greenmamato3 Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 would someone please help me understand what the role of all the progeny press guides, VP comprehension guides, PP lit study guides, {et al} are in the context of a child's language arts schematic? how many books/year is really reasonable to *study* intensely in this manner? is it really necessary if your kids are already avid & advanced readers {both of ours are} and seem to truly grasp everything you read aloud? how often within a week would a child use the PP/MP/VP guide if he or she is *also* carrying a full LA program of grammar, writing, copywork, and spelling? we only do real literature here. we read all the time. is it possible to do something more organic like "teaching the classics" and just discuss together? is there advantage to having a literal study guide to write and record responses to these questions? {i ask because it all quickly mounts up in price .... and the free ones on the internet are not usually to my liking} :confused: :bigear: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmamato3 Posted May 12, 2012 Author Share Posted May 12, 2012 anybody? maybe this is an overwhelming question to answer?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threedogfarm Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 Have you listened to SWB's lecture "What is Literary Analysis: When, Why and How Should I Teach It?"? It's on the Peace Hill Press website under audio lectures. I think that lecture will answer your questions. I also listened to her lectures on how to teach writing in the grammar grades and the middle grades. Her approach made sense to me and works really well with my children (who love to read). I was worried, like you, as to whether I should be doing in depth literary analysis. To make matters worse, I had all those books that you wrote about because my mother is a retired fourth grade teacher so I almost felt obligated to do that sort of literary analysis. After listening to her lecture I realized that I didn't need to keep those books. I hope this was helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2_girls_mommy Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 We followed WTM and haven't done that type of thing for 2nd and 4th grades. We will begin in 5th grade. We have done the occasional book club, free lit guide from the internet, and co-op class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloggermom Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 If you want literary analysis you can use CLE Reading. It works beautifully for this. If you want some good books for your kids to sink their teeth into and contemplate then I would do that separately and then let them discuss it with you without having to over-analyze them. This is our 2nd and 4th grade reading lists: Second Grade Wind in the Willows by Kenneth Grahame The Adventures of Robin Hood by Howard Pyle Five Children and It by Edith Nesbit Little House on the Prairie by Laura Ingalls Wilder Farmer Boy by Laura Ingalls Wilder The BFG by Roald Dahl Mr. Popper's Penguins by Richard and Florence Atwater James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl Charlie and the Chocolate Factory by Roald Dahl Heidi by Johanna Spyri Fourth Grade Little Women by Louisa May Alcott Little Men by Louisa May Alcott Eight Cousins by Louisa May Alcott The Borrowers by Mary Norton Rip Van Winkle by Washington Irving Paul Revere's Ride by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow The Legend of Sleepy Hollow by Washington Irving Around the World in 80 Days by Jules Verne Kidnapped by Robert Lois Stevenson The Hobbit by J.R.R. Tolkein Mary Poppins by P.L. Travers The Twenty-One Balloons by William Pene Dubois King Arthur and his Knights of the Round Table by Roger Lancelyn Green Robinson Crusoe by Daniel Defoe Call of the Wild by Jack London White Fang by Jack London Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmamato3 Posted May 12, 2012 Author Share Posted May 12, 2012 thanks, everyone. i have downloaded the lecture..... and appreciate the advice of others who are currently using a literature-study approach. anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Robyn Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 We started using the literature portion of K12 LA in third grade for my oldest (and plan to continue that with his brothers). Up until third grade, for us, the focus was first on learning how to read, then on building fluency and a love of reading. I chose the K12 materials because they systematically teach literary techniques such as similes and metaphors, perspective, genres, foreshadowing, etc. I have not used PP guides, but I have tried MBtP guides and one of Critical Thinking Company's Novel Thinking guides. The purpose of the guides I have used seems to be to provide vocabulary words and discussion/comprehension questions. Each of the types I used also ended with a writing assignment. The MBtP guides have some random grammar worksheets thrown in as well and fun worksheets and/or activities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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