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Moroni is understood to have written the tablets, and then centuries later, as the Angel Moroni, he translated them for Smith. Mormons, am I remembering this right? Was Moroni understood to have been divinely inspired to write this scripture?
Close! LDS belief is that:
Prophets through hundreds of years of history wrote records of their people. Some of these were history, some divinely inspired scripture.
Mormon, and later his son Moroni, abridged these piles of records into a shorter record, being inspired as to what to include and/or write. Both men were prophets. That's why it's called The Book of Mormon--Mormon is the guy who put it all together. His son eventually buried the record.
In the 1820s, Moroni, now an angel, showed Joseph Smith where to find his book. Smith translated the book through divine means and then gave the original back. Moroni acted as a teacher to Smith, but did not do the translating.
Is that fairly clear?
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A couple of years ago I would have thought the list of Mormon doctrine in the Apologia post was full of anti-Mormon lies. Now I understand that they are all things that were once taught. Because I wasn't taught them in the modern LDS church, I believed them to be fictitious. Studying more in depth and less polished (LDS) church history has shown me otherwise.
I am also familiar with the early history of the LDS Church and the things that they used to say (I hope you're not saying that the other LDS folks here are all ignorant of their church's history). Happily, we have moved on and received greater light and truth and improved on some things. I think we could say that about many denominations--after all, Catholics and Protestants used to torture and kill each other, believing that a proper salvation was worth some physical pain, but few people would try to say that that history dictates current beliefs.
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The LDS church falls under the broad umbrella of Christianity, obviously. However, traditionally, Christianity has been considered to be a religion that is both monotheistic and Trinitarian. Mormons are neither those things. Some of my Mormon friends here in AZ consider themselves Christian anyway, but most other Christians would consider monotheism and trinitarianism as central and non-negotiable. That does not mean they hate Mormons, of course.
I can promise you that all of your Mormon friends consider themselves Christian. :001_smile: The way LDS people look at it, "Christian" means "follower of Christ the Savior." We can argue over other things, but that doesn't put us out of the Christian tent. And since no-one owns the word Christian, it's hard for me to believe that someone else gets to decide whether or not I qualify. :001_smile:
ETA: Crimson Wife, I'd love to discuss the Nicene Creed with you, but I have to be at church in 45 minutes and I'm only sitting at the computer in order to print out some church stuff...perhaps later today?
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Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I think the website is saying Mormons believe those things about Christians, not that Christians are calling Mormons those things? I don't understand, do Mormons call themselves Christians? If they identify as Christians, are they saying those things about themselves? I'm confused.
The website is claiming (wrongly) that Mormons believe those things about Christians (that is, everybody not Mormon). They also say that Mormons think they are Christians but are not.
In fact, LDS people are Christians. We believe in Jesus Christ as Savior. And we don't say all those things about anybody. I've never sat in church and heard those things.
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Feel free, Audrey--it's gonna be a long list, though! :p
I'm impressed at how they managed to get SO MUCH wrong. As Kermit the Frog said, "You know, that's amazing. You are 100% wrong. I mean, nothing you've said has been right." I'm another Mormon, and I agree with those above--we aren't taught this stuff.
Can I just say that it warms my heart to see all of you so vocally annoyed about this? :grouphug:
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I would expect to pay that for that amount of clothing. I wouldn't be happy about it, ;) but it's a perfectly reasonable amount to pay.
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I think a card will be fine. You don't have any obligation to give a gift ever.
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I don't think they gave us anything. That was fine; Ididn't expect them to. They did want to pay for the wedding flowers, which meant that we had to keep it to about $100. They didn't/don't have any money.
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Well,her life isn't that perfect;; shemight even have awful problems you don't want.Blogs arenot reflections of real life.
That said, I have an acquaintance/friend whose blog I stopped reading for my mental health. She's a nice person and has been through a lot, and I don't envy her. It was just this one thing--she likes to plan trips and vacations, which is nice,but she has a tendency to say "I really needed a break,so we took this trip!" About once a month. Look, by all means enjoy your vacations--just don't tell me you NEED them. I haven't been on a vacation with my husband in years! He hasn't had time off in like 7 years.
I am much happier if I don't see her posts, and she is much easier to like. So--don't look at blogs that make you feel bad, and don't think they're real anyway. Theyr'e more likemagazines.
Sorry about my typing. On a tablet and the space bar doesn't work right.
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Yes, I love the pan and etc. idea. It's personal and welcoming. Honestly, as MIL you should do something more personal than buying off a registry list. It doesn't have to cost money, but it does need to be loving and individual instead of checking off a list.
I love the idea of putting the mixer in the apt. with your son's collusion too. I would have been beyond thrilled to get a gently-used mixer like that!
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We get calls in Chinese; our last name sounds Chinese but is not. We are as white as can be. Just the other day I got a call for a survey "for people of Asian descent," and the girl was completely floored when I told her we aren't Asian. She didn't know what to do with me. :D
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Describe the book, mumto2, maybe we can figure it out!
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Happy Easter!
We had quite a nice service, all entirely Eastery, although for some reason we sang general Atonement hymns, not any of my favorite Easter hymns. Boo. Tonight there is this musical event program thingy, you know with a narrator and musical numbers and invite all your non-LDS friends. It's all very nice and my husband is the narrator, but we are learning about the difficulties that can arise when missionaries plan things. The program is at 7pm; nice. There is a rehearsal at 5.30, right about the time everyone sits down to a family feast on Easter. The kids are rehearsing at 6.30, so that's another trip. And of course we are all bringing snacks and desserts, without reference to the fact that most of us will already be overstuffed on Easter candy and ham. Ah, Mormon life. :D
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I would definitely suggest The Once and Future King, by T.H. White. I don't care at all for Arthurian legend, but honestly, this book is one of my top 10 all time favorite reads. I read it every 5 years or so. The writing is brilliant. And I find the story lines compelling and very human.
The first part of the book is Arthur's childhood (with Kay, and Merlin as tutor, and a whole bunch of other charming characters).
Yes, it's an amazing book. For clarification, The Sword in the Stone is the first part of The Once and Future King. The rest of TOFK is about Arthur as king.
There is an Arthurian wiki project called Quondam et Futurus, which means Once and Future, so I thought that was neat. The wiki is still very much under construction, though.
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I should add that there is a story about Merlin as a boy--Geoffrey of Monmouth has a whole elaborate tale about Merlin being a boy without a father (his mother conceived him by an incubus) who can divine the reason why a building project keeps falling down. It's because two dragons are under that spot of ground, fighting. Then Merlin launches into a whole book of prophecies that were a big hit at the time but no one reads them now. Like Nostradamus.
There isn't a lot of older material about Arthur's boyhood until it's time for the sword in the stone, except Kay is always rude. It's his main characteristic, all the way back to the oldest stories where his name is Cei.
But! You and your daughter would love T. H. White's classic The Sword in the Stone, which is all about Arthur's boyhood with Merlin as his tutor. It's wonderful.
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I haven't watched the show, but you're saying that Arthur is a prince at his father Uther's court, and Merlin is an apprentice and they are buddies? There would not be any old literature like that; in the story, Merlin is already a wizard when Arthur is born. Merlin spirits him away at birth and places him with a foster family, with Sir Ector as his father and Kay as his brother. Arthur does not find out that he's of royal birth until after Uther's death, when he accidentally performs the miracle of removing the sword from the stone and reveals himself as the true king.
Of course the stories evolved and changed over time, but that's the basic traditional plot. I've never seen a story that had Merlin and Arthur the same age, or Arthur growing up at Uther's court.
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So I should be glad I've never seen it, huh?
Haven't seen Ferris in years either...I should watch it!
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Well tagglelim, I can hardly think of a more terrifying thing than a suddenly-empty stroller at Disneyland! I don't blame you for screaming like a banshee!
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There was a lesson on the sacrament in one of the RS manuals a few years back (don't remember yet which) in which it talks about how the importance is in the spirit not neccessarily in the actual act of eating. ...
I agree, but OTOH neglecting to provide something for the Sacrament for a bunch of people in the congregation is not exactly fair. I'm fine with skipping every so often when it has to happen--no worries--but I'm not fine with that happening on a weekly basis when there is a simple solution.
I have not thought about Easter nearly enough. I love to do things for Holy Week! We have had some nice talks about Passover and how it works. (My kids were a little TOO surprised to hear that I've been to several Seders, clearly I need to do better. I even taught a Primary activity and put on a mini-Seder once, but they were tiny then.) Yesterday we should have done something for Palm Sunday but I was all taken up with the allergy junk. 12yo was wiped out for the rest of the day, but I did at least make sure she knew what it is.
Xuzi, I love your activity! Printing out now...
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Let us know how the talk went!
Today my 12yo had a bad reaction to the Sacrament bread. We are careful about it but this one got by us; luckily it was a pretty minor reaction and she was actually able to go to YW afterwards. She is now very tired and has planted herself on the couch with the TV remote and is watching My Little Pony (!). (She got a lesson: when you get a niggling little thought to go up and ask what the bread is today, do it and don't talk yourself out of it because you're embarrassed. Because she did get that thought, and she ignored it.)
Well, lately several people in our ward have gone gluten free. So I asked my friend, whose 12yo boy is gluten free, what they do. I had assumed that the gluten/celiac folks were doing a corn tortilla or something. Would you believe--nothing! The minorly intolerant people just eat the bread, the majorly intolerant skip it. :svengo: Well that is just silly. So we tackled the bishop, and are now on track for a real solution, something that will work for everyone who can't eat the bread. Can I just say, I cannot BELIEVE no one has addressed this before. There are like 10 people in our ward now I'm pretty sure.
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I think it is a nice idea, well-meant but definitely more tricky than you'd think. Usually at potlucks my allergic daughter only gets things that are very easy to figure out--fruit, bread, plain meat, etc.--or only what i've made. Anyway, I have made it a rule to always make sure that I am first in line to avoid cross-contamination. I would love to see a rule that people with dietary issues go first!
I don't like potlucks much. :001_smile:
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Lara, that video is hysterical! "Bang-y-bang-y!"
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Oh yes! I learned to sew beautiful clothes for my girls' AG dolls. I thought seriously about opening an etsy shop but decided I didn't have time. (I don't.) Mostly I do it for my friends' girls sometimes. I can sew a dress that is better than what you can buy, for less money. Though I'm not good at knits since I don't have a serger.
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Both my girls read them at 9. I would have liked to wait longer, but as it happens they weren't scarred at all.
The oldest is a bookworm and wanted to read the first one when she was 8. I knew that it would be cruel and unusual punishment to withhold half the series from her once she started, so I put her off for a while. There are lots of great books out there, after all. Then she read the entire LOTR trilogy without my knowledge, and, well, I figured after that the horse was out of the barn.
The younger was/is more of a reluctant reader, so I let her read the first ones when she wanted, about a year ago (maybe more). I knew she wouldn't want to read them all at once. She is nearly 10 now and only just read 5-7 a few weeks ago. She had already seen the LOTR movies by then. She wasn't thrilled with #6, and thought Harry was a pill in #5 (which he is, but justifiably! I think Harry's anger in 5 is very realistic).
Younger is a funny kid; she will happily watch orcs in LOTR, no problem. Old Star Trek or Doctor Who episodes with guys wrapped in bubble wrap or goofy rubber costumes terrify her.
Have you seen Apologia's blog that states LDS are not Christians? Thoughts?
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Well, you know where the Bible came from. :) The Bible is of course very important to us.
The Doctrine and Covenants is a collection of revelations given to Joseph Smith, plus a couple of others given to later prophets of the LDS Church. If we get new scripture, it goes in that book. Mormons believe that we need new revelation from time to time to keep us on the right track--that the heavens are not closed and Heavenly Father will guide us today as well as in the old days.
The Pearl of Great Price is a collection of this and that. Ancient scripture received or translated by Joseph Smith, his own account of what happened to him, and the Articles of Faith (which is as close as we get to having a creed; it's a summary of LDS beliefs).