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I think, for instance, that to say you're opposed to abortion but it's okay to gas or kill someone with an injection in prison is kind of hypocitical. Also, killing the enemy probably isn't what Jesus wants us to do, either. He just said to pray for them.
But, it's a tough call, sometimes. There are no easy answers. For ex, what if someone broke into my house and my girl was sleeping upstairs and the guy had a knife at my throat and was asking if anyone else was in the house? Technically I'm not suppose to lie, but I also don't want this nut to find out about my daughter upstairs. Legally you can stop someone with physical force if it's a home invasion. I might not be able to kill to protect myself, but I'm also responsible (and Love) my daughter. You see, that's a tough call.
And, the government that God places over us has a God-given right and obligation to meet out justice to serious offenders.
As far as abortion, I don't disagree that there is a real disconnect in our society. If abortion is wrong, then we're obligated to care for the families. Period. But, as the welfare system has proved over and over, the more support you provide, the more children born into poverty because the mothers know there's someone else to take care of them. So not only do we need to care for the families, you have to have some vehicle in place to try to teach these women some responsibility for their behavior(s)...if nothing else, for the childrens' sake.
Now to get back to your question, most churches, including my own, have programs and take up donations to help unwed mothers and babies, especially in my area because it's a poor area of the country. The drop-out rate at the schools is somewhere near 50%. And I don't know of any young moms who've been thrown out of their churches when they ended up in trouble, at least in my area. But it may happen in other places; don't know.
But, like I said, it's a tough call all around. I just do what I know God would want me to do and trust Him to make a way so that Good comes out of it in the long run.
Kim
I see that quite a few people are concerned and praying for a stranger who is pregnant. Will it end if she decides to keep the baby?Do any of you here in that other thread do anything to help these young mothers and their babies once they are actually born?
My aunt is the ONLY person I have ever met who is staunchly opposed to abortion AND does something for the mothers and their babies AFTER they are born.
I ask this question because I have had conversations with people who are opposed to abortions AND financial aid to unwed mothers.
Don't these people NEED foodstamps to keep their kids fed?
Far too often the unborn children are a priority but once they are born they are forgotten.
So I wonder if anyone here is like my aunt and puts their money, energy, or time where their mouth is.
Not being snarky - just curious to know.
I love my aunt dearly even though I am prochoice.
And I repect her because she works for her cause and doesn't just give voice to it.
She really helps the women who want to keep their babies but see no other choice.
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I wrote RR about it, because I only saw the books for the HGTA Drawing course. They said they would contact HGTA to see about providing the DVDs.
I got my DVDs from his site. Christian Book only selss the VHS tapes...so far...
Kim
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Hi all,
Just wanted to pass on what I believe is a real find! I just ordered a copy. It's gotten great reviews on Amazon. :tongue_smilie:
I read chapters off his website before the book went to print and it was fabulous. It's kind of the adult condensed version of IEW that so many like...only it's $7.38 off eBay from SmokyMt books. :) Can't wait until it arrives; I'll give you a review when I can and tell all.
Looks like it will be really useful for HS'ers.
ISBN: 0316014990
Kim
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Hi,
There are several sites out there, but here's a couple:
http://essayinfo.com/essays/persuasive_essay.php
A lot of the colleges have help pages out there. Here's just one:
http://www.rscc.cc.tn.us/owl&writingcenter/OWL/Types.html
I just search on "types of essays" in google, or the actual type of essay I'd like to try.
Also, I saw part of this book online and it was really great. I'd like to get a copy soon:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316014990/ref=pd_rvi_gw_1?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155
In case the link doesn't work, here's the isbn: 0316014990
Kim
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I know what you're saying, believe me. It's so much work building your own stuff. I've been doing it since she was 4. That's why I hoped so desperately for Omnibus to be "it" at our house. IT would have saved me gross amounts of time, ha!.
But, I keep building my history. I'm supposed to be working on it now but I'm goofing off for a few mins.
I'm not a strict Trivium kinda gal. We read everything under the sun, for ex; textbooks, scholarly writings and real books. We'll be reading Beowulf, Canterbury Tales, Shakespeare, some Pyle and Green books, Bishop's The Middle Ages, Miller's The Middle Ages, The Reformation put out by Cambridge, etc; in other words, a wide variety of books. Not too many textbooks for History, however; I looked through Spievogel, for ex, and I'm finding the same info in Bishop's and Hollister's Middle Ages, only written in a more interesting way. :) Don't get me wrong, I thought Spielvogel's History on Nazi Germany to be very good and we'll prob use it later. Oh, we read excerpts and if she really likes a book she finishes it on her own. I have to watch it or I'll overload her, myself. Can you tell I love history?
I have simply concentrated on weak areas for writing, and use writing in various subjects when I can. She'll run into it in college; at least I had to write in several different classes I took.
Next year, we will be boning up on the various types of essays she'll need to master for college, now that her organizational skills and grammar, spelling, etc are decent. (It was a bear to get her to show me a good outline, for ex, but she's finally bowed to pressure and managed to deliver some great papers this past year.)
There are tons of resources out there on the web that give you decent descriptions and tips on writing the various types of essays. I download, we discuss, she writes, and I send it back to the writer if it does't pass inspection ;). Her father is a very good writer and I'm...well, I did well enough to get A's in college. Between us, we handle it okay.
Frankly, one of the better Reading/literature analysis programs I've found is CLE's. We did their 700 level this past year and they covered lit analysis with critical thinking that I didn't see until college. The only downside was, although they used good short stories/decent lit, some of it I hadn't heard of and was hoping to see more well-known classics. However the program will make the child think. I was impressed. The LA is very good, also. It is workbook format, if that's a turnoff for you. But you should see the diagrams she can do--ugly beasts. Diagramming isn't on any college entry exam, but it proves that she knows her phrases and clauses and all the rest very well. ;).
I have a wall of classics that she reads over the summer and throughout the school year, in addition.
I know this might not be of much help. But that's what we do, here.
It's back to writing up my lessons on the various kings, nobles and what-not of the Middle Ages (with a lot of Church history mixed in...)
Oh, in HS, I plan to continue expanding on actual sources. For Am. History, for ex, we'll be reading Grant's memoirs, Franklin, Sherman, T. Jefferson, Davis' History of the Confederate States, etc. You get the picture...and somehow tie it into the rest of Western Civ.
Take care,
Kim
Titianmom (Kim),Thanks for your frank post - I appreciate it. I was wondering, what history/lit did you use for your dd in logic stage? My ideal would be that my dd read some of the great books and spend a good deal of time on essays & learn literary analysis (thought provoking, deep questions not just comprehension). But, I haven't the slightest idea how to teach the writing or lit analysis hence omnibus. I thought it might do what I'm looking for - but it looks like a lot for 8th grade. I don't want to take away her love for history... any thoughts or advice?
Thanks so much for your response
Sangita
dd(13), dd(11), dd(8), ds(5)
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The books they used were fine. I bought Eusebius for us to read next year in our Middle Ages study, for ex.
I guess when I say that the essays are unnec, I mean that if you bought the volumes they recommend (not all, but the ones you believe you can actually cover over a year of school) and come up with your own essays and questions, which IMHO aren't that tough if you read them together...well, you really don't need the Omnibus, IMO.
Of course this implies that you read the books along with the student(s). I read over the summer and I pick and choose, then I can discuss and assign writing as I wish. Works out well.
Depends of course on how much time you have and how much you love ta read... some of their selections we've already read (secondaries).
Take care,
Kim
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No it doesn't cover the history well at all. You have to teach history on the side.
Here's my response on the other thread:
I'm going to be honest and up front with you.
I bought it because I thought the "sample" on Veritas looked great; you know, the one for Genesis. My husband took a look at it, also (Pastor) and thought it was just what we were looking for, too.
I managed to get a copy to view, and boy, were we disappointed. I was really hoping that this is what we could use for the next 5 years (Omnibus series).
We read a couple of the essays and went over the questions that were asked at the end and all of that. I looked at the CD, also.
The CD is well laid out, no problems there. They give you a very nice timeline and a sched for reading the leasons. The book is thick and colorful with a nice layout. No problem with the quality...
Again, we read a few of the essays. One of the essays we read wasn't even very coherent (the one on Luther). IMO, most of the essays were unnec.
We understood what the theme of the book was trying to get at, and I understand the importance of sound doctrine, but I'm not a hardline Calvinist, and frankly I didn't agree with Luther's attitude toward a lot of things which this volume tried to justify.
So unless you're Calvin/Luther-follower, I wouldn't bother with this series. No offense to the Reformed out there; I love R.C., even have several of his books and a 2 tape series and have attended his conference on the Holiness of God, was with him 100%! (I realize he isn't the end-all of the Reformed movement, but he is a major rep.) But the book was way too much for the average 8th grader, IMHO, both in workload and attitude.
And to top it all off, you still have to teach the history on the side! No kid can complete that kind of load unless you work them for several hrs a day to get the rest of the curriculum load in, plus a language, for ex. Therefore, you won't use half the book, anyway.
I'm just explaining my strong thoughts on it that you won't find elsewhere. I had asked the forum, here, before I ever got a copy asking if it was worth the money. My short ans: No. You can take it for what it's worth. I quickly sold my copy.
Peace,
Kim
PS: My daughter is a very bright kid and a great writer (I wish I were as bright as she is) and she thanked me profusely that I didn't make her do Omnibus II.
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I'm going to be honest and up front with you.
I bought it because I thought the "sample" on Veritas looked great; you know, the one for Genesis. My husband took a look at it, also (Pastor) and thought it was just what we were looking for, too.
I managed to get a copy to view, and boy, were we disappointed. I was really hoping that this is what we could use for the next 5 years (Omnibus series).
We read a couple of the essays and went over the questions that were asked at the end and all of that. I looked at the CD, also.
The CD is well laid out, no problems there. They give you a very nice timeline and a sched for reading the leasons. The book is thick and colorful with a nice layout. No problem with the quality...
Again, we read a few of the essays. One of the essays we read wasn't even very coherent (the one on Luther). IMO, most of the essays were unnec.
We understood what the theme of the book was trying to get at, and I understand the importance of sound doctrine, but I'm not a hardline Calvinist, and frankly I didn't agree with Luther's attitude toward a lot of things which this volume tried to justify.
So unless you're Calvin/Luther-follower, I wouldn't bother with this series. No offense to the Reformed out there; I love R.C., even have several of his books and a 2 tape series and have attended his conference on the Holiness of God, was with him 100%! (I realize he isn't the end-all of the Reformed movement, but he is a major rep.) But the book was way too much for the average 8th grader, IMHO, both in workload and attitude.
And to top it all off, you still have to teach the history on the side! No kid can complete that kind of load unless you work them for several hrs a day to get the rest of the curriculum load in, plus a language, for ex. Therefore, you won't use half the book, anyway.
I'm just explaining my strong thoughts on it that you won't find elsewhere. I had asked the forum, here, before I ever got a copy asking if it was worth the money. My short ans: No. You can take it for what it's worth. I quickly sold my copy.
Peace,
Kim
PS: My daughter is a very bright kid and a great writer (I wish I were as bright as she is) and she thanked me profusely that I didn't make her do Omnibus II.
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Hi, I'm looking into SOS and Tell ME More...
Thanks,
Kim
SOS Spanish I and II are outstanding. We've had several testimonials about college credit after completing Spanish I and part of Spanish II. My own dd did the bulk of Spanish I, and then navigated college Spanish easily.HTH!
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AS of July 16 2009:
I contacted HGTA today about the following. I suspect Mr. Stebbing is aware of the problem and that's why the DVDs are only offered on his site? If he did a straight copy from the VHS, then the VHS will have these problems, as well. He's suppose to call me soon about it.
The menu on the DVD doesn't quite line up with the lessons in the book. For example, lesson 4 in the book will be found in lesson 6 in the DVD menu. Confusing, isn't it? I suspect the culprit is that he used the old books to make the videos a while ago before his newer, revised version of the books. His revisions obviously included re-ordering the lessons a bit.
Let's hope he gets this fixed, soon, as it reflects on the overall program. If he calls me and tells me that I'm not reading the menu correctly, I'll let you know, but it seems it should be pretty straight forward ;).
At any rate, we're still getting a lot out of the program, inspite of the glitch.
Kim
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Hi all,
Just thought I'd add this from a letter from Rosetta Stone. You can't even sell an unopened package. So you'd better make sure you like it within the 6 months return window. I didn't have that return guarantee 8 years ago.
“What if I have a new, unused, unopened copy of Rosetta Stone software? Can I sell it on eBay?â€
This would be an unauthorized sale in violation of our copyright, unless you are an authorized seller. (Rosetta)
So you are paying $300+ - $600+ for a license, not a software package/language program.
Take care,
Kim
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I think it's about 50/50, actually.
Rosetta didn't offer the info, and since I knew that people were reselling their stuff without any problems, I didn't ask.
Now I know to ask, since they won't volunteer the info. Lesson learned.
Their product is very expensive, and most families don't have the luxury of spending all that money on something that they can't get rid of in good conscience.
And since so many are reselling their language programs (I'd say most people do), then either they're doing it knowing full well that they aren't suppose to, or they simply don't know they can't resell.
That's why I posted this discussion.
It's up to the readers to decide what to do. There are a lot of homeschooling families that ignore copyright and licensing agreements, which doesn't bode well for the homeschooling community IMHO. BUt we're just a segment of the population that regularly ignores copyright and licensing agreements, so I guess it's to be expected.
Later,
Kim
PS: You'd think they'd print something in their manuals at least. I checked a box loading it (prob) but I can't find a copy of it in the system and it's been 8ish years. I scan some and others I don't scan thoroughly--they're pretty standard--as I load and I honestly can't remember what it said. Even Rosetta doesn't know what the agreements were back then, ha! I spoke to them myself.
They told me 2 falsehoods: 1--that used software won't run on other machines (not true as many homeschoolfamilies will attest to) 2--that all the other language programs out there also don't allow resale (not true as Tell Me More does, I called and spoke to their sales rep, not a newbie.)
At any rate, mine was the only listing taken off and there are about 50 of them out there as I type. And dozens and dozens more in completed items--all exactly like my listing; much the same wording, the same title and the same images. All moving along happily and unmolested by eBay, BSA or Rosetta. Go figure... I have a 100% rating, so it isn't like I'm a troublemaker or something. The eBay side of this is just incredibly bizarre IMO.
Honestly, it's illegal to resell many things that use software, although not all. You have to check the licence agreement. I knew about that policy when I bought Rosetta Stone. Did you ask them if you could resell it when you bought it?fwiw, we're adding a different grammar to go with our Rosetta Stone, even though we do have a workbook.
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It'll work on any computer. That's not the problem, here.
Kim
Is Rosetta Stone software one of those which "works" on only one computer, and is unable to be installed on subsequent computers? We have bought software products over the years which are "triggered" somehow to work, following installation, only once or twice.I don't use Rosetta Stone, with just one reason being its omission of grammar. (At that price, they should be ashamed of themselves for the weak product !)
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I don't agree with Rosetta's policy, but I'll abide by it because, legally, they can put any restrictions they want on their product(s).
I'm not trying to sound self-righteous, it's just that before God I can't become a law unto myself and do anything I want just because everyone else is doing it.
Ebay said that they do not screen everyone listing, and I was reported by someone outside of eBay to BSA, and UNDER LAW eBay is obligated to do what the vender has designated in their policy, which is to remove listings that violate their licensing, etc.
What I also disagree with as far as Rosetta goes is the rather underhanded way they handle policies. They don't tell you any of this when they sell their product...and frankly "sell" isn't the proper term IMO. If I don't really own it--meaning I can't do anything I want with it once I buy it--then they should be more up front with this and not bury it knee-deep in legaleese at the bottom of a long policy form on the website that they don't bother to point out.
OF course, if they did tell you this stuff you'd be hesitant to go and pay bookoo bucks for something you're stuck with, no? Thus the (what I feel is an) underhanded way to dealing with it.
I did what I felt was really my only recourse in this matter. To inform other homeschooling families that this is Rosetta's policy. What people choose to do with it is between them, Rosetta and whomever they believe is watching. :)
Take care all; I'm done and I'm ready to move on. Have a great homeschooling year!
Kim
Have you considered selling it locally at your hs group? We "trade" books and software locally all the time. Many of us aren't upgrading computers as frequently as companies wish we would (LOL), and so the older programs still work just fine.Ebay has put itself in the position of judge/jury on the ethicity of sale of merchandise under copyright law. If you use their service, you have to deal with that monitoring of your rights as a seller. Just try another venue.
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For grins I went out to eBay and did a search. There are dozens and dozens and dozens of illegal listings.
I think someone has it out for me or something. This is absurd. One package is exactly like mine that I was selling.
Go figure.
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I've written to Rosetta telling them politely what I thought of their wonderful policy. And I mentioned that other homeschooling families will probably be interested in their policy, as well (since they don't bother to tell you this up front, I figured I should help them out, you know?)
Kim
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Ebay jerked my listing and refuses to put it back.
Obviously it's legal, what they're doing...
So 449 people on the 4-sale posts are violating the law, according to eBay and Rosetta Stone and Business Software Assocs.
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I just think the entire thing is absurd and won't buy Rosetta. TMM is a good program so I'm going with it. I can sell it, use it for coasters, AND hang it in my garden! Once it's mine, it's mine! Which, IMHO, is the way it should be.
Kim
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It's a good program and less expensive than Rosetta, and you can sell it when you're through with it. You can't sell Rosetta.
Kim
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There are 449 illegal activities going on in the 4-sale section of this forum. All reselling their Rosetta Stone.
Hmmm.....
Should I join in this illegal activity?
Actually, I thought since my software was so old I'd check out my license agreement on the SW to see if it actually says I can't sell it.
For all I know, it's so old they didn't have that policy back then. ??
FYI, my hubby and I prob won't sell it. Couldn't in good conscience. :)
Kim
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And yes, you can sell theirs after you're done. Just as long as you clear it off your machine, they don't care what you do with it.
So that's fine that another poster bought Rosetta for 5 people, but you could have gotten TMM for less and could have sold it when you were done, and it's the same kind of program, basically.
It's Tell Me More for this house!
Kim
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Just adding a grammar on the side.
But it annoys me to no end that they sold this to me as a Homeschool version back then but it's inadequate for what we really need for learning Spanish. All that money out the window, and I can't sell it.
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I wrote Tell Me More to see if they're the same way. When I find out I'll post.
Kim
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Hi all,
Found out something painful today. I bought Rosetta Stone long ago before they added the Grammar lessons needed to make it a real HS program.
Anyway, I decided to sell it on eBay, and the software police (i.e., Business Software Assoc who does Rosetta), had eBay take my listing off, saying that I was violating a licensing agreement.
Keep in mind that my stuff was about 9 years old and not web-based at all.
So apparently folks, if you pay a ba-zillion dollars for Rosetta Stone, it's yours for life. You can use it for coffee coasters or as reflectors for your garden, but don't try to re-sell it after you're done with it or they'll come after you.
Why in the world would anyone pay $$$$$$ for a language program that they can't resell? That they're basically renting and will always belong to Rosetta Stone?
That's just plain nuts if you ask me!
Okay, I feel better. Just wanted to let you folks know that if you're re-selling your Rosetta, don't let them know about it because it's illegal.
I'm going to pour me some java and set it on my CDs, now. If I plant my veggie garden I'll hang 'em out there in the sun to keep the birds away...
Take care,
Kim
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Hi all,
Since I couldn't find *anything* on this program on the forum, I thought I'd post an honest review here for those considering an art program for Middle-HS kids.
What I bought: From the HGTA website, the HGTA bundle which includes both workbooks, pencils, eraser, sharpner, etc and the DVD set (4 1/2 hrs of lessons). This is considered a 2-year program, cost: $65.00
NOTE: You can get individual pieces on http://www.christianbook.com . Just search on Stebbing. The costs are a bit cheaper and it's nice that you can buy parts and pieces. You'll see why later.
DVDs: The DVD set is a copy of the older VHS tapes. These videos are not done professionally in a glitzy studio; it's pretty obvious. However, they are clear and easy to understand, the navigation on the DVDs is acceptable, and the lessons are thorough. So far I have no complaints and I'm glad I bought them.
Workbooks: The workbooks include a written description for each lesson and an area for you to practice in, but frankly you'll need a sketchpad to continue to practice. Practice is the key to learning how to draw, after all. There are some extra blank pages in the back for you to use, as well, plus a student exam. Also, there are cardstock sheets that have "starter" artwork that the student needs to complete on the cardstock sheets. FYI: You can buy these separately, I believe...if not at Christianbook, then certainly at HGTA.com.
The drawing "tools" are very good quality. I don't have any complaints on them.
This is what I've learned: I could have gotten away with just buying the DVDs or VHS tapes and some inexpensive sketchpads, since the videos cover exactly what's in the books. You can buy a packet of extra stockcard sheets from HGTA. I could have written my own exam using just the info on the tapes/DVDs. He even shows you the pages out of the book so you know what the project should turn out like. But, buy the workbooks, by all means, if you do a lot of your work in the car or at the doctor's office, for ex. They're good for review and doodling/practice and don't cost that much to begin with.
Another thought that I had was, watch DVDs/VHS for the first book's worth of lessons and just use the second book to re-inforce what you've learned at your leisure and not worry with the DVDs, making it a 1 year program. Wkbook 2 repeats the lessons only with different projects, so you could use the second wkbook any way you wanted to. Of course, you still have lessons for wkbook 2 on the DVD/VHS to view. Since so much about art is practice practice practice, I don't think it's a waste to buy both workbooks, except for a child who hates art and doesn't want to pursue Drawing....but I've never met a kid who hated art. :)
Pros:
Easy to understand and thorough. Interesting projects, IMHO, and the projects are nec to learn the various techniques.
Inexpensive compared to several others out there, especially if you bypass the bundle and buy just what you need.
Mr. Stebbing provides information on building a Portfolio for College, which I found very helpful. My daughter is now considering a career in the Arts because of the info provided in the Introduction. (She's not a bad little artist. Time will tell if she pursues this new line of thinking ;) ).
Cons:
The workbooks are bound vs spiral bound, now. As a lefty I find this really annoying, since they expect you to do practice inside the book. But that's the only complaint that I have.
As an adult I can appreciate the necessity of, say, learning to draw from memory by opening a refridgerator and studying the contents for 30 seconds, then drawing them. Your 12-yo may complain that they'd rather draw something else. Still, it's up to the teacher to help them understand the point of the lessons. Also, since I'm drawing along side my student, she seems to enjoy the competition and complements I give her, so I prob won't have any real problems getting her to do the assignments.
Overall, I give the course an "A". Sorry, I can't compare this course with any others, as this is my first art course. All I can say is, you'll pay for what you need and learn how to draw, without a lot of unnecessary (costly?) glitz. It's certainly good enough for more mature High Schoolers who don't need a lot of flashy stuff.
Hope this helps someone.
Kim
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Hi, I'll be using it this fall, possibly.
This series is a theology/lit/history series that has quite a bit of theology in it from a Reformed, trinitary worldview, so if you aren't Christian you'd prob have a tough time weeding out the Christianity. In fact, it prob has more theology in it than history, since you have to get a supplemental Western Civ book to do the history part.
Any other opinions?
Kim
timelines for History Odyssey
in K-8 Curriculum Board
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Easy Timeline Creator. I just loaded it and plan to play with it tonight...
I'll let you know what I think.
Kim