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I have two sons who will be starting history following WTM in January. I want them to also be studying the Bible along with it and put the Bible events on the same timeline they will use for history and science. Currently I am just thinking of using The Victor Journey throught the Bible, the Bible itself and a couple of Bible timelines I have on hand. But I wanted to put this question out there and see what others have done, in case I might be missing something easier and more efficient. It would be great to have something to study the Bible along with WTM history where there was a two or four page spread to read with a box that had dates and captions to add to the timeline, like our history and science will have (we will be using Elemental Science Logic Stage Biology).
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I only got to read the first page of the other thread. It was gone before I could respond that I had read a poll indicating a clear split between those supporting said individual (blue collar workers) and those not supporting said individual (white collar workers). Several people were wondering where the support was coming from.
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I had been told by others who had had the surgery that I would be back to normal in 3 days. So I ended up being disappointed and thinking I was a wimp or not a good healer or something. When I saw my surgeon after one week, he thought I was recovering nicely and relatively quickly, which made me feel better. My experience was the the first week I was very tired and pretty useless compared to normal. It really took me a full two weeks and maybe even part of a third before I had all of my energy back and was feeling back to normal again (or actually better than normal because I had been in an extreme amount of pain and throwing up from the bad gall bladder before the surgery). I hope all goes well for you.
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Thanks for the responses. My intuition tells me it is too early for them and they need to mature another year or two. I am going to spend some time going through it myself and get deeper into it before I make a final decision but, from everything I have read and from your responses, it sounds like waiting is the way to go. I already have IEW's Ancient History which was my original plan for our next step. I may end up doing a mix of that with the WTM writing suggestions, or just forget IEW for a year and work on the WTM way with the goals of preparing for WWS.
Thanks again for your resonses/advice.
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For those of you who have used WWS1, how did it work out for the age/maturity of your child(ren)?
I have two sons; one turned 10 at the end of September and the other will turn 10 at the beginning of November. They did WWE 1 and 2 and part of 3. They did IEW Bible Heroes in 2nd grade, part of SWI-A in 3rd grade and we are part of the way through All Thing Fun and Fascinating. They are really mixed about writing, sometimes getting excited about it (they love the thesaurus) and other times a bit reluctant. Really, they tend to be reluctant to get started but, once they get into it, they are pretty good with it and sometimes are even excited about it.
I am trying to decide whether they are ready to start WWS1 or if I should wait another 6 months to a year. I think they could do it, although we might have to take it slower than normal, but will they get more out of it if we wait until they are older and more mature?
For those of you who have used this with your younger children, are you happy with the results or have you wished you had waited a little longer?
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Here is a link I found from an older thread: http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/358493-using-iew-across-the-curriculum/
This is exactly what I was looking for; thanks so much! I was focused on searching for WTM history rather than IEW across the curriculum. Thanks so much!
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One queen of the inside and one king of the outside at our house. Queen bee spends the night locked in our guest room, which is right across the hall from our bedroom. She doesn't make a peep when dh gets up and about because she knows he won't let her out yet. dh will normally feed king of the outside one small can of food and then he hangs around the front porch waiting for me to eventually give him another. Queen of the inside starts howling as soon as she hears movement from me or one of our sons and she continues until someone lets her out. She keeps howling until someone finally follows her to the laundry room where she receives her morning "treat" (she has dry food out all of the time but loves these Temptation treats). If I didn't give them to her, she will howl at me, trying to get me to follow her back to the laundry room, pretending she still has not received anything. She begs for these treats several times a day even though she knows she only gets them in the morning and the evening.
Then I feed King of the Outside his second can of food, clean all of his dishes from the night before, refresh his water and his dry food and take it all back outside for him. He is around 18 or 19 years old now and does not like cooler weather so, depending on the weather, I might have to move his food dishes around several times, depending on where he decides to settle down for his morning nap.
We go through all of this again in the evening. At times King of the Outside will scratch at the front door wanting in. He trots off to the master bathroom where I am expected to immediately put him up on the counter so he can get a drink out of the sink faucet. Sometimes he waits there expectantly until I put my hand under the water stream so he can drink out of my hand. He is pretty patient but he is also very persistent.
Queen of the Inside is not quite as demanding about things in general but she does have this thing about wanting out on the back porch, and then back in, and then back out, and then back in, etc. all. day. long. She has a very loud meow and will let you know very clearly when she wants in or out and she will keep at it until we pay attention and respond.
They keep me almost as busy as my two sons.
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If you are doing history and/or science the WTM way and you use IEW for teaching writing, can you tell me what a week looks like at your house for history / science and writing? I am planning for 5th grade starting in January for my two sons. Thanks!
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My two 4th grade sons are doing:
Bible Prophecy for Kids with Kay Arthur for Bible Study and AWANA for scripture memory
CLE Math (and some Math U See Gamma/Delta for review)
R&S English 4
IEW Writing and Spelling
TOG History, Literature, Church History/World View, Geography
Science in the Beginning
GSWLatin
Typing - using a typing book created by a Christian school that I happened to run across our local curricula resale shop
At our once-a-week co-op, they are taking:
Science Lab
Spanish 3
P.E.
One son takes Piano Lessons
Volleyball in the fall, basketball in winter and baseball in spring
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Don't they now sub like 4 different books for that one? I have that particular book and would sell it to you if I didn't have one more coming up to use it. I just organized, labeled, and shelved my tog y4 and y1 books 2 weeks ago, so I do know what you are speaking of. I haven't looked beyond that. Since it is UG, why don't you find encyclopedia articles or kids web pages about the countries? I'm sorry I'm not more help.
You were correct, thanks!
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Also, was there a dialectic book that may fit the topics? I've crossed over levels in order to use books that I presently own.
Good question, I will check that out. Thanks for your suggestions.
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I have been searching for a copy of the out of print book Countries of the Middle East by Cory Gunderson. The least expensive copy I have been able to find is from Amazon and it is about $50. This book starts in Year 4, week 28 and is used for 7 total weeks.
Anyone else run across this and found an appropriate substitute book?
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I used TOG with my oldest - the history, literature, poetics, some philosophy and government. I did my own thing for writing, she did literary essays, research essays, summaries and one large research paper. The discussions still started with the topics in TOG - we always added (we may like to talk / debate). She learned quickly that way how to support her opinions and thoughts with statements other than "because." So you could do that without tossing out the baby with the bathwater.
I'm planning on doing exactly that with my dialectic child. He'll either outline from Streams of Civilization or Kingfisher. (I'm favoring Kingfisher, but I have to plan the pages.) We'll skip the accountability and thinking questions, and I'll have him write from his outline. He will complete the history reading assignments as planned.
TOG's geography and TWTM seem to coordinate fairly well. I adore the literature worksheets at the dialectic level, so we'll do those. Each week we'll discuss history and literature together.
A couple years ago, one rhetoric son loved answering the questions while to other couldn't stand it. Instead he read the reading assignments before writing a paper on the topic of his choice. Both boys were happy and able to participate well in the weekly discussions.
Thank you both for the feedback. This definitely sounds like it could work well. The trick will be finding the right balance of work without burning us all out.
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alot I could ramble about but can be brief...
just keep in mind things will change when you get to your third cycle. The workload is heavy.
Thanks, yes, I know it will be very different for the third cycle. But for the second cycle I would like to find a balance between still enjoying the storyline that TOG puts together with their selections and the goals stated in WTM of learning to research, outline, and summarize. The hard part is finding the nice balance. Maybe it is alternating tasks every other week, or something like that. But I was hoping to find someone that is maybe already doing this type of thing. Thanks for your response though.
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In January I will have two 5th grader sons and we will be ready to start our second round of history, starting in ancients. I already have the first year of TOG but doing it the WTM way sure sounds great too. I would really like to mix the best of both ways but am wondering how that would work out. Is anyone already doing it that way?
I am thinking of using the reading from TOG, although sometimes I might trade out for something on the WTM list or mix them up a bit. I would like to have the discussions so we would need to use the accountability/thinking questions to prepare (maybe just thinking?) but I would like to follow WTM for outlining, summarizing and possibly writing facts, although that may end up being too much writing with the accountability/thinking questions. Both plans call for keeping a timeline and we will definitely do that and we would do map work, possibly from TOG....I have the geography coloring book but have not looked at mapping possibilities enough to decide which way to go on this.
If anyone is already doing something similar, I would love to hear how you are doing it and how it is working out for you.
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We have completed Alpha and Beta with my eldest daughter, age 9. She has dyscalculia and math is extremely difficult for her. MUS is incremental enough and slow enough that she has been pretty successful with it. At least as far as learning procedural math. Conceptual math is coming along muuuuuuuuch more slowly.
So...imo, you don't need the teacher's manual...just the DVD and student workbook. I have barely cracked the teachers manual for either level.
That said...if your boys have completed through grade 4, MUS alpha and beta are going to be way overkill for them. I get that you want them to see the way Steve presents place value, but I'm not sure I'd purchase an entire alpha and beta level just for that purpose.
Maybe the Beta level. Maybe. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but...doesn't Steve touch on place value in ALL levels of MUS? If so, you might want to start on Gamma level with multiplication, and continue to work on automatic recall of those addition facts.
If you really really want to go back to Alpha, I would probably see about finding a used copy of the DVDs and just go through it at a pretty good clip. Remember...Alpha level is entirely dedicated to single digit addition and subtraction. That's 30 (?) lessons of addition and subtraction...and he begins with adding 0, adding 1, adding 2, etc.
I used MUS as an introduction for my youngest two boys, and the littlest guy was rolling his eyes. "Mom...I KNOW how to add zero!"
That's funny. I have already warned them that it will seem babyish at first. I will probably go through it myself first and find the lessons that I think would do them good. I found used copies of the DVD's for alpha and beta so we are going to zip through them quickly but I think some of it may be good for review for them. If I think it is way too easy, I will skip them ahead.
Thanks so much for the advice. This has been very helpful.
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My two sons are 9.5 years old and are half way through CLE grade 4. I have decided to use Math U See to do some remediation/review with them and we are going to start with Alpha, as I have seen others do. For those who have been there, done that, will I need the teacher's manual or can I get by with just the DVD and printing worksheets from the website, since I am going back so far?
They do pretty well with addition and subtraction overall, but they do make silly mistakes here and there. They know their math facts pretty well, although I would not say they are 100% immediate on all of them.
I want to take them back to Alpha because I want them to see how he teaches it and I want them to see place value taught the Math U See way.
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Can you explain what difficulties you are having with using the pronunciation guide, and then I can maybe help you? As far as I remember, the guide tells you how to pronounce the individual letters, and you put them together to form the words. Latin is a highly phonetically regular language.
Let me know.
I am just find it much easier to repeat something I have heard. It makes me feel more confident that I am saying it correctly.
I found some websites though that have tons of Latin words on them and you can click on them to hear the pronunciation so I think we will be ok.
I will also take a second look at Lively Latin and see if it might help me a bit.
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Am I the only one who has a hard time figuring out correct pronunciation by just using the pronunciation guide in the front of the book? I bought the CD also and it arrived today but I am disappointed in it. It does not provide pronunciation for each new vocabulary word but rather for selected exercises that were meant to be read aloud. I thought it would be more like the pronunciation provided with GSWL where he provides it for each new vocabulary word. My confidence level for using Latin Prep just went out the window.
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I have not had any problems. I did one unit with paper and then moved to DE. I really like it. I had one laptop die, and when we had a new one up and running we just called them and they transferred the license without any issues. I, personally, find the pros of the DE outweigh the potential of a problem.
This was my experience as well.
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Thanks everyone for the feedback. This gives me some good places to start the ball rolling. Much appreciated.
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I have a 9.5 year old son who has always had an issue with fine motor skills, even after having been in occupational therapy for months and having "graduated" from that program. He has also always had an issue with his processing speed. He is very smart but is a slow thinker. It takes him a long time to do his math, although he normally misses less problems than his brother, who can finish much faster. He also takes a painfully long time to do flash cards (and any required writing - both the physical and mental part of writing).
I am concerned about how this could impact him long term and would like to understand more about his issues. Any advice on which way to begin the research would be greatly appreciated.
When doing WTM history, what Bible study have you used? (5th grade)
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Yep, we are starting back at ancients again. We are just finishing up the four year history cycle using SOTW and some TOG. We are going to do it the WTM way this time. We have used Bible Study Guide for All Ages before and I didn't really care for it that much, although I did like the timeline. I have looked at CLE and it is not what I am looking for so I suspect R&S would be similar but I will take a look at it. I haven't looked at VP for a while so I will look at it again. Thanks for the suggestions.
I wish there was something a little more simple like a 2 or 4 page spread to read with some dates and events to add to the timeline and then maybe some Bible verses or chapters to read along with it. Victor Journey Through the Bible, along with a timeline, may be the closest thing I can find like that though.