised. She is worried about raising $400 to pay bills. I do not know exactly what those bills are, however, she specifically mentioned needing to pay the utility bills so she wouldn't lose her section 8 housing. I think the bills are not past due, but coming due. (However, when I wrote that I realized that is what her statement meant to me, but it could mean something else to someone accustomed to paying bills late.) One thing I am pretty sure of is that she and her husband/family lived in section 8 housing before his death, because I do not think it is possible to go through the process of qualifying for section 8 housing and finding/moving into an approved housing in the amount of time her husband has been dead.
I feel pretty confident that at least her husband had some type of health coverage. He was diagnosed with cancer in 2016, and she never mentioned bills from that when it would hhave been normal to do that. (We were talking about something related, and there were no awkward pauses, etc.)
I understand the concern about venting versus asking for help. I feel confident in my ability to tell she needs help and asking for it. I'm not as confident as to exactly what help she is asking for. In talking to a friend about this, she mentioned times when she simply wants to vent about an issue and her husband is automatically trying to solve it. In this case, my acquaintance has said things that are definitely past the venting line and into asking for help. I will be careful to not be "the guy" and try to determine what is a vent and what is a need for help on an issue/by/issue basis.
In a weird coincidence, I have another acquaintance whose husband died the same month as this newer acquaintance with two children basically the same age. I have been mainly an encougarer to her. I send her thinking of you texts. When she texts me that she is having a hard time/crying/not sleeping,etc, I text back whatever seems the right thing to say. I have offered help as in do you want me to bring your child home when I pickup mine at that event; do you need anything from store when I go in a few minutes; I want to provide dinner for you one night, would it be good to give it to you at x when we are both there, etc. I also send her notes about different things that have to be done or should be done or could be done after a spouse's death. For example, earlier this week, I asked if she would be interested in information on the grief resources/programs/camps my children have used. She was; I e-mailed her a list with dates and links and our experience with them.
With the new acquaintance, I put in a lot of qualifiers whenever I bring something up. For example, when she first mentioned not knowing what she was going to do to find the money she needed. I basically said, very gently do you have family you could move in with for a while. I didn't do that, but it would have made things so much easier to be able to leave younger kids at home asleep with relatives when the oldest had something to do/be at after the bedtime of younger ones. I took the money out of the conversation and made it a practical consideration. Unfortunately, she said there is no family.
When I brought up social security, I said I know all families are different, but are your kids eligible for social security because of your husband's death. The answer was yes they are eligible, but it is pending. I can't remember how long social security to start. It seems it could have been six/seven months, however, that might have just been, because of an unusual situation with my baby.
Thanks for the tip about section 8 being tied to income. Definitley will keep that in mind and investigate that more. Changing jobs also may not be the right thing now as she and her children are struggling/adjusting. She mentioned she was late to work the other day, because her youngest was having a real hard morning. A job who knows her and her situation may be just where she needs to be for now.
I am not comfortable giving her the money right now, because she is basically a stranger and I do not know how money would change things. (I will work my contacts/resources to help she does not lose her home or utilities.) On the other hand, I would feel fine giving money to my other acquaintance, because we have known her much longer.
Thanks again.
P.S. No one has to worry about the YMCA issue yet, because I don't know where she lives. The nearest Ys to where she work are about 30 minutes away and they are very different. One has after-school childcare, so it may be something to explore in the future if she lives in that direction. The other one is completely upscale recreation opportunities.
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She is not making ends meet. Her rent is covered by a housing voucher, but her utilities are not. If she does not pay utilities, she loses her voucher & housing. She mentioned needing for find $400. I am not sure what bills the needed money covers or when in the month they are due. She mentioned being stressed over money.
Thanks for the suggestions on things to look into. I had thought of grief camps, but I had not thought of scholarships to regular camps. One child may be old enough to watch the other, so I'm not sure she needs child-care assistance. I will ask her. I hate to overwhelm her with too-many questions. I had thought of health-care. My assumption is that is covered if she has assistance for housing, but I will definitely ask.
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I recently made a new acquaintance who is a young widow, like I was. I am in a potistion to be a sounding board/encourager for her. That I can do.
However, in talking to her, she has told me about money issues that are compounding her stress/grief. She isn't asking for money; she is just worried. She has no family/friends to help. She works as a clerk at a discount store. Section 8 pays her rent.
From first-hand experience, I know grief can cause tunnel vision. You don't think straight. It is hard to make decisions when you can't talk them through the pros/cons. So, in addition to being there for her, I also want to give her suggestions/options to consider. However, my socio-economic background is very different, and I don't want to be unrealistic in my suggestions.
So, I am looking for suggestions on how to encourage her without patronizing. I know I can't solve everything for her, but I want to help her if possible.
Besides listening, what should I do/suggest? If you have been in a hopeless economic situation, what advice did well-meaning, clueless friends give that drove you crazy? I want to avoid those things.
We live in an area where it is easy to find minimum-wage type jobs, so getting a second job would be an option. However, she has school-age kids, so working 24/7 is not an option.
If she wants help, I know people in organizations who provide assistance, training, etc ...at this point I'm not sure which one would be the right resource for someone in her exact situation. I am not at all familar with the government side of assitance.
Thank you for your advice.
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I am not going to repeat all the great advice you received about don't beat yourself up, find someone to talk to, stop wearing the fitbit, etc, because it sounds like you heard the advice.
I am going to try and give you a bit of hope for the wedding. In my grief, I have sometimes noticed the hardest times come before a big event/anniversary/trip/whatever my husband would have been a part of. However, when the actual big event happens, I am so focused on it, that I don't notice the grief (as much) even though it is obvious that he is missing. I have not had a child get married yet, but I have gone through four graduation ceremonies, if you count preschool. I also talked to a friend/another widow after her son's wedding, and she had the same experience. Your daughter's tribute to your husband sounds lovely. I have often wondered who will walk my daughters down the aisle, and I don't even have an engaged daughter, so more time wouldn't have helped with her decision. (Gentely, do you think she would like you to walk her down the aisle. That is an option that has popped into my mind over the years. I don't think it is right for every family, but it may be for yours.) Remember lots of moms cry at weddings, so it is okay if you cry -- even if it is not for the "normal" reasons.
Praying for you as you go through this wedding without your husband. I hope the normal wedding craziness kicks in and distracts you a bit for the next week.
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I must have done something wrong when filling out the FASFA last year. I filled it out for my upcoming senior first. She had earned a lot interning that summer, plus her tax forms showed her "making" the money her intern employer gave her to cover summer housing in Silicon Valley as well as her plane tickets. So, her EFC was about 4x what it was her senior year of high school, which was the last time I had filled out the FASFA.
Then I filled out the FASFA for my incoming freshman, who had about $2,000 in income from a part-time job. Somehow his EFC came out higher than the senior's EFC, and her EFC did not change. I don't know what I did wrong, but in reality it didn't matter for our family. My high schooler was going to go to the same school as my college student, so I knew my high schooler would get similar merit aid as his sister. I knew her cost had always been less than our EFC.
In reality, he ended up with even more merit aid. It cost me less than less than $2,000 to send him to college for the year. (That includes room, board, fees, everything that the college charges plus books. He has no transportation costs, since he rides with his sister.) That amount is less than 10 percent of his EFC.
For my senior, I paid the school even less. Then, I receive a rebate for the off campus meal plan, because she is exempt. So, the school gives me back everything I paid for her, plus the difference for the meal plan. I do pay for her apartment, which cost about $4,000 this year. She did not find a subleaser for the summer after graduation, because she wants to leave her things in her apartment for the summer. Her new employer is paying to move her belongings to her city, and she thinks it will be easier for the movers to pick up her things/furniture from the apartment than to move it all to our out-of-state house and move it from there eight weeks later. Last year, she found a subleaser for her study abroad semester and another for the summer term. So, the apartment cost $1,500 for her junior year. Food costs are a wash because of her allergies; she does not eat what the rest of the family does.
P.S. I liked the analogy. I remember the same feeling about what the bank said we could afford as newlyweds, straight out of college, looking for our house.
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IMO, you are mischaracterizing our statements in this thread, I made great pains to point out that admission to top grad school programs and jobs at the Cravaths/Goldmans/McKinseys/KKRs of the world were still possible coming from other schools, but that the odds were longer (in some cases much longer), and the path more difficult, with less flexibility (in terms of geographic reach/ability to change major or industry) or margin for error (higher grades required). I stand by those statements, and I would challenge anyone to refute them. That is not dream killing; it is facing reality with eyes wide open, and making an informed decision.
It is okay to disagree. Everyone has different experiences and different opinions; that is normal.
These are particular statements from this thread that make it seem to me like the author is saying one must have a degree from a top-ranked school to be hired by company X or in industry Y. The only possible exceptions mentioned are a genuis, a student with connections or a kid who gets lucky or UC or UNC graduates. I simply maintain that in my quick look there are more exceptions than these quotes would indicate. (It is a long quote, because I didn't alter anything from any of the six quotes.)
I'm a broken record but again, it depends what field you go into. In certain fields, it matters and it doesn't stop mattering regardless of what amazing career you proceed to have.That is not what I said. There are employers, in several industries, that hire from approx 5 schools. This is just the way it is.If you are doing amazing in career track Xa, but really want to move to career track Xb, you might get told, in the same interview, that you're both overqualified and undereducated.
You and I are clearly of different views on this, and throwing down anecdotes back and forth benefits no one. I post this view so it's not one of those "I didn't know one had to study for the SAT" things. What one does with the info is their business. It's not changing the way I guide my own child, for one. But I thought more information was a good thing.
I am going to echo madteaparty comments.Private equity hires from few selective MBA programs. So if a kid wants to work at one of those top private equity firms, sadly the name of the school one graduates from matters tremendously. I am sure somebody can find an example to contradict my statement, because there is always a genius out there that defies trends, but for people who aren't outliers, this is the reality.
I believe some management consulting firms and investment banks can also be very discriminatory in their hiring. Does that mean every industry is that way? No. Every profession? No. But some are.
if all you have is BA, then UG matters. If you managed to get an MBA from top 5 schools, then UG will not matter. The best combination is often a technical UG followed by top 5 MBA.Again, very few people will end up working in those companies relatively speaking, so this is not relevant to most of us, but if my kid were to tell me he wants to go work for Goldman after undergrad, I will look at the choice of school.
Outliers live by different rules for sure.
Again, there are always exceptions. I can see that from UCs, from UNc Chapel Hill, kids who have connections, kids who get lucky.Here is an articlehttp://news.efinancialcareers.com/us-en/218782/the-top-universities-for-the-analyst-class-for-2015-at-goldman-sachs-j-p-morgan-and-morgan-stanley/
I don't want to deal in absolutes here, but the odds are greatly diminished based on school.
Private equity is even more restrictive. Just pick a name and then look at people who work there. What you will often find is they all come from the same school. I know so many people who have tried to crack that market and failed with UC degrees. Many succeed for sure as well, but then again, we are speaking of trends.
If you scroll at the bottom of the article, it gives you 25 schools Goldman hired from in the us.
True, but it's similar for undergrads for those specific industry subgroups. At least in my group of friends that's been the case.Also, I think geography matters. When you live surrounded by Stanford and Berkeley, it's hard compete for jobs with those grads. Maybe not the case for jobs in Idaho.
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Yes, you will find so-called diversity among the ranks of the admitted, but your post actually proved my point. The size of the Cal State system cannot be understated; it is enormous. And, out of that entire system, SLS took one student from SDSU. What they don't show are the number from Swarthmore, Williams, and Amherst -- unimaginably tiny schools in comparison to the Cal State System. We probably had a good 80% of my class from T10 national universities and liberal arts colleges. And among the remaining 20% that went to the University of Hawaii or Georgia, almost all had 'traded up' via a prestigious post-UG fellowship or grad school program. Fully, 10% of my law school class already had their PhD upon admission. A lot of those folks are from UG programs outside of the top 10.
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I need to clear up some confusion, the Stanford Law School directory does say exactly how many students attended from each school, because it lists each student by name as well as his/her undergrad (and grad school) in the directory. To figure out how many went to a certain school you just have to search the school name, but then you need to double check that the hit is not for a faculty member or an advanced degree student. Also for some reason, they use initials for some schools in some class years and not others, so you will need to search some schools by multiple names and combine the results.
I only listed every school once no matter how many times it was listed, because I was showing how many schools were represented outside the top 30. Plus, it was quicker that way. (That is why those top-ranked schools are not listed at all.) I just went back and searched and only one undergrad hit for San Diego State; and two for Swarthmore. Amherst had 9; BYU had 7. Williams is a bad search term, since it is also a last name.
The current makeup of law students seems different from when you went; only four students are listed as having PhD's in the three classes combined. One is a Berkeley grad who has multiple degrees from Yale. One was a Colorado State grad with a PhD from Wisconsin. The other two went to Oregon State and Clemson for undergrad before attending Stanford for grad school. The majority of the students from outside the top 30 schools were not listed as attending any grad school. If they did, I put it next to their school name. If I recognized the undergrad school name as one I had previouly listed, I did not put a grad school down since another graduate of that undergrad school did not have grad school before attending law school. For some students Stanford listed a grad school degree and with others just a second school name was listed; I'm not sure what that meant, so I listed 2nd school name only unless it indicated PhD. Also, on the year I estimated how many came from outside the top schools, it looked like 80 percent came from top 30 schools not top 10. I promise it seemed every liberal arts school I looked up was ranked #12.
As far as I can remember, I can't think of any of my classmates at a T14 law school who attended undergrad outside the top-100, though surely there must have been some; almost all my friends attended top-50 undergrads. I didn't look, but the list of undergrads attended from Stanford above does not indicate what proportion of students were from each school; there are over 500 students in a class (aren't most schools on that list top-100?).
Again to clear up any confusion as well as answer your questions, I did not attempt to find proportions or percents simply to show that students were accepted from schools outside top 30. There seem to be about 200 students in a class at Stanford. I'd say most of the schools were top 100, however I know some were not. I didn't keep track. For a quick guide, I just now looked up the U of state schools. These are ranked outside top 100:
U of Alabama
U of Hawaii (had also studied at NYU)
University of Kansas
University of Illinois - Chicago
U of Mississippi
U of Missouri
U. of Nevada, Reno (just inside top 200)
U of North Carolina, Charlotte (just outside top 200)
University of Oklahoma
U of Utah
I remember from when I originally searched that William Jewell was outside the top 100 national liberal arts schools. I also remember that at least two schools were regionally ranked schools, but I don't remember which ones or if it was more than two.
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In a previous life, I was an editor, so whenever I read something stated as an absolute, my first inclination is to check it. In today’s world, checking absolute statements is simple. For all these careers/industries, I have simply typed in the name of my alma mater and x company and found someone working for that top company in y industry. Many times that person also has a grad/law degree from an Ivy league school or a similar top-name school, however, it was the education received from that top-100 school that got the student accepted into grad school with enough preparation to come out on the other side with a career at a top management consulting firm/private equity company/investment bank. In other cases, my alma mater was where the person working for x company in y industry received their graduate degree after an undergrad degree at a different school. I have found recent graduates as well as people higher up in these companies.
I am not trying to convince those of you who feel a top name school, either as an undergrad or as a grad student, is essential for going to X company, Y industry, Z grad school after graduation, when I respond to these posts. I have no problem with difference of opinions. I fully admit I am not surrounded by Ivy League or Stanford or Berkeley people, but I am surrounded by sucessful people.
So, when I post showing examples of people going to X company, Y industry and Z grad school from other schools, I do it for the student reading the board who wants that management consulting/private equity/you-name-it career or wants to attend the top-rated grad/law/medical school and was turned down for the top-name undergrad school. Or, the student was accepted, but can’t afford the top-name school as an undergrad. I don’t want that student to give up on a dream just because they read on a message board it was impossible to reach that dream from a non-name school. I have easily found people in all those companies/industries/schools from regular schools. So, I post for the mom researching for her highschooler who has these ambitions, but she knows the family cannot afford the "type of school" said to be necessary for these careers. I don’t want her to feel that her daughter/son will never reach these lofty career goals because these schools are not affordable for her family. (Yes, I know these schools offer aid to middle class families, but you don’t have to read here long to know that many families cannot afford their EFC.)
Someone mentioned that anyone offering an exception to the thought that you must go to a certain top-ranked college to work in Y industry is simply showing an outlier, and while I disagree with that assumption, I do agree that these students will need to work hard, make good grades, (possibly even go to grad school first) and interview well to be hired at X company or in Y industry. I'd even say they would need a bit of luck. Of course, I would say that also applies to students at name brand universities seeking to break into these companies/industries. As, Hoggirl mentioned only one rising senior from her son’s name-brand school was selected for this internship this year. (Congratulations to your son on being the one; that is a great accomplishment.) The same is true for Harvard, Yale, Princeton and ...
On a previous thread about this subject, the same argument was made that the management consulting firm McKinsey only hires from certain schools, with the University of Texas Dallas mentioned as a school the company does not hire from. So, I searched and found there were at least two recent UT Dallas graduates that were hired by McKinsey, at least one of whom interned for the management consulting firm prior to graduation. (The flu hit our home hard this year, and I never made it back to that thread to post this.) They both work for the McKinsey New York City office. Both have undergrad degrees from foreign universities and master’s degrees from UT Dallas; they do not have other degrees. The article is under the pictures. http://jindal.utdallas.edu/career-management-center/internship-stories/#7 In case you are curious this school is ranked 146.
I think that previous thread was about computer science, and while reading it, I had attempted to find an article about internships that I had previously read. Before I found what I wanted, I found a different article in Forbes on the 20 most prestigious internships for 2017. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffkauflin/2016/10/11/the-20-most-prestigious-internships-for-2017/#4e79dc2a3f95 Here is the list: 1. Google Inc. 2. Apple Inc. 3. Facebook, Inc. 4. Goldman Sachs & Co. 5. Microsoft Corporation 6. Tesla Motors, Inc. 7. J.P. Morgan 8. NIKE, Inc. 9. The Walt Disney Company 10. Morgan Stanley 11. Amazon.com, Inc. 12. PwC (PricewaterhouseCoopers) LLP 13. Twitter, Inc. 14. IBM 15. ESPN, Inc. 16. Deloitte LLP 17. Berkshire Hathaway Inc. 18. McKinsey & Company 19. The Boston Consulting Group, Inc. 20. Intel Corporation
From the companies on that list, my college senior interned at two, received internship offers at three, interviewed at six and turned down interview requests at two. (With all but one of the six companies on the list that she interviewed with, she went to the third or final round of interviews. She stopped the interview process with one of the companies when she accepted an internship from a different company that she preferred.) I simply post this to show exactly why I know students from Big State U can intern/work for prestigious companies. From what I understand, one of the companies has a reputation of only hiring from prestigious universities, but they asked my daughter to agree to be interviewed by a writer about what it was like to work for that company. My shy daughter said yes, because she wanted others from non-prestigious universities to know they have a shot at working for X company.
My daughter worked hard, made good (not perfect) grades, and practiced for phone interviews, which are her weakness. She also had some luck along the way. The Hive is in large part responsible for that luck. Almost exactly four years ago, my then high-school senior received an email informing her that she did not receive a big outside scholarship that she wanted. Instead, she was invited to interview for a summer program that the scholarship provider sponsored. I posted here asking if I should "make" her as practice for later interviews. She did not want to attend the program as the timing did not work well with her summer plans & school start date. It also would mean losing almost month worth of income from her two jobs. The vast majority of posters said to interview. She interviewed; she was selected for the program; and she decided to attend. She loved it. During the program, she became interested in working for a different type of company in a different part of the country than she had thought about earlier.
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A couple of things to keep in mind... things become more competitive each year. What it was like for very senior people is not necessarily representative of what it is like today.
UG degrees matter for very junior positions, but if you have a Harvard MBA, nobody cares that you went to CSUN for UG.
Senior people have connections, and they use them to help others. Sometimes that is to help a young alum from their own underrepresented alma mater, sometimes to help a relative or colleague's kid. Exceptions do happen. I don't think that anyone is saying that it is impossible.
But, I can tell you that in my law school class, we had one Cal State alum. One. Do you know how many Cal State students there are? The numbers are astonishing. Sure, maybe they all turned down Stanford for Yale that year, but I doubt it. Yet, we had 3 people admitted from my tiny liberal arts college (of less than 800 people in the entire school, at the time) in my year.
Ugh, for some reason this tablet eats my posts.
Basically, the schools I named at first were for the more junior positions listed on the website. Some of those Blackstone employees from non-name schools had graduate degrees and some did not. I listed the senior employees to show you could advance in privte equity with a degree from a less known school.
Since top law schools are also frequently mentioned as a place that require a top undergrad school for admittance, I looked up Stanford Law School. Do you know (at least) 67 schools outside the top 30 national universities and top 30 liberal arts schools have law students at Stanford right now? Many of them have more than one. Around 18 of these schools are in top 50. Of the remaining 50 schools, most are in the top 100 national universities. There are probably 10 represented that are outside the top 100 schools and another handful that are regional universities. I did not include the military academies or foreign universitSies in the list.
By my rough estimates, the class of 2017 has about a 1/3rd of the class from undergrad schools outside the top 30. About 20 percent of the class come from schools outside the top 50. (The names ran together too much to do the other classes in my head.)
Here are the list of schools with a student or students who are part of the 2017, 2018 or 2019 class at Stanford Law School. The school I recognized as California schools are at the end. I don't know much about California State schools, but there is at least one California school with state in the school.
American
Arizona State
Auburn
Brandies (in top 50)
Boston University (in top 50
Boston College (in top 50)
Boston University (in top 50)
Bucknell
BYU
Case Western (in top 50)
Clemson
Chapman
Colorado State (phd from Wisconsin)
Concordia College (had also studied at Georgetown)
Dickinson College
George Washington
Gongaza
Indiana
Kent State
Loyola Marymount
Mount Holyoke
New York University (in top 50)
Occidental
Ohio State
Oregon State
Pennsylvania State (#50)
Pitzer
Pratt Institute
Southern Methodist University
Spelman
St Olaf (had master's from Pace)
Trinity University
Tulane University (in top 50)
U of Alabama
U of Connecticut
U. of Florida
U of Georgia (had also studied at Oxford)
U of Hawaii (had also studied at NYU)
University of Kansas
University of Illinois ((in top 50)
University of Illinois - Chicago
U of Iowa
U of Maryland
U of Massachusetts
U of Miami (in top 50)
U of Mississippi
U of Missouri
U. of Nevada, Reno
U of North Carolina, Charlotte
University of Oklahoma
U of Pittsburgh
U of Rochester (in top 50)
University of Texas
U of Utah
U of Washington
U of Wisconsin (in top 50)
Villanova (# 50)
William and Mary (# 50)
William Jewell
San Diego State
UC Davis (ranked 44)
UC Irvine (ranked 39)
UCLA (ranked 31 and in California, so probably shoudn't be in this category)
UC Santa Barbara (ranked 37)
UC Santa Cruz
U of Redlands
U of San Diego (not UCSD
You can see the current classes and see where they went for undergraduate here. https://www-cdn.law.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/16-15602_C1__WhosWho.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwje68fP2qXTAhWI6SYKHdcDCDsQFggkMAE&usg=AFQjCNG0zt2rwoIiTEIjORpRCPzEY-mIMA&sig2=kNE_VZHfiLmZORgmBIQL9A
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I always wonder how they decide how much graduates of schools make. No one has ever asked me, which is good for my school, since I don't work currently. No one ever asked my husband when he was consulting. The way tha this business worked that information was not available anywhere. So, I am always confused when I read ROI articles about colleges. (For some reason the link would not open for me, so this is totally a random observation.
I have read that private equity firms and investment banks only hire from certain schools.
I have a friend whose son is graduating in finance from the same top 100 state university where my kids go. In talking to her, I know finance majors will be going to JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, Ernst & Young, Deloitte, PwC, in offices across the country. Others will be going to regional banks and to large companies across the country. I know she mentioned private equity, but I didn't remember if she mentioned a name/names.
So, I searched the school name and private equity, Blackstone Group was one that popped up. It had names/backgrounds for many employees, so I decided to read some bios.
I found many employees at the private equity firm The Blackstone Group who are not graduates of selectives MBA schools or super selective undergrad schools. Blackston is in the top 10 of every private equity list I see. It is easy to read check the educational background of many of their employees on this list: https://www.blackstone.com/the-firm/our-people
In a quick look, there are employees listed who graduated from Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Clemson, Dartmouth, Texas, SMU, Drexel, Utah, Ohio State, Illinois, Rider, Virginia Tech, Souhern Illinois, many different State University of New York, Mississippi, Michigan, NYU, Illinois, etc. Many have grad degrees from higher ranked schools, but many do not.
The Global Head of private Equity graduated from Georgetown; no graduate degree is listed. Many of the senior managing directors in private equity did not graduate from from US schools. Of those that did, Harvard, Yale,and Princeton have more than one graduate. The senior manager directors in private equity also have undergrad degrees from Virginia Tech, Northwestern, Georgetown, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Notre Dame, and some others that I forget. This group mainly has graduate degrees from ivy league schools, but not all.
The three operating partners in private equity graduated from RPI, California State Polytechnic University in Pomona, and University of Cincinatti. They have graduate degrees from Cornell & Harvard, Pepperdine and Central Michigan respectively.
One of my current high schoolers is interested in business and plans to go to the same school his siblings attend. He has never mentioned private equity as a career interest, but from what I read, I would feel comfortable with his school choice if he did decide that was his dream career. He definitley would not be the only state school grad at Blackstone Group if he did decide that was his interest. I had heard similar things about my oldest's major and it turned out not to be true for her.
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ugh I have a tablet now, and I am having trouble posting.
Have you seen this site, http://www.idsa.org/education/id-schools, where you can search industrial design colleges by state, accreditition, degree type, etc.
One not listed on the accredited list is Iowa State; I don't know if that is important for industrial design. I know an out-of-state homeschooler who recently received a good bit of merit aid from Iowa State, but not as a industrial design major. Don't rule out out-of-state schools. Check the list of schools with good merit aid. My state is known to be a good financial deal, but my kids go OOS for less than they could if they stayed in state.
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ugh. I lost my post. Congrats on your son's internship. Did your son look into whether his school had scholarships/grants for students doing internships in high COL areas? I know my kids' school has these.
There are weekend sailing jobs available in the DC area we had friends of the family that sailed there. Here are some jobs that seem like they will work with a weekend schedul. I remember from when my husband worked there that some areas have better public transportation than others, so some of these jobs may be too far from your son.
1st 2 have a deadline by tomorrow
http://gsicareers.com/752423.htm
http://boatingindc.com/about/careers/ (mentions weekend work specifically)
https://dcsail.org/American-Spirit-Crew
http://www.saildc.com/job-opportunities (can pick hours)
http://federalgovernmentjobs.us/jobs/Sailing-Instructor-467774800.html (weekend mentioned)
http://federalgovernmentjobs.us/jobs/Sailing-Instructor-467671200.html (weekend mentioned)
http://www.schoonerwoodwind.com/contact-us/employment/
I am sure there are others.
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wikipedia has a listing of colleges by state or at least for any state that I have ever searched. just search List of colleges and universities in (state name)
A search will work on google maps on a phone, however, something with a bigger screen may be easier to work with especially in an area with many schools. You will want to search college and university as some schools only come up with when the word in their school names is searched. Others come up either way. Some schools are named on the map and some just get a dot,that will display name if clicked.
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ugh. computer ate my post twice.
I think mac and cheese may be more populaof r if you will have a lot of kids at wedding.
Is there enough oven space at the church, so you can cook the mac and cheese during the wedding after preparing it ahead of time?
recipes
easy
http://www.theseasonedmom.com/what-were-eating-overnight-mac-and-cheese/
for a crowd
http://www.cdkitchen.com/recipes/recs/12/Macaroni_and_Cheese_for_a_Crowd51839.shtml
You could add meat to these...if that makes loaded.
If there is not a lot of oven space, what about mac and cheese cups? They wouldn't need as much warming ... roasters may even work.
Enjoy the wedding.
A church just dropped about 20 teens in my neighborhood
in The Chat Board
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Scarlett, you have handled answering questions well.
This isn't a big deal to me; I chalk it up to being part of society.
Of course, I admit I received the first (maybe second) LDS missionary visit of my life a few months ago. I know the JW visits I have had in my life are less than five. I don't think I have ever received visits from any other religion. So, this is barely on my radar.
We do get other visitors though, and we had a weird thing happen that stopped interaction with them for a while. Our front door broke; you could not open it at all. So, when someone came to the door selling something (or whatever), I simply looked through the side window and said, "I'm sorry. Our door doesn't work. It won't open. Good-bye." They all left without a sales pitch or whatever. Not a single person ever asked, "Well, how do you get in?" When a deputy came to the door, I explained the door was broken and invited him to the side of the house. (He was serving a subponea for me to appear as a grand jury witness.)
Another thought for anyone who does not like these visits, is to get one of the video doorbells. Some you can answer even if you are not an home.
P.S. My church offers a weeklong summer program at an apartment complex that is part of the area's free summer lunch program for kids. It is mainly inhabited by Spanish-speaking immigrants. During the outdoor program, activities and games are led by volunteers on the common space of the apartment complex. The program lasts for a couple of hours and ends when the lunches are delivered that day by other volunteers. In addition, there is a Bible lesson each day that is taught under the pavilion in Spanish by the Spanish-minister at our church. One day during last year's program a fellow volunteer, who is fluent in Spanish, was talking to three tween girls and she mentioned Jesus. The girls had no clue who she was talking about. She repeated her question in Spanish, and they still did not know who she was talking about. She asked about the day's Bible lesson, and they could answer her questions. (It had been an Old Testament lesson, so it was not about Jesus.)