Those are the ones. WTM Academy is also doing a set of online summer workshops and Andrew is one of the speakers. I'm planning to attend those too. To answer your question, my daughter has always loved writing. She just hated writing with a formula/rules/boundaries. I followed some advice on these boards from long ago and chose the most palatable boundaries for this writer. She doesn't love the structure of academic writing but LTOW, because of its outstanding invention teaching, has taught her that academic writing can be "creative" too. LTOW with NaNoWriMo and One Year Adventure Novel as her reward seems to be doing the trick.

I have the American Experience on my list. We probably won't hit DC until we're on our way back down...maybe late September.

X-posting this to get some recommendations for my 8th grader too. She loves to read and can handle high school content..... We finished the Renaissance in January and decided to go off the four year cycle to dive into American history now and over the summer. We'll be traveling the eastern seaboard to see many of the important sites. What are your favorite places to see/visit/tour? What were your favorite resources, movies and historical fiction books?

We finished the Renaissance in January and decided to go off the four year cycle to dive into American history now and over the summer. We'll be traveling the eastern seaboard to see many of the important sites. What are your favorite places to see/visit/tour? What were your favorite resources, movies and historical fiction books?

The Yahoo group is LTW Mentor.

Derek, if it's any consolation, my LTOW girl loathed WWS. She's a pretty easy going kid and a great writer. WWS was the only time she refused to do anything I n our entire homeschool career. I think the "wet blanket" thing depends largely on how it's taught. I don't have the newest version but if your wife watches the videos, listens to some of Andrew Kern's talks and gets a real feel for what LTOW is, she can help your son see the forest through the trees. For my daughter, that big picture changed everything. That said, it starts slow so your wife may want to adjust the scope and pace to hold your son's interest. Have you joined the Yahoo group? Andrew is on there frequently as are the Circe Academy instructors. It is a treasure trove of help and support. There are some recent threads on there that were so thought provoking, I printed them and had my kids read them.

This is interesting but I worry about him in an online class. I think I'd have to take it with him to make sure he stays on task and follows up on assignments. I'll take a look. Thank you!

This might work. I'll do a little more research. Thank you!

My 10yr old son has expressed an interest in learning Greek and Arabic. He'd like to be conversational in both languages. He's mature and can handle serious content but I would still want a program that's fun yet not too babyish. Any recommendations?

Wow,when I read this,I could feel myself saying, "Yeah, yeah, yeah...what she said, you #^#*%^%*#!" I would normally think and say something along those lines. My kids were in public school for two years before I pulled them out. Believe me, I've faced many a clueless teacher and fought for my kids. This was my first experience with tutors of any kind and I was stunned, just simply stunned that a PAID tutor wouldn't jump at the chance to teach engaging, thought provoking math to an eager, young girl. I guess I'm just spoiled by our resident group of AoPS cheerleaders, who also happen to be physicists, mathematicians, engineers, etc. Needless to say, I've learned now. I know the questions to ask and how to graciously get away from someone who doesn't support what we're doing. You'd think my in-laws, with all their false "concern for the children," would have taught me this already, but the lessons are new every day I guess.

The fact that I have no idea what you're talking about is another sure sign that I MUST outsource this course :lol: :lol:

That's my fear...."Mom, this makes sense because of ...." - and me standing there saying "ok, if you say so." Honestly, Geometry is the only thing that has made me wonder what on earth I was thinking when I decided to homeschool. I know it's doable. This conversation with these two teachers just really threw me. It's weird because, generally speaking, I'm not easily thrown. The good news is that, as of late last week, a couple of people here have reached out to me to offer tutoring and grading so I think we're in good shape now and my confidence is rising. :hurray: :hurray:

We do have a university. I've reached out to their math department. They're open to higher levels but Geometry didn't seem to light their sox on fire. I'm trying the CC now. Regarding the AoPS classes, at the pace they're offered, I don't think they would be a fit. But I like the idea of studying ahead of the class then taking it. That's an option. I'm probably overreacting anyway. I thought all of the AoPS books would be hard and she has breezed right through.

It scares me that these people taught kids for 9 years and 12 years respectively. That's hundreds of kids out in the world who were taught to do the bare minimum and strive for nothing more. And people challenge us as homeschoolers on whether we're "qualified" to teach our kids. I went to bed thinking that if that is how low the bar is, I think we're ok. I'm talking to go go gadget about tutoring. She's familiar with AoPS and that's half the battle. I'll keep a look out at libraries too. That's a great idea. I have to say though, I'd rather find someone here who knows AoPS. I'm gun shy on talking to any old math teacher/tutor after yesterday.

I am and I will. Thank you!!!

Ha!! Appropriate discussion topics for meetings could range from 😳😳😳 "What exactly is this? Let me go back in my memory to when Rick Springfield was on the radio and see if I can remember what the heck this is" to 😂😂😂😂 "You want me to grade what??" to 😡😡😡😡 "Isn't it enough that I've given up my life to homeschool you, do you also have to choose the hardest programs on the planet? Darn overachiever" to I think I will write to AoPS. Maybe one of their TAs would be willing to take it on for some extra cash. It's worth a try because I agree with you, if you don't know these books it's hard to help.

I wish dd was a 12 yr old with time to figure it out. We start high school for the first time next year and I can't help but hear the sound of tick tock, tick tock.....hence my panic.

WTM Academy has algebra, no geometry ....yetðŸ˜. We're considering the idea of doing an NT/CP detour next. Maybe by then, they'll have added geometry. Regarding the teacher, I agree. Yesterday's meeting really upset me. I've never felt so insecure and knocked off my game as I did yesterday. I was just absolutely stunned that I was even having that conversation with a teacher.....with a teacher!

I thought the same thing. Why no videos for the "hardest" text? And why classes at the speed of light? And why no virtual tutoring service? And when will the WTM Academy add geometry? And why is a mom who can't teach math having her daughter use the hardest math program on earth? So many questions.....

I agree. I still can't believe that a math teacher would dissuade a child from reaching higher. I would love a Hangout type situation. How would I find that? I have googled, called AoPS, asked on my local homeschool yahoo group for any online tutors. I haven't found anything yet. I appreciate the offer to help but I'm anticipating more than the occasional problem. I remember Regentrude posting about how her daughter worked through a proof for hours and she was able to help her work through the logic even though her dd's solution was different than the solution manual. That would NOT be possible here. I guess I could just have her work to the solution manual and call it good, but I feel like we'd be missing out on a lot of the benefits of proof work if we do it that way.

It seems like so many of us are in the same boat. I envy those that are not completely petrified of teaching higher math.

Huh, I hadn't thought of that option. She's doing the traditional bio (9), chem (10) and physics (11) sequence but I think her physics would be run of the mill, algebra-based. This might work. She likes NT. I'll ask her.

Nah, fiction writer. She's self published a novel already so I think it might stick. Oh, I know I can't grade it. I've pre read the book and I honestly wouldn't even know what to look for if her answers don't directly match the solutions manual. I was hoping to have a tutor do that part, but now I just don't know.

Ack! That's the problem. I won't be able to help her. But maybe she won't need my help. She likes hard. That's why we chose AoPS in the first place.

Not too expensive if we use it instead of a class. I'll take a look. Thanks.