LNC Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 I'm compiling a list for ancients next year. This will primarily be for my own self-education, but I'm anticipating my 7th grader will listen with me to several longer works and read several plays. I want to own these for their use in the future also. Teaching helps : WTM WEM Invitation to the Classics Heroes of the City of Man, Leithart online guides Epic of Gilgamesh (Ferry) Iliad/Odyssey (Fagles w/audio) Aeschylus, The Oresteia (Fagles) Herodotus, Histories (Strassler) Sophocles:Three Theban Plays (Fagles) Euripides:Bachae (Vellacott) Aristophanes: Birds (Moses Hadas) Plato, The Republic (Sterling/Scott) Aristotle Nichomachean Ethics (in Introduction to Aristotle, McKeon) Greek Lyrics, (Lattimore) Virgil Aeneid, (Fagles w/audio - that's why not Fitzgerald!) Plutarch's Lives - Greek Lives and Roman Lives (Waterfield) Athanasius, On the Introduction (want to find OOP w/ C.S. Lewis intro) Josephus:Essential Works (Maier) Eusebius: The Church History (Maier) 16 works but several are short plays. Is there anything you would change? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angela in ohio Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Here's my list, for comparison. We are also doing an intensive study of about half of the OT books, using Omnibus, A House for My Name, and Words of Delight, integrated with our Ancients studies. resources: WEM and WTM Heroes of the City of Man Omnibus I and IV Invitation to the Classics works: Epic of Gilgamesh Odyssey (Homer) Theban Trilogy (Sophocles) The Oresteia (Aeschylus) The Histories* (Herodotus) Medea, Bacchae (Euripides) Birds, Clouds (Aristophanes) Republic (Plato) Poetics (Aristotle) Archimedes (selected essays) Aeneid (Virgil) Lives (Plutarch) Metamorphoses (Ovid) Annals (Tacitus) I am planning to do the New Testaments books and early church history next year, so we will read your last three, but in Year 2. Ethics and the lyric poets were on my list, but were cut for room. I think those are great choices, though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNC Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) [) Metamorphoses (Ovid) Annals (Tacitus)QUOTE] I'm a bit weak on Rome, so I'll consider these. Which translation of Ovid are you using? We are primarily using TQ Ancient Egypt, Greece and Rome together with my 5th and 7th grader. They will read many of the adaptations on their own. I want to read the real works though! That is great you are making 2 volumes of Omnibus work for you instead of following their timetable. Edited January 18, 2011 by LNC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janice H Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Dd enjoyed Mandelbaum's translation of Metamorphoses. I read part of it. It received excellent Amazon reviews. If you get strapped for time, it is a book of stories which you can pick and choose from. I loved the story of Phaeton who talked his father into letting him drive the chariot--with disastrous results. Beautifully written/translated. I bought the Athanasius book w/C.S. Lewis intro a couple of years ago. It might be back in print b/c I saw it recently(?) at both Amazon and cbd.com. isbn of my book is 9780913836408. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNC Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 Dd enjoyed Mandelbaum's translation of Metamorphoses. I read part of it. It received excellent Amazon reviews. If you get strapped for time, it is a book of stories which you can pick and choose from. I loved the story of Phaeton who talked his father into letting him drive the chariot--with disastrous results. Beautifully written/translated. I bought the Athanasius book w/C.S. Lewis intro a couple of years ago. It might be back in print b/c I saw it recently(?) at both Amazon and cbd.com. isbn of my book is 9780913836408. Wow - thanks for that Ovid tranlation rec and the Athanasius/Lewis isbn#. I did not come across those in my Amazon searches. They are both on my wish list - thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angela in ohio Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 [)Metamorphoses (Ovid) Annals (Tacitus)QUOTE] I'm a bit weak on Rome, so I'll consider these. Which translation of Ovid are you using? We are primarily using TQ Ancient Egypt, Greece and Rome together with my 5th and 7th grader. They will read many of the adaptations on their own. I want to read the real works though! That is great you are making 2 volumes of Omnibus work for you instead of following their timetable. We're using this Ovid. It's recommended by Veritas, and I've seen it recommended by others in my research. I haven't bought our Tacitus or Plutarch yet, so those are still undecided. I have a copy of Plutarch's Lives from college, but it's very abbreviated, so we need a new one. We love the essays in Omnibus, but I wanted to use the WTM method (context papers, notes, essays) for the books. It's working very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariston Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I would personally add more Aristotle and Plato. Aristotle is difficult--I recommend Aristotle for Everybody by Mortimer Adler. Most of Aristotle you would probably want to read selections rather than in their entirety. Many of Plato's dialogues are very short and fun to read--I would definitely read more than the Republic (if you have the time.) Just as a comparison, here is the freshman year list from the school that I went to, which is supposed to be the most important works in Western thought. HOMER: Iliad, Odyssey AESCHYLUS: Agamemnon, Libation Bearers, Eumenides, Prometheus Bound SOPHOCLES: Oedipus Rex, Oedipus at Colonus, Antigone, Philoctetes, Ajax THUCYDIDES: Peloponnesian War EURIPIDES: Hippolytus, Bacchae HERODOTUS: Histories ARISTOPHANES: Clouds PLATO: Meno, Gorgias, Republic, Apology, Crito, Phaedo, Symposium, Parmenides, Theaetetus, Sophist, Timaeus, Phaedrus ARISTOTLE: Poetics, Physics, Metaphysics, Nicomachean Ethics, On Generation and Corruption, Politics, Parts of Animals, Generation of Animals EUCLID: Elements LUCRETIUS: On the Nature of Things PLUTARCH: Lycurgus, Solon NICOMACHUS: Arithmetic I don't remember Nicomachus at all--maybe it wasn't on the reading list when I went to school. Maybe it wasn't that memorable. :glare: hth, Elena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariston Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Also if you're interested in skipping sections of any of the longer works to just the 'most important' parts, here is a reading list: http://www.stjohnscollege.edu/academic/ANreadlist.shtml Obviously you can't go wrong reading everything in its entirety, but we are all of limited time and resources. :001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janice H Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 One additional thought-- I regret not leaving enough time for much Plutarch in dd's studies. An important life would be Plutarch's essay on Julius Caesar; it is apparently the major source Shakespeare used for his play. I recommend reading the biographical sketches as pairs, and I do like the Waterfield trans. on your list, as SWB recommended in WEM. From your library in an older edition of Lives or online you might be able to find several short essays Plutarch wrote, each of which compares two lives. They were reportedly written as writing exercises. Wikipedia and other places list the pairs of Greek-Roman lives if it's not given in the book you have. Wow - thanks for that Ovid tranlation rec and the Athanasius/Lewis isbn#. I did not come across those in my Amazon searches. They are both on my wish list - thanks! You are very welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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