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11 hours ago, Corraleno said:
Since some employee at the MS poison Center did not word one particular statement very well, we can safely assume that none of the rest of it is real, that nearly everyone who takes ivermectin has carefully weighed the data and is taking it under a doctor's supervision with no ill effects, and that those who claim otherwise are just close-minded and biased. Because that's way less uncomfortable than confronting the reality of what is happening in this country.
Your well-thought responses are helpful, but every time I read them, I can't help but be reminded of Brandolini's Law. "The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude larger than to produce it."
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India recently quit using ivermectin because it found - in actual clinical studies - that it made little to no difference in the treatment of Covid. Nor is ivermectin used in Japan (although people claim it is), although they have their conspiracy theorists there, too.
Another good article on how we got here from the BBC, and there are many others that can be found by googling.
John Campbell is not a doctor, and he does not treat Covid patients and never has. He also has a history of not correctly interpreting studies.
And my ICU/ER-based nurse family member states that roughly half of her Covid patients state that they self-treated with ivermectin. And it absolutely does delay people coming in for treatment (because they're waiting for that MirAclE recovery), meaning more-invasive & less-desirable treatment options must then be used.
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23 hours ago, Murphy101 said:
I am absolutely taking hospital numbers into account as that has been my biggest focus from the start. But also I can’t only do so much if I am the proverbial only one who cares about that. My husband could easily do his job from home but his entire company (that he JUST got hired at after his longest unemployment in 30 years) is not wfh friendly at all. As in, he has to test positive to work from home. Schools are completely open. None of these places even have mask policies here beyond shrugging and saying guess you can wear it if you are one of those paranoid people. But they do have policies for missing days that negatively affect families, many of which are already financially struggling after the last 2 years.
I hear you. Just so you know. my post was not directed to you (or anyone in particular).
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We're boostered and still cautious but also recognize that the infectiousness of Omicron brings a certain inevitability to it.
What I find more interesting is how few people (meaning average everyday public, outside of the healthcare scene) are really aware (or seem to care) how completely strung out and effed up the healthcare system is now (at least in US), and how it's likely to stay that way for a long time, and people don't take that into account when calculating their exposure risk (like the doctors/nurses keep asking us to). The Nat'l Guard is deployed to most of my state's hospitals and my relative who works in a very large hospital one state over says it's being openly talked about that the hospital may be in full-out collapse in another few weeks (due to being overrun + a critical lack of staffing), esp if a larger wave hits.
So I really hope Omicron results in no larger hospitalization waves and I am trying to limit our risk so that we don't need hospital care (for anything) until we're sure Omicron isn't making that scene worse.
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13 hours ago, Melissa in Australia said:
How evil
will they also deny treatment for fat people. The majority of people who die of Covid are overweight
will they deny treatment for smokers. Their health problems are self inflicted
will they deny treatment for people playing sport? That increases chance of hurting yourself greatly
I don’t agree that non-vaxxers should be shunted to the side for care but the comparison to fat people and smokers is one I see a lot and it really isn’t valid. There are no readily available, highly effective vaccines for obesity or smoking. Nor has either condition previously overwhelmed hospitals to the point where other people were unable to access care. Ditto for sports injuries.
No, non-vaxxees should not be left to die. But it is absolutely true that their intransigence to get vaccinated or take *any* precautions have led to the situation where *many* other people repeatedly cannot get the care they need, at least here in the States.
And I won’t even get into the situation in my state, where our hospital systems are literally collapsing, even with the National Guard deployed to nearly all of them. So many HCWs - including doctors - have left or are leaving that people in the field say it will be a decade before the system fully recovers. They’re telling people to drive carefully, because there’s no guarantee of a bed in the event of a serious accident. Surgeries to remove cancers, replace joints, and treat heart conditions are being delayed for weeks and sometimes months.
So it does beg the question…why do the non-vaxxed continue to have instant and constant priority over everyone else, all the time? Why is that fair?
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On 12/16/2021 at 9:57 PM, cjzimmer1 said:
I don't know what things are like currently in my state but about 15 years ago a friend of mine was trying to get into nursing school but she had to wait about 3 years to get in. Same story everywhere she looked, lots of candidates not enough space to teach them. When asked why they didn't expand the program she was always told they couldn't find enough qualified teachers. Not sure how you get more teachers without having more schooling options but that was how it was.
Pay for instructors is a huge issue as well. My nurse cousin tells me that instructors often make less than what they can make working, so of course that means fewer people are interested.
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18 hours ago, sassenach said:
I'm confused because I thought Biden's mandate for any organization that takes medicare/medicaid (so everyone) would trump all of the other mandates?
That mandate has been blocked (as of 11/30). And even the mandate allowed for religious exemptions, which most healthcare organizations accepted liberally anyway, often requiring nothing more than workers signing a form.
Meanwhile, my cousin's hospital has had 8 nurses resign in the last two weeks, and 3 physicians are leaving as well. Pretty grim survey results about physicians leaving the medical field. A lot of people don't realize that elective procedures, not Covid, are how many physicians earn a significant portion of their money. And when hospitals get overrun with Covid patients, elective procedures get kicked to the curb, sometimes for weeks or months. Top that off with skyrocketing amounts of abuse (& violence) from patients, public distrust and huge misinformation campaigns, constant profit-squeezing (since, you know, it makes sense to have health care systems run by entities devoted to increasing profits..../s), massive stress from constantly being short-staffed....well, the results are not too surprising.
The long term impacts of the pandemic in this country are going to include a whole lot less available health care for everyone.
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It isn't going to change anything, because the number of staff leaving over vaccine requirements (which are true, inflexible "requirements" in only a very few states) is far smaller than than the number of staff leaving due to burnout, entitled patients, and lack of public support.
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I'm very sorry.
As a side PSA, the Infectious Disease doc in my circle is saying that protection from Delta really requires 3-shots, ESP (!!) for anyone >60.
ETA: the messaging....all I can add here is that my own doctor's practice has stopped even TALKING about the Covid vaccine, due to the excessive number of times patients have (fill in the blank, really...........basically, become abusive/enraged/ranted/refused to back down, etc) have resulted in providers not being willing to engage around it. Instead, they have signs up all over the practice about the vaccine. But they won't mention it. (I know this because I asked my provider about it after my kids and I all had our annual checkups and the Covid vaccine topic was never asked/raised). So....definitely does not help the messaging. Not that I can really blame the providers. Our wonderful health care system has doctors on a 14-minute-per-visit schedule & they can't afford to waste the time.
ETA2: BTW, he says the actual CFR (Case Fatality Rate) of Delta for those over 60 (I think it was 60...he might have said 65) is 11%....and that includes the # of vaccinated breakthroughs, so the actual CFR for the unvaccinated in this age group is undoubtedly higher. (CFR is # of deaths/# of infections)
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15 hours ago, kbutton said:
Yep! It's maddening. Sometimes it's better--it really depends on the store and the crowd. Older crowds are more likely to be masked. But SW Ohio is notoriously oblivious if that's where you were (there isn't a lot in SE Ohio that would suggest "conference" to me).
Cincinnati.
The conference was related to health (healthy people, healthy agriculture, healthy planet). I just assumed that the crowd would be….fairly amenable to masking. Hoo boy, um……NO.
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10 minutes ago, KSera said:
I’m deeply saddened by the tens of thousands of people who have needlessly died as a result of the anti vax propaganda machine.
Actually, it's probably more like hundreds of thousands. The US has lost nearly 200,000 people since mid-June, the point at which vaccines were widely available for nearly everyone (in the US).
Separate topic: I was just at a work conference in southern OH. Maybe 5 of us were masked out of a crowd of ~200. Bars, restaurants....all full, no masks. OH hospitals being slammed. Yes, it's dystopian.
I left halfway through the day at the conference. I have too many hospital-based HCWs in my family/friends to not be angry over how they are being used & abused. Expected to keep working routine 60+-hour INTENSE-work weeks (all short-staffed) to take care of people who can't be bothered to give a shit. And these same people show up at the ER, disbelieving that they are actually REALLY sick, all wanting a miracle to be performed, almost all abusive with their magical incantations (of protocols, prayers, accusations, etc) when one isn't forthcoming.
But I do my best to not put energy into it anymore. All I know, with a steely-eyed determination, is that I will do everything possible to ensure that my family & I come out unharmed & fully healthy, long after this virus has disposed of & disabled a significant chunk of the human population.
(And, yes, I feel really bad for the vulnerable who can't do enough by themselves to fully protect themselves. But I don't know how to help them in this cluster-f*ck of a society.)
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19 minutes ago, Pen said:
I was happy for NZ early on. As you may remember from earlier in this long thread.
Now I am deeply saddened.
a cautionary note:another:
I'd like a specific citation for the Vandana quote, as I have read her extensively (& heard her speeches) and this type of quote is unlike her focus (I've never heard anything similar), and I was unable to find anything that attributed such to her with a solid google search. My guess is that it's internet bullshit, forwarded.
Likewise, there are many quotes that have been attributed to Thomas Jefferson which he never actually said. That's why it's necessary to supply a citation when directly quoting someone.
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Michigan is getting lots of Covid press now but I have family in Ohio and it’s rapidly turning into carnage there…OH had more than 9500 new cases yesterday (they’ve hit at or over 8,000/day for the past few days) and hospitalizations are the highest they’ve ever been.
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3 hours ago, Kassia said:
I had a terrible childhood filled with trauma. When people asked me how I was so "normal" I always said that raising my kids in a safe environment was what healed me. The shooting ripped that away - what my son experienced that day was way worse than anything I went through. And the ironic thing is we moved to this community because it was a safe place to raise kids. I don't think places like that exist anymore.
They exist. Just not in the United States.
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Merck's Covid-19 pill significantly less effective in new analysis
But there's still the Pfizer one.....
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You’ll never convince me that race didn’t play an enormous factor in this.
I can’t imagine a Black man ever being handed that light of a sentence for multiple rapes.
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On 11/21/2021 at 1:01 AM, TCB said:
Another consequence that the Covid denying people behaving in jerkish ways haven’t thought about. This whole thing would be a little easier to cope with if you felt like you had support from your community and that everyone was pulling together. I have never seriously considered leaving nursing before, but now it’s more a case of when not if. I just don’t quite have the gumption to do anything right now, so haven’t made a move, but I don’t know if I can take another surge.
The stories I’m hearing from my HCW extended family/contacts are almost unbelievable…. the amount of abuse (physical, verbal, emotional) being thrown at HCWs right now is INSANE. Much of it is from unvaxxed people* (or their family members) who end up needing the hospital. They are usually entitled and enraged. My cousin recently had a family member (of an admitted unvaxxed person) throw a phone at her head for a 20-min delay in delivering water (another patient was coding). She is routinely yelled at, demeaned, accused of everything nefarious, and told what she should be doing/giving/etc (BTW, she says about half of her patients admit to self-treating with ivermectin before ending up at the hospital**, so so much for the wonder drug….).
Staffing levels are truly dangerous almost everywhere (especially with nurses), more staff are constantly leaving or looking to leave, and so many nurses are traveling that there’s a dearth of experienced teams who know their hospital and how to work with their coworkers. From what I hear, you really want to avoid ending up in the hospital right now. I’m convinced our health care system is in the early stages of collapse.
And now we’re facing a fourth wave.
*The remaining abuse comes from the mentally ill population and just jerks in general.
**This also means that they delay coming to the hospital, which then means it’s too late for them to receive the antibodies when they do come. Which makes me wonder how much the new antiviral pills (which I believe are also time-sensitive) are gonna help these people.-
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3 hours ago, Carrie12345 said:
One tip for a thing to look for - how thin is a person spread?
At the beginning of this year, I was working with a well-known local realtor who is overall prominent in our community. We have overlapping social circles. She’s definitely considered “very good”. And I think she probably is, except she can’t devote the time I need to manage such an important transaction.
She was able to move fast on the one offer we had put in to buy, with lots of back and forth in under 36 hours. (We lost to a lower, all cash bid.) But my emails about other houses “must have gone to spam”. My texts about scheduling showings went unread for days in a RIGHT NOW market.So I tried a different, random agent. My criteria at the time was for the person/agency to not be the listing agent/agency for the houses I wanted to see. She got us into more houses in 2 meetings than the previous one had in several weeks.
Now we’re building and the first agent keeps hounding us for our near-futurelisting. But, in the same social conversations, has mentioned how behind she is with clients in multiple sectors of her business AND she just got elected for a community position. I need to know that someone is going to be on top of the second biggest financial transaction of our lives.
So we’re going with the second agent from a big name place who has shown us that she can give us all the attention we need.
This. With the hot housing market, it is not uncommon for top realtors to be overloaded. The ones with clarity (& a lot of integrity) will turn away clients when they reach that point (I literally just had a realtor turn us down, about a month ago, when we approached her about helping us in a very hot market); others will just continue to take on clients & under serve them. There can also be conflicts of interest if a realtor has too many clients bidding on the same house, but not every realtor will admit to that.
We went to a 2nd top realtor, who has been good, but I can tell he is borderline overwhelmed and service is spotty sometimes. An overwhelmed agent also means that potential buyers/buying agents for your house will be getting slower service, delayed return calls, possibly disorganized tracking, etc. So sometimes it's better to get a realtor who's a little hungrier, a little lower down that the top dogs, right now. Or at least find out what kind of actual DAILY help the realtor has from support staff.
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3 hours ago, Quill said:
Thank you for sharing this, however - and I’m no statistician - but this seems quite overstated. This method also seems unreliable:
The AAPM&R has developed a dashboard estimating long COVID-19 infections. The model assumes that 30 percent of people who recover from acute COVID-19 develop long COVID-19, but users can adjust estimates based on higher or lower percentages.
So they are estimating based on certain assumptions that may be faulty. Also, what are they including? Because, for example, I know several people who have not regained their sense of smell a few months later, but I would not call them victims of long covid.
Finally, I’m going with anecdote here, but I don’t know anyone, nor any friend-of-friend people who have serious long covid symptoms. I know there are a few members on this board who do and I’m not saying I doubt they exist, but if it’s 11 million Americans, I should know a few at least.
Im just saying…I think this article overstates the case. And I feel that *even though* I am 100% pro-vaccine and want to subdue this damn virus as soon as possible.
OTOH, several actual studies show that the percentage of long-haulers is between 20% - 35% of all those infected.The US has had ~46 million cases of Covid, so 11 million could well be accurate.
A recent study involving 2 million Covid patients found that 23% sought treatment a month or more after diagnosis. Another study (quoted at the bottom of this article) found that 33% of Covid patients who had never been hospitalized still continued to have long Covid symptoms. This study showed that 19% were affected. There are other studies as well, I'm just out of time to look them up.
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10 minutes ago, hjffkj said:
I would argue that the majority of people who create and act those laws and punishments are not in fact pro-life. They may identify as such but they aren't pro-life. They are anti-abortion, that is very different. A pro-life person cares about ALL human life, from conception to death. They not only care about their living status but also their quality of life. So, they also are strongly in social structures that help get people out of poverty, avoid hunger, have healthcare, and provide more stability in their lives.
I agree with you but I think few pro-life politicians (or many of the people who elect them) would.
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6 minutes ago, MercyA said:
Proud of my beliefs? I don't know about that. I think they're right, or I'd change them. 🙂
You could also call me an extremist when it comes to other firmly held beliefs. I'm pro-vax, anti-war, pro-animal rights, pro-BLM, pro-immigration, pro-universal healthcare...and the list goes on. I hope it's because I care about other living being's rights and don't want them to come to harm, not because I'm "proud to be an extremist." 🤷♀️
We’ll, the laws - with their extreme punishments - are reality. I’m not sure that your wide variety of beliefs (however well-intentioned) will matter to the women who suffer the effects of these laws.
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1 minute ago, MercyA said:
That is faulty logic. I've never been in support of the vigilante law in Texas.
I'm happy to be called extremist if opposing killing human beings makes me so.
Yes, most pro-lifers are quite proud of their extremism. Which is, again, how we end up with the stated laws.
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Just now, Plagefille said:
You know, people can just not have sex if they don't want to get pregnant. One possible consequence of sex is getting pregnant.
So both men and women will now be punished for abortions?
And please explain how your reasoning applies to rape and incest victims.
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Possible hospital closure- Updated: Hospital Closed
in The Chat Board
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I have several hospital-based HCWs in my extended circle of contacts. They are in different areas of the country and all are saying the same thing....the health care system in the US is critically injured, some say in the early stages of collapse. No, not everywhere, but enough everywhere that quality in-hospital care will be the next Holy Grail for many people in many places for at least several years. There are far, far too many highly-experienced hospital staff - nurses, doctors, techs, phlebotomists, CNAs, janitors, you name it - who have left (in one way or another.....including some of those who show up to work every day), there are too many departments in too many places that are dangerously understaffed, and there are way too many big, huge bills that will never be paid by people who ran up multi-million dollar hospital stays. Among other things.
I don't know what the answer is, all I know is that there isn't going to be one coming any time soon. Most unfortunately. And no, the hospitals won't tell you, right up until the day the announcement is made that closure is 3 weeks away.
I'm sorry, OP. That's scary.